(01-10-2017, 12:39 PM)mat422 Wrote: "The razor" definitely seems like an INTP thing. What's interesting to me though is why you felt a need to repress this part of yourself. Would you say it was more fear based or just a general concern for the well being of others when you release it? I know some INTPs have a tendency to go off the deep end with this stuff and get so lost in the cold calculating logic part they lose a bit of their humanity and then have to regain that emotional balance again. Some of them are so far gone that they've taken to the security of being able to map out and predict the behavior of others as opposed to connecting on a human level. But that's really unhealthy INTP behavior. Anyway from the sound of it it seems like you're well developed at this point to integrate it back into your psyche.

(01-10-2017, 03:14 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: This happened before when I first started running AM6 for the first time. I broke my brand new phone. I knocked the mirror off my Mustang and I broke back window by putting the convertible top down while there was shit there. My mind was screaming for me to quit AM6. Just as it's screaming at me to quit DMSI. I'm close...

(01-10-2017, 02:54 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(01-10-2017, 12:39 PM)mat422 Wrote: "The razor" definitely seems like an INTP thing. What's interesting to me though is why you felt a need to repress this part of yourself. Would you say it was more fear based or just a general concern for the well being of others when you release it? I know some INTPs have a tendency to go off the deep end with this stuff and get so lost in the cold calculating logic part they lose a bit of their humanity and then have to regain that emotional balance again. Some of them are so far gone that they've taken to the security of being able to map out and predict the behavior of others as opposed to connecting on a human level. But that's really unhealthy INTP behavior. Anyway from the sound of it it seems like you're well developed at this point to integrate it back into your psyche.

The thing is, you're doing exactly what everyone else does. You're implying that we lack the ability to connect to another person "on a human level." But what does that even mean? If you're a sensor, your way of connecting with another person is vastly different than the way I connect to them as an intuitive. Whose to say which is more "human" than another?

The issue lies with the fact that there are far more sensors than there are intuitives, so much that the sensor manner of interacting with the world is often considered "the default," while we are considered "others." Thus, the fact that there's so many and because the sensors can't understand the way we think, they try to label as flawed, cold human beings. That there's something wrong with us that they need to fix.

This forces us to repress our natural state of being and try to operate as a sensor, which puts us under A LOT of stress because it's completely incompatible with how we think. And THAT'S when you see the really self-destructive and unhealthy INTP behavior come out.

I have had the misfortune of having two ISTJ bosses. I've literally avoided taking jobs that would probably assist with my plans of being a millionaire within 4 years simply because I typed my potential manager as an ISTJ. That's how incompatible we often are. ISTJ's don't live in the world of abstract like an INTP does. Our minds work like this: We see seemingly disparate pieces of data, and our job is to connect the dots and figure the underlying master pattern. Sensors don't work like that. To them, the underlying pattern is irrelevant -- maintaining the resulting structure is much more important. And they do that by upholding societal rules and processes, doing things as they always have been, because if those rules didn't work, we'd all be dead.

See the difference?

It's our inherent nature to question the status quo and push those boundaries. The razor is our process in which we do it. It is the will of the sensor to maintain the status quo. To us, it seems like society itself is constantly against us.

(01-11-2017, 06:27 AM)mat422 Wrote: I wasn't trying to imply any of that, probably just how it came out when I wrote it. I brought up the extreme of the INTPs because I know in some of them they avoid developing their weaker attributes by rationalizing the crap out of everything. By connecting more on a human level I meant letting the guard down, trusting the person, not seeing the person you're interacting with as a massive computer that responds to commands, stuff like that. And I barely even know you, so I'm not going to come in here and assume how your mind works or at what level of development you're at. I just brought up that example of the extreme to highlight the difference between an INTP that's learned to work on their weaknesses and one that hasn't. Obviously you're an example of an INTP that is working on your weaknesses because you're going through emotional healing. With that comes a stronger ability to connect with others on a deeper level that you desire to do so with.

