(04-17-2017, 01:36 PM)CatMan Wrote: I'm not expecting a woman to tell me she wants to bang outright, or some Axe Effect stuff. That's too much to expect from my situation ReeZox. Any kind of behaviour that is out of the norm for me, I would accept as external results. That's all. As long as it's clear, and out of the norm, I'm happy. I'm not expecting anything over the top, especially for the first sign.

Shannon, I've written off Version B all this time thinking at least healing and clearing would be good to do before the final version. Thinking that at the earliest, that would be the time I'd see something in reality. Even though at times I've wondered if I get bogged down in healing and clearing almost exclusively, and that the attraction stuff doesn't fire. I haven't felt NEARLY the awful stuff earlier versions have done, this version has been super SUPER smooth to run, surprisingly. And I wanted to try to give actionable info for Version A, thinking that was important. I'm surprised you want me to try B. I already finished today's loops an hour or so ago. I'll think about it for tomorrow then. I figured Version B would be a waste of time for me, and I didn't want to derail anything like you said before, but I'll think about it now. And I guess I find the body language stuff so easy to misdiagnose, and WANTING the girl to like me, can colour the lense so to speak. I've had girls do that stuff to me, and then only get rejected often enough to not put much faith in it. Great for those who get success from it, but for me it's been YMMV.

I'll seriously think about Version B now.

(04-17-2017, 01:40 PM)cataleya Wrote: Shannon, could you perhaps reccommend some books on reading body language?

(04-17-2017, 09:20 AM)CatMan Wrote: Things are the same, 47 days of Version A now. Some dreams etc., nothing in real life to back it all up. T is still acting the same, often distant and difficult to talk to for some strange reason compared to before DMSI. It feels usually like a struggle to talk to her and like I'm forcing the interaction, so I don't and the interactions are short and surface level, pretty hard for anything to happen then. Which is frustrating because before DMSI, she was amazing. Now it's so weird how she is, it's been a massive downgrade, she was my #1 target, so this kind of situation as a result of using DMSI is annoying to say the least, it's been a reversal of results, figures. The other girls are good, but the same as before. Nothing stands out as a clear positive signal of something happening or different since starting. I read some updates and wonder if we're listening to the same sub.

I still can't tell if I've simply just finally given up on the girl thing ever happening, and just tuning them out now. Or if I've just given up on the sub ever working, or if it's the sub causing the detached IDGAF I've felt for a long time now. I still have no idea. I figure if it was the sub causing it, then it would be doing something in reality as well by now, and that hasn't been the case, so I lean to one of the others. It still seems far fetched for it to work too, it still seems to be out of my "current reality". Not sure when it ever will be in my reality, it still seems over the top.

I haven't really had a need to update with anything, and don't like updating like this as I find it starts things I have no interest in, so I haven't. Basically, I'm still waiting for that one instance where a girl does something I can honestly say she wouldn't have done before, proving it's finally working.

Thanks again for asking about me, I appreciate it. I hope all is well with you.

(04-17-2017, 05:23 PM)Duke.Togo Wrote: Wolverine broke the time and space continuum with a double like on Chaos's post. Interestingly enough it happened on Catman's blog, the first man to break the time and space continuum with his double likes.

The world may never be the same again.

(04-06-2017, 12:42 PM)CatMan Wrote: Thanks Duke. I'll keep pressing forward we'll see what happens. I guess they need to have something to be attracted TO in order for this to work, so internal stuff seems sensible to be at the forefront to start things off. Maybe in time the rest can follow suit externally to back it all up.

