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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-29-2018, 04:31 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:Quote:I will have to look at that before I can answer. We can't take away free will in all this. So if there is a way to do it without taking away free will, then I will probably do that. Otherwise, probably not.
@Shannon But, what if it isn't possible? Wouldn't that make DMSI chase an impossible goal?
We already know it's possible, because it's been happening. It's just a matter of making it happen as much and as easily as possible for the most possible people.
Quote:And wouldn't that mean there are some cases where DMSI would be totally useless, like with very shy women or women that simply don't know how to seduce or simply do not want to seduce for very valid reasons?
DMSI is not going to achieve design goal for 100% of users, or get 100% of the affected to react enough to achieve the design goal. Anyone who thinks otherwise is invited to get off the drugs. I don't think it will be totally useless, but I do know that there are simply too many variations of user and affected for it to achieve sex with 100% of either.
Quote:Wouldn't DMSI work on very strict conditions then? Having a woman willing to seduce blatantly is like having planets being aligned, well in many parts of the world.
We haven't finished developing DMSI. There are a lot of important things to add yet, a LOT of them. I think you're going to find that DMSI Final does things that you won't believe until you see it for yourself. So how about we just wait and see who's right? Otherwise we're both just saying what our opinion is.
Quote:What do you plan to do if DMSI still fails to deliver even at its last version because of societal programming and such?. Would you abandon that idea and re-follow most of what you have done with previous subs? Would you focus more on the user side rather than affected side?
We already have it delivering. It's not a question of if it fails to deliver, it's a question of what is an acceptable percentage of delivery and an acceptable percentage of people executing after what amount of time.
However, the goal of DMSI has always been to develop the 6G skeleton script. That is happening, and is going to make DMSI a success regardless of what results DMSI achieves. We are developing it against DMSI to make it the best it can be regardless. So in the end, we have all already "won" because DMSI is forcing me to develop the 6G skeleton script a lot further and better than I would have done otherwise.
In the end, if DMSI does not deliver enough to make me happy, the skeleton script will still have been made much better and more capable than it would have otherwise. There is no losing here.
But I would not still be working on DMSI if I did not believe I could make it work well enough to make the vast majority of people happy with what it does in the final version.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarkPlouf - 06-30-2018
Ah ok. Most of the time when talking about DMSI you're very confident so I found that odd when you said:
Quote:So if there is a way to do it without taking away free will, then I will probably do that. Otherwise, probably not..
That'd realistically mean that if there is no way to achieve DMSI's goal without impeding free will then DMSI is doomed since the start.
Yeah, it helps with developing 6G though...
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-29-2018, 07:34 PM)CatMan Wrote:(06-29-2018, 03:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: After taking a few days off to rest, I plan on building a few focusfire subs and then working on 3.3.
Hi Shannon,
Is it impossible to reverse that and do V3.3 BEFORE these focus fires, whatever they are? I'm concerned with what happened last time in this situation, they won't be "2-3 days per", and will take awhile. I don't begrudge you making them to make money at some point, even though we've also paid for this program. Most of us long ago now, and it's still obviously not there yet, of course. And also that, I mean, we've had one release for this program in well over a year.
After that, you have a few months to delve into B17, focus fires, whatever. As we'll need to have time to give feedback on V3.3 anyway.
V3.3 is going to take AT LEAST a month, possibly two. Focusfires take 2-3 days. I can't afford not to build the focusfires before 3.3, since I'm not making new stuff for the store as a result of the custom, and most of you aren't paying for DMSI, since it's an upgrade for you. So I need to make these to release something new to make more money for the business while I work on 3.3.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - THolt - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 07:01 AM)Shannon Wrote:(06-29-2018, 07:34 PM)CatMan Wrote:(06-29-2018, 03:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: After taking a few days off to rest, I plan on building a few focusfire subs and then working on 3.3.
Hi Shannon,
Is it impossible to reverse that and do V3.3 BEFORE these focus fires, whatever they are? I'm concerned with what happened last time in this situation, they won't be "2-3 days per", and will take awhile. I don't begrudge you making them to make money at some point, even though we've also paid for this program. Most of us long ago now, and it's still obviously not there yet, of course. And also that, I mean, we've had one release for this program in well over a year.
After that, you have a few months to delve into B17, focus fires, whatever. As we'll need to have time to give feedback on V3.3 anyway.