Hell I'm the polar opposite of you. I need to learn to disengage from people more. When I encounter some asshole and how badly they treat me my immediate thoughts aren't how I'm going to tear them apart, it's what made them this way and why aren't they cognizant of it? It's draining being that connected to almost every stranger you interact with on a daily basis.

Btw, I'm also an intuitive so I know where you're coming from having to deal with sensors. But after talking about unhealthy INTPs it's only fair that you are given a chance to talk about my type which is INFP. If you want to, I'm here to grow to. Lord knows I've got my fair share of weaknesses that need to be worked on in the critical thinking department.

(01-11-2017, 07:35 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(01-11-2017, 06:27 AM)mat422 Wrote: I wasn't trying to imply any of that, probably just how it came out when I wrote it. I brought up the extreme of the INTPs because I know in some of them they avoid developing their weaker attributes by rationalizing the crap out of everything. By connecting more on a human level I meant letting the guard down, trusting the person, not seeing the person you're interacting with as a massive computer that responds to commands, stuff like that. And I barely even know you, so I'm not going to come in here and assume how your mind works or at what level of development you're at. I just brought up that example of the extreme to highlight the difference between an INTP that's learned to work on their weaknesses and one that hasn't. Obviously you're an example of an INTP that is working on your weaknesses because you're going through emotional healing. With that comes a stronger ability to connect with others on a deeper level that you desire to do so with.

Hell I'm the polar opposite of you. I need to learn to disengage from people more. When I encounter some asshole and how badly they treat me my immediate thoughts aren't how I'm going to tear them apart, it's what made them this way and why aren't they cognizant of it? It's draining being that connected to almost every stranger you interact with on a daily basis.

Btw, I'm also an intuitive so I know where you're coming from having to deal with sensors. But after talking about unhealthy INTPs it's only fair that you are given a chance to talk about my type which is INFP. If you want to, I'm here to grow to. Lord knows I've got my fair share of weaknesses that need to be worked on in the critical thinking department.

The point I'm trying to make is that the behavior you're describing is actually indicative of a healthy INTP. We function best as detached observers with a intense passion for what it is we're studying, and we have the means and the know-how to apply those theories to the world ourselves without outside intrusion. Shannon recently posted that he identifies as INTP-A. This is where he operates.

We function second best as mostly detached observers, picking up on deep, profound patterns and telling those patterns to a more "hands on" MBTI type to apply to the physical world. This is where I'm trying to operate. Making a number of business partners who are better than execution than I am, but I'm better at ideation, long-term vision and seeing the patterns.

We function worst when forced to "let our guard down," because it's simply not in our nature -- our very essence REQUIRES us to function as detached observers -- and "let people in." It simply doesn't work that way with us.

To me, you are indeed a massive computer that responds to various inputs. But to me, that isn't a bad thing. The way we acknowledge individuality is by understanding that, while you are a computer, your core components are much different than my core components, the commands you respond to are much different than what I'll respond to. Keeping that in mind, 100% recognize that you are a unique individual.

But you are a set of patterns, just like everyone else.

This whole concept of "working on weaknesses" is very foreign to me. My strategy is different -- I develop my weak attributes to the point of competency. In INTPs, it's how we process our feelings. Make no mistake, I can indeed connect to people emotionally. I have problems processing my OWN feelings. And because of that, I don't know how I feel about certain situations until in the heat of the moment, and I end up having a very violent reaction.

But anyway, I work on my weak attributes to the point that they can't be manipulated or abused. And then, I work on my strengths to the point that they are damn near invincible. For example, in boxing -- I'm a bit big. I have a lot of muscle and some body fat. I'm not going to be able to move my body as fast as the smaller people. However, I can punch fast as hell.

So... do I work on moving my body quicker (which means insane amounts of plyometrics so I can move massive amounts of mass around), or do I develop my hand speed, accuracy and timing so I can hit any target at will, even if they can move their body around quicker? I've chosen the latter. That, mixed with my ability to out-strategize most people, makes me quite the formidable fighter, without "focusing on my weaknesses."