Hi MD81. To be honest, aside from sub-induced daydreams or dreams, I haven't seriously entertained the idea of actually having sex with any of the girls around me. It always seemed like teasing myself, given my starting point and skills with women in reality. Now, I view it as still being a bit difficult to really, fully, conceptualise actually happening, as it is so far removed from my current reality, as Shannon has said before. I suppose in time it may be easier once that changes if DMSI final punches through for me, or perhaps an earlier version. But also, I didn't want to daydream about how it SHOULD or COULD go down, because that may cause disappointment when I or she don't live up to some preconceived fantasy, you know? I want it to be natural, and chill, not a fantasy at all as a man who is desired by women would not need to initiate fantasy about being with women. It's just the norm, you know? Plus, that takes all the pressure and expectation off me and her, so it can just happen how it happens. And yes, I fully understand sex can be immediate, given the right circumstances. Not for me...I've never experienced it, but I know for a fact it's possible for other men to get with women quickly, 100%. I don't think that's something I'd feel comfortable doing so early, but I know it's possible for others. I've had long term issues with rejection and not getting any momentum with girls, so I'm a bit behind on things. But that doesn't mean I'm arrogant and think if it's true for me it is for everyone. I've known a lot of the "bad boy" types that have zero issues with women, even FWB or quick sex within meeting them. Was just something I never was able to do. And on that girl with the kid who is one of, if not THE, hottest girl I've ever seen, I wouldn't want to just have sex with her like that. She's already been treated as Shannon says "a masturbation sleeve" often enough, I don't want to do that. And I don't have such "NEED" anymore, I'm still attracted to her, but it isn't the "Unh! I'm so horny on this sub, I need to bang a hot girl NOW!!!" horny/needy vibe. It's like a quiet, soothing, self-assuredness. So, I'm not sure how to proceed in that situation, if it wasn't for her stupidly getting pregnant, then I probably would've dated her upon her return to my city. Now, it's far more complicated. I don't want an instant family, but I don't want to have sex with her, lead her on like it will become a relationship, only to start a fade out. Feels scummy to me and she's been good to me, so the last thing I'd do is use her like that. I don't seem to really be into some FWB situation with any girl either. I guess I'm using this sub to be able to actually have women attracted to me finally, so I can probably date one. But, I'm not even sure about dating right now, from where I'm at that's a big adjustment too, and also tough to imagine as well because it too has been so far removed from my reality. So maybe the bar for success is currently just simply seeing clear interest with zero doubt from girls I find attractive.

Hi Wolverine! I'll watch how others blaze the trail first. With the unique form of healing and clearing in Version A, and how I seem to be seeing some kind of internal stuff going on, I want to continue to build on that possible momentum. I'll be watching and cheering the Version B Master Race on, lol! Me personally, being long considered one of the "resisters", I may need to stick to Version A awhile and continue to make up ground, even if it's in smaller amounts at a time. I'm just happy with any kind of change to show the sub is doing anything to me, even though I'm not sure if anything external is happening, with T or otherwise. Maybe it is and I'm misinterpreting her awkwardness and limited vocabulary with me, given everything else she's done, but regardless, I think for now clearing and healing with Version A seems to be the best course for me. I don't want to jump prematurely, I want to really build up some solid ground under me first.

(04-19-2017, 01:04 PM)CatMan Wrote: Hey Eternity!

Yes, it's official...(and yes, I've eaten bread before, and noodle soup especially chicken noodle, lol!)



DMSI V3.1-B: Day 2

-No headaches.

-No nausea.

-No dreams I can recall.

-Still same general chilled out feeling, nothing like any chaotic feelings, despair, negativity etc.

-For the first time in a long time, I wrote a couple messages to a few girls I know. I don't have attraction for ALL of them, but some I do. One of them is the girl I wrote about who got pregnant awhile ago, but could very well be the LDS despite this, million dollar genetics. She's coming back to town very soon now, apparently. Still don't want anything there due to the baby, just stating what's happened.

-A girl I wrote about before that is an emotional sink and toxic to deal with despite being attractive, I haven't heard from in a long time now. Almost since starting V3.1, or could very well be since before I started. I haven't reached out once since either. You'll quickly tell me that the "anti-sniper" is doing this, but that means I'm executing the script then so I'm hesitant to accept it as that would mean I should have over the top IOIs etc. from girls like other guy's journals and I haven't seen such things I don't think. And also, I don't see how that functionality works, how it like goes out into the world and "blocks" things or people, I'm not sure I buy it. She's vanished for awhile before, usually when dating somebody so they put up with the crap for awhile, then she surfaces again. But again, I'm stating what has gone on, so take it or leave it. I'm mentioning it because it could be relevant due to possible execution. Execution of the script, not like Mr. 47 has taken care of her for me, .

-Saturday night will be 5 days on Version B. So, there will be a better chance to see if anything is different. I've seen others get results on this in that time frame or quicker, but I feel it may be too early to see anything REAL. We'll see.

-I'll update if anything else comes to mind.