V3.3 is going to take AT LEAST a month, possibly two. Focusfires take 2-3 days. I can't afford not to build the focusfires before 3.3, since I'm not making new stuff for the store as a result of the custom, and most of you aren't paying for DMSI, since it's an upgrade for you. So I need to make these to release something new to make more money for the business while I work on 3.3.
Hey Shannon have you determined what the focusfire will be about other than US?
How many days will I need stop using subs to use these new ones? 21 or 35?
I am currently on SE
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Jake2015 - 06-30-2018
hey @Shannon
You always amaze me with your ability to reply here with such clarity and be able to work on the subs behind the scenes, so thank you for your hard work and efforts my friend and know we all support you even when we're lost in our own worlds and dramas!!
1) Will the focusfires that you are going to be making be using the 3.2 tech?
2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
4) I had a thought, for those that are having sex due to DMSI so far and are having sex without approaching females (which is the goal of DMSI), then is it still possible that they are achieving this success without executing ALL of the sub?
What I mean is that besides the sex, DMSI appeals to me for its foundation work on self esteem confidence etc, so is it possible these are not executed and yet success is achieved, and if so then is it possible going forward to somehow know this so that eventually with 6G, all subgoals of a sub are executed?
Hope that made sense and apologies, I tried to make this as succinct as possible to save your time.
thanks buddy!!
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 07:22 AM)THolt Wrote:(06-30-2018, 07:01 AM)Shannon Wrote:(06-29-2018, 07:34 PM)CatMan Wrote:(06-29-2018, 03:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: After taking a few days off to rest, I plan on building a few focusfire subs and then working on 3.3.
Hi Shannon,
Is it impossible to reverse that and do V3.3 BEFORE these focus fires, whatever they are? I'm concerned with what happened last time in this situation, they won't be "2-3 days per", and will take awhile. I don't begrudge you making them to make money at some point, even though we've also paid for this program. Most of us long ago now, and it's still obviously not there yet, of course. And also that, I mean, we've had one release for this program in well over a year.
After that, you have a few months to delve into B17, focus fires, whatever. As we'll need to have time to give feedback on V3.3 anyway.
V3.3 is going to take AT LEAST a month, possibly two. Focusfires take 2-3 days. I can't afford not to build the focusfires before 3.3, since I'm not making new stuff for the store as a result of the custom, and most of you aren't paying for DMSI, since it's an upgrade for you. So I need to make these to release something new to make more money for the business while I work on 3.3.
Hey Shannon have you determined what the focusfire will be about other than US?
There will be Ultra Success, and I think we were going to do Ultra Motivation. I also have a request by a woman friend of mine, and since I haven't done one for women in a long time, I'm doing that. It's one for growing your hair and nails faster.
The Ultra Motivation I am not entirely sure of, I'm going to look at what options I have and make sure that it's the best option. I think Ultra Motivation sounds like a good one though. What suggestions do you have?
Quote:How many days will I need stop using subs to use these new ones? 21 or 35?
I am currently on SE
Everything except 3.2 is 21 days right now. 3.2 introduced the new P6, and is 35.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 08:35 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: hey @Shannon
You always amaze me with your ability to reply here with such clarity and be able to work on the subs behind the scenes, so thank you for your hard work and efforts my friend and know we all support you even when we're lost in our own worlds and dramas!!
1) Will the focusfires that you are going to be making be using the 3.2 tech?
Yes.
Quote:2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
That does not logically follow. Especially since the goal of DMSI is the most challenging goal I could find, and it is based on a lot of sub-goals, all of which are things that apparently scare the hell out of you guys. Focus fire subs have one goal and a skeleton script to support that goal, and the goal in this case is not going to be very scary in comparison... plus, it'll be 1-3 statements in the script that give the goal.
Quote:3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
Wouldn't you say that Ultra Motivation would cover that?
Quote:4) I had a thought, for those that are having sex due to DMSI so far and are having sex without approaching females (which is the goal of DMSI), then is it still possible that they are achieving this success without executing ALL of the sub?
Yes, it is possible to achieve the primary goal of DMSI without executing all of the sub. The more of the sub you execute, however, the faster and better the results will be.
Quote:What I mean is that besides the sex, DMSI appeals to me for its foundation work on self esteem confidence etc, so is it possible these are not executed and yet success is achieved, and if so then is it possible going forward to somehow know this so that eventually with 6G, all subgoals of a sub are executed?