In life and in business, instead of "focusing on your weaknesses," focus on your strengths and surround yourself with people that will help you with your weaknesses.

(01-11-2017, 07:46 AM)robstar Wrote: You could also focus on dropping body fat which will quicken your movement and allow you to compete in a lower weight class where you will be more effective. If you're wanting to go pro, having the ability to control your body fat at will is almost a necessity.

(01-11-2017, 07:35 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(01-11-2017, 06:27 AM)mat422 Wrote: I wasn't trying to imply any of that, probably just how it came out when I wrote it. I brought up the extreme of the INTPs because I know in some of them they avoid developing their weaker attributes by rationalizing the crap out of everything. By connecting more on a human level I meant letting the guard down, trusting the person, not seeing the person you're interacting with as a massive computer that responds to commands, stuff like that. And I barely even know you, so I'm not going to come in here and assume how your mind works or at what level of development you're at. I just brought up that example of the extreme to highlight the difference between an INTP that's learned to work on their weaknesses and one that hasn't. Obviously you're an example of an INTP that is working on your weaknesses because you're going through emotional healing. With that comes a stronger ability to connect with others on a deeper level that you desire to do so with.

Hell I'm the polar opposite of you. I need to learn to disengage from people more. When I encounter some asshole and how badly they treat me my immediate thoughts aren't how I'm going to tear them apart, it's what made them this way and why aren't they cognizant of it? It's draining being that connected to almost every stranger you interact with on a daily basis.

Btw, I'm also an intuitive so I know where you're coming from having to deal with sensors. But after talking about unhealthy INTPs it's only fair that you are given a chance to talk about my type which is INFP. If you want to, I'm here to grow to. Lord knows I've got my fair share of weaknesses that need to be worked on in the critical thinking department.

The point I'm trying to make is that the behavior you're describing is actually indicative of a healthy INTP. We function best as detached observers with a intense passion for what it is we're studying, and we have the means and the know-how to apply those theories to the world ourselves without outside intrusion. Shannon recently posted that he identifies as INTP-A. This is where he operates.

We function second best as mostly detached observers, picking up on deep, profound patterns and telling those patterns to a more "hands on" MBTI type to apply to the physical world. This is where I'm trying to operate. Making a number of business partners who are better than execution than I am, but I'm better at ideation, long-term vision and seeing the patterns.

We function worst when forced to "let our guard down," because it's simply not in our nature -- our very essence REQUIRES us to function as detached observers -- and "let people in." It simply doesn't work that way with us.

To me, you are indeed a massive computer that responds to various inputs. But to me, that isn't a bad thing. The way we acknowledge individuality is by understanding that, while you are a computer, your core components are much different than my core components, the commands you respond to are much different than what I'll respond to. Keeping that in mind, 100% recognize that you are a unique individual.

But you are a set of patterns, just like everyone else.

This whole concept of "working on weaknesses" is very foreign to me. My strategy is different -- I develop my weak attributes to the point of competency. In INTPs, it's how we process our feelings. Make no mistake, I can indeed connect to people emotionally. I have problems processing my OWN feelings. And because of that, I don't know how I feel about certain situations until in the heat of the moment, and I end up having a very violent reaction.

But anyway, I work on my weak attributes to the point that they can't be manipulated or abused. And then, I work on my strengths to the point that they are damn near invincible. For example, in boxing -- I'm a bit big. I have a lot of muscle and some body fat. I'm not going to be able to move my body as fast as the smaller people. However, I can punch fast as hell.

So... do I work on moving my body quicker (which means insane amounts of plyometrics so I can move massive amounts of mass around), or do I develop my hand speed, accuracy and timing so I can hit any target at will, even if they can move their body around quicker? I've chosen the latter. That, mixed with my ability to out-strategize most people, makes me quite the formidable fighter, without "focusing on my weaknesses."

In life and in business, instead of "focusing on your weaknesses," focus on your strengths and surround yourself with people that will help you with your weaknesses.