We are working on DMSI as a proving grounds and development testbed for 6G. I chose the goal I could find that you guys would actually want to achieve consciously, and which would be the most challenging for me to achieve through a subliminal. So it's in development, and each release is a step forward and an improvement, and we are working on it.
I can tell you that based on what I see in my models, 6G is going to be very popular and well loved. I can also tell you that there is one hell of a lot of tech in Beast that I have to port over yet, and some of the developments I am working on between now and DMSI-Final may be game changers all by themselves in some way. So I'm not sure. But I am banking on, 6G is going to be persuasive enough to get all the sub-goals executed for the vast majority of people, based on what I see and what I know.
Quote:Hope that made sense and apologies, I tried to make this as succinct as possible to save your time.
thanks buddy!!
Sure, and thank you.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 05:57 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Ah ok. Most of the time when talking about DMSI you're very confident so I found that odd when you said:Quote:So if there is a way to do it without taking away free will, then I will probably do that. Otherwise, probably not..
That'd realistically mean that if there is no way to achieve DMSI's goal without impeding free will then DMSI was doomed since the start.
Yeah, it helps with developing 6G though...
Your logic skills need a little tweaking.
We are already getting results. Some people are executing and achieving the design goal. That means:
It is definitely possible.
The thing is, it is me trying to persuade you to persuade someone else to do something that is against their social conditioning. So for ANYONE to have achieved the design goal AT ALL is a miracle. That alone means it is possible. So there is no need to worry about whether it is possible; there is a need to consider what percentage of you I can motivate to actually cooperate, instead of fighting the goal you paid to achieve, and then getting mad at me because you prevented it from happening; and then what percentage of the population we can successfully influence to act also, without taking away their free will.
The moment the first person achieved the design goal, the war was over. We won. Now the rest is just making it as effective as possible. And I am confident that there is enough change coming that DMSI will not only be successful in it's last version or two, but it will be a good seller for many years (and possibly decades) to come.
And 6G will benefit from all this, and DMSI will probably end up being a 6G.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Jake2015 - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 10:05 AM)Shannon Wrote:(06-30-2018, 08:35 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: hey @Shannon
You always amaze me with your ability to reply here with such clarity and be able to work on the subs behind the scenes, so thank you for your hard work and efforts my friend and know we all support you even when we're lost in our own worlds and dramas!!
1) Will the focusfires that you are going to be making be using the 3.2 tech?
Yes.
Quote:2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
That does not logically follow. Especially since the goal of DMSI is the most challenging goal I could find, and it is based on a lot of sub-goals, all of which are things that apparently scare the hell out of you guys. Focus fire subs have one goal and a skeleton script to support that goal, and the goal in this case is not going to be very scary in comparison... plus, it'll be 1-3 statements in the script that give the goal.
Quote:3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
Wouldn't you say that Ultra Motivation would cover that?
Quote:4) I had a thought, for those that are having sex due to DMSI so far and are having sex without approaching females (which is the goal of DMSI), then is it still possible that they are achieving this success without executing ALL of the sub?
Yes, it is possible to achieve the primary goal of DMSI without executing all of the sub. The more of the sub you execute, however, the faster and better the results will be.
Quote:What I mean is that besides the sex, DMSI appeals to me for its foundation work on self esteem confidence etc, so is it possible these are not executed and yet success is achieved, and if so then is it possible going forward to somehow know this so that eventually with 6G, all subgoals of a sub are executed?
We are working on DMSI as a proving grounds and development testbed for 6G. I chose the goal I could find that you guys would actually want to achieve consciously, and which would be the most challenging for me to achieve through a subliminal. So it's in development, and each release is a step forward and an improvement, and we are working on it.
I can tell you that based on what I see in my models, 6G is going to be very popular and well loved. I can also tell you that there is one hell of a lot of tech in Beast that I have to port over yet, and some of the developments I am working on between now and DMSI-Final may be game changers all by themselves in some way. So I'm not sure. But I am banking on, 6G is going to be persuasive enough to get all the sub-goals executed for the vast majority of people, based on what I see and what I know.
Quote:Hope that made sense and apologies, I tried to make this as succinct as possible to save your time.
thanks buddy!!
Sure, and thank you.
Thank you for replying so quickly @Shannon
Im not sure how to "quote" separate things that are already quoted above so ill reply as follows:
Quote:Quote:2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
That does not logically follow. Especially since the goal of DMSI is the most challenging goal I could find, and it is based on a lot of sub-goals, all of which are things that apparently scare the hell out of you guys. Focus fire subs have one goal and a skeleton script to support that goal, and the goal in this case is not going to be very scary in comparison... plus, it'll be 1-3 statements in the script that give the goal.
Ok that great and awesome because 3.2 is the first sub I have executed in some way (anti-fap from 1 loop) so I can now hope that the focusfire will be executed more by me
- I will as you may recall start 7loops as you instructed once my exams are over and see if I can execute more than just not fapping.Quote:Quote:3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
Wouldn't you say that Ultra Motivation would cover that?
I have no idea what the difference between 'motivation' and 'procrastination' are but if UM can have me focused on goals, focused on doing daily actions I want to and need to and should do, and keep me motivated and focused on doing the things I know I should, even though right now im "wasting time" and procrastinating then yes.
If UM can have time management as well as anti-stress/overwhelm in there too please then wonderful.
Procrastination has been the biggest obstacle in my way as you may recall. I dream alot about the future, I am always motivated at the start and then boom when the time comes I lose that drive and motivation and procrastination. I have daily to-do lists that I make sometimes follow sometimes never look at again. I get overwhelmed and stressed easily and often due to university or high expectations and boom im procrastinating again. I also seem to only work at night when the world is asleep and I should be asleep which then means im not productive in the morning and cant seem to work with the rest of society.
So if UM can get me and others to do our daily rituals/tasks daily to create these new empowering habits of action then yes UM is the anti-procrastination.
would you agree?
Quote:I can tell you that based on what I see in my models, 6G is going to be very popular and well loved. I can also tell you that there is one hell of a lot of tech in Beast that I have to port over yet, and some of the developments I am working on between now and DMSI-Final may be game changers all by themselves in some way. So I'm not sure. But I am banking on, 6G is going to be persuasive enough to get all the sub-goals executed for the vast majority of people, based on what I see and what I know.
amazing!!! this is why im happy to wait for 3.3 longer than others if it means that you can put in alot more now - is that something you want to do?
thanks again!
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - JCasterlin - 06-30-2018
@Shannon MLS is to be run every other day correct?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 10:21 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:(06-30-2018, 10:05 AM)Shannon Wrote:(06-30-2018, 08:35 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: hey @Shannon
You always amaze me with your ability to reply here with such clarity and be able to work on the subs behind the scenes, so thank you for your hard work and efforts my friend and know we all support you even when we're lost in our own worlds and dramas!!
1) Will the focusfires that you are going to be making be using the 3.2 tech?
Yes.
Quote:2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
That does not logically follow. Especially since the goal of DMSI is the most challenging goal I could find, and it is based on a lot of sub-goals, all of which are things that apparently scare the hell out of you guys. Focus fire subs have one goal and a skeleton script to support that goal, and the goal in this case is not going to be very scary in comparison... plus, it'll be 1-3 statements in the script that give the goal.
Quote:3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
Wouldn't you say that Ultra Motivation would cover that?
Quote:4) I had a thought, for those that are having sex due to DMSI so far and are having sex without approaching females (which is the goal of DMSI), then is it still possible that they are achieving this success without executing ALL of the sub?
Yes, it is possible to achieve the primary goal of DMSI without executing all of the sub. The more of the sub you execute, however, the faster and better the results will be.
Quote:What I mean is that besides the sex, DMSI appeals to me for its foundation work on self esteem confidence etc, so is it possible these are not executed and yet success is achieved, and if so then is it possible going forward to somehow know this so that eventually with 6G, all subgoals of a sub are executed?
We are working on DMSI as a proving grounds and development testbed for 6G. I chose the goal I could find that you guys would actually want to achieve consciously, and which would be the most challenging for me to achieve through a subliminal. So it's in development, and each release is a step forward and an improvement, and we are working on it.
I can tell you that based on what I see in my models, 6G is going to be very popular and well loved. I can also tell you that there is one hell of a lot of tech in Beast that I have to port over yet, and some of the developments I am working on between now and DMSI-Final may be game changers all by themselves in some way. So I'm not sure. But I am banking on, 6G is going to be persuasive enough to get all the sub-goals executed for the vast majority of people, based on what I see and what I know.
Quote:Hope that made sense and apologies, I tried to make this as succinct as possible to save your time.
thanks buddy!!
Sure, and thank you.
Thank you for replying so quickly @Shannon
Im not sure how to "quote" separate things that are already quoted above so ill reply as follows:
Quote:Quote:2) Since I had executed 1 subgoal of 3.2 (not fapping) will the focusfires (if using 3.2 tech) indicate that I may execute these partially too?
That does not logically follow. Especially since the goal of DMSI is the most challenging goal I could find, and it is based on a lot of sub-goals, all of which are things that apparently scare the hell out of you guys. Focus fire subs have one goal and a skeleton script to support that goal, and the goal in this case is not going to be very scary in comparison... plus, it'll be 1-3 statements in the script that give the goal.
Ok that great and awesome because 3.2 is the first sub I have executed in some way (anti-fap from 1 loop) so I can now hope that the focusfire will be executed more by me
Quote:Quote:3) Based on the above and in the hope that the focusfires can work for me, is there any plan to make a super procrastination/new habit forming/goal achieving/action taking sub?
Wouldn't you say that Ultra Motivation would cover that?
I have no idea what the difference between 'motivation' and 'procrastination' are but if UM can have me focused on goals, focused on doing daily actions I want to and need to and should do, and keep me motivated and focused on doing the things I know I should, even though right now im "wasting time" and procrastinating then yes.
If UM can have time management as well as anti-stress/overwhelm in there too please then wonderful.
Procrastination has been the biggest obstacle in my way as you may recall. I dream alot about the future, I am always motivated at the start and then boom when the time comes I lose that drive and motivation and procrastination. I have daily to-do lists that I make sometimes follow sometimes never look at again. I get overwhelmed and stressed easily and often due to university or high expectations and boom im procrastinating again.
So if UM can get me and others to do our daily rituals/tasks daily to create these new empowering habits of action then yes UM is the anti-procrastination.
would you agree?
Procrastination is a result of the subconscious refusing to do what is necessary. In some cases it is done out of fear, and in some cases it is done out of sheer stubbornness. But you always actually do what you are most motivated to do. They say actions speak louder than words because you can say whatever you want, but your actions will show the truth of the matter.
For example, a lot of you say you want to achieve the design goals of DMSI, but then you fight tooth and nail not to. The truth is, you want to do something else more than you want to achieve the design goals, and it shows in what you do, and the results you get from what you choose to do.
So motivation can overcome procrastination, if it is properly directed, but this is going to be a general subliminal aimed at raising motivation in general, or for whatever you are trying to or needing to achieve. It can still be helpful for you. An Overcoming Procrastination sub may be better for it, but that's probably going to wait until after 3.3 comes out.
UM is going to be about motivating you. Time management, etc. is not for adding to a focusfire for motivation.
Quote:Quote:I can tell you that based on what I see in my models, 6G is going to be very popular and well loved. I can also tell you that there is one hell of a lot of tech in Beast that I have to port over yet, and some of the developments I am working on between now and DMSI-Final may be game changers all by themselves in some way. So I'm not sure. But I am banking on, 6G is going to be persuasive enough to get all the sub-goals executed for the vast majority of people, based on what I see and what I know.
amazing!!! this is why im happy to wait for 3.3 longer than others if it means that you can put in alot more now - is that something you want to do?
thanks again!
I'm going to work on 3.3 until I am satisfied that we have added enough.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarkPlouf - 06-30-2018
Nobody's logic needs tweaking Shannon, no need to get defensive.
Looks like you did not understand why I asked you that.
That was coming from what I quoted - from your own words. As I said I found that odd you saying that. Basically, you said yourself "if there is a way" - which translate to "if it is possible". That condition wasn't established by me but you.
I just wanted some clarifications, and eventually hearing from what you'd do if the least desirable case appears to be true.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 11:43 AM)JCasterlin Wrote: @Shannon MLS is to be run every other day correct?
Yes, 1:1 secondary ASRB.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 06-30-2018
(06-30-2018, 11:44 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Nobody's logic needs tweaking Shannon, no need to get defensive.
I wasn't being defensive. However, I do think that was unnecessary to say (your logic needs tweaking), so I apologize for that.
Quote:Looks like you did not understand why I asked you that.
That was coming from what I quoted - from your own words. As I said I found that odd you saying that. Basically, you said yourself "if there is a way" - which translate to "if it is possible". That condition wasn't established by me but you.
I just wanted some clarifications, and eventually hearing from what you'd do if the least desirable case appears to be true.
There is always a chance that it won't be possible for us to affect large numbers of people without taking away their free will. That is what I was referring to. I obviously don't think that is the case, or I would have stopped working on DMSI. But it is wise to always keep in mind what is possible, regardless.