+- Subliminal Talk (https://subliminal-talk.com)
+-- Forum: Men's Journals (18+ NSFW) (https://subliminal-talk.com/Forum-Men-s-Journals-18-NSFW)
+--- Forum: Men's Journals (https://subliminal-talk.com/Forum-Men-s-Journals)
+--- Thread: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 (/Thread-Shannon-s-Journal-Discussion-Thread-Vol-8)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - papagani24 - 03-10-2025
(03-10-2025, 03:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote:(03-10-2025, 01:56 PM)papagani24 Wrote: Yes, the on days of the first cycle in X4A-1600 are over, now I am moving to the off days.
I bought the X4A-1000 and 1500 (I hope the names are correct) as soon as they came out, but none of them impressed me this much. On my 6th day I hooked up with a girl I met randomly. The biggest difference of this program compared to other versions, at least for me, is that I CAN NOT STOP the program. I don't know exactly what it is doing to me, but it is doing everything to achieve its goal. Even if that includes going out of character (out of my usual character, that is). For those who still don't get results, speaking from my own experience, keep listening and follow the instructions. I say it again, because this is what impressed me the most, even though I don't know exactly what this program does to get over ME, but I absolutely CAN NOT STOP IT.
Also, this sentence in the program description is really true for me:
“6G is powerful enough that if you have fear of sex, women or anything that would prevent you from achieving sex, even without focusing on fear removal, it will try to get you to the goal of sex. This may result in some rather uncomfortable internal experiences along the way. ”
I will try the X4A-1600 until the end of the month, and will report further experiences as I have them.
Interesting, how do you compare these results to the past version? As in hooking up with girls?
Good result. Would be interesting to read a journal if you made one. So this version is allowing you to overcome the issues limiting you where the past ones didn't?
"So this version is allowing you to overcome the issues limiting you where the past ones didn't?"
Yes, exactly like that. The main difference is that it overcomes day by day whatever was holding me back in the past versions, or so I feel. I don't remember exactly how long I listened to the past versions, but no matter how long I listened to them, I didn't get any significant results. It was only DMSI that made me feel that it was moving me forward in attraction. It wasn't quite close to that though. I haven't personally tried and changed anything since then. So I started listening to X4A-1600 in more or less the same position.
In terms of journaling, I don't write in my journal unless something really interesting happens, because sometimes it makes it difficult for me to take a broad view of what the programs are doing. It's sometimes confusing to write 'today this happened, today that happened' or to write down my day on a piece of paper because I can't remember exactly what I was thinking that day that I wrote down in the journal. I find it more practical to do something like a weekly summary. But maybe I can start a journal for this program, I see myself as still in the experimental phase.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - DarthXedonias - 03-10-2025
@Shannon Hey Shannon I haven't been around but came back and glad to see 6G is out. I will probably try it to see if its powerful enough now to deal with my certain issues. The reason I did come back was because I found out more about how I respond to things and thought by telling you you could probably improve on the subs a bit more (though I will try with 6G and see if that resolved the main issue I was having). I should say I was talking to a Veterans affairs Psychologist for a few months which helped diagnose me but also made me realize the extent of things. There were things like Anxiety disorder and depression disorder but those probably secondary to the main thing. I found out not that I have PTSD but I actually have Complex PTSD (or PTSD +) which is considered the most severe form of PTSD. This helped explained why over the years despite working on things I saw progress but the progress was very, very slow.
However I learned that a lot of that progress was being derailed by my toxic coping mechnism I had developed, an addiction in a way. Maladapative daydreaming. Basically from the way I was able to uncover things it seems like out of fear, shame, etc I broke myself into two parts practically. The reality facing part that barely does anything, doesn't have the charaistics I really want in life, and just does enough to survive and the inner "imaginary" part of myself that has all the characteristics and personality traits I want to express but gets to express them in this "safe" "imaginary" world where that part of me can express all those parts of myself safely with imaginary people that respond in the way I want them to. I believe its like part of me has totally hidden parts of myself into this imaginary version of myself because it deems those parts of myself "not safe" for expressing in the real world. This was probably due to the trauma but also the neglect and isolation in early life. I now know this is why things like Subliminals and hypnosis might have had minimal affect because since most of my identity is in that imaginary part of myself that means when it got suggestions it would just apply them to the imaginary version of myself instead of applying it to the "real life" version of myself.
I know you had something in the FRM I think to deal with simply "imagining" executing but maybe some of that was too vague for this level of "imagining". Though this seems like a mixture of Imagination and partly hiding most of yourself in this imaginary version of yourself to the point that you see most of your identity in this imaginary version instead of the real life verison of yourself. I thought I will post this here to help you out because maladaptive daydreaming seems to be a very, very common addiction and coping mechnism that some use as a response to trauma and fear. Some people use an addiction to alcohol, some use an addiction to drugs and in some case apparently some use an addiction to daydreaming to escape or cope with trauma. Anyway, I hope this gives you some insight or maybe it might help you with the production of the subliminals a bit more to cut off even more a potential issue for some who might want to try your subliminals. I will try OGSF within a few days to see if maybe the adjustment in power will overcome this issue anyway and I will probably let you know if that is the case.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - callie - 03-11-2025
(03-10-2025, 10:44 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: I found out not that I have PTSD but I actually have Complex PTSD (or PTSD +) which is considered the most severe form of PTSD. This helped explained why over the years despite working on things I saw progress but the progress was very, very slow.
I’m not Shannon but I wanted to chime in on something you said because I think it’s important. I wouldn’t necessarily call C-PTSD the most severe form of trauma. C-PTSD is serious, but it’s not necessarily 'the most severe' - it’s just more complex due to prolonged trauma rather than a single traumatic event
(03-10-2025, 10:44 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: This helped explained why over the years despite working on things I saw progress but the progress was very, very slow.
Healing C-PTSD is extremely slow because it develops from chronic, prolonged exposure to stress, fear, or emotional neglect. Over time, this rewires the nervous system to treat everyday life as a constant threat, making it much harder to process emotions, build trust, or feel safe in the world. Rushing progress can worsen symptoms and derail healing since the NS is already dysregulated (I know from experience), so slow healing should never be downplayed when it comes to C-PTSD
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Zeroxmachina - 03-11-2025
@Shannon
I have two questions:
Do you think we will get a DMSI in 6G at some point? It's been so long I can't exactly remember if you'd said something to that effect.
The other question; Will you be making physical change subs in 6G, like the old school grow taller or other interesting subs that push the boundaries of what is considered possible?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - emiebou - 03-11-2025
Shannon, is UMS v3 gonna have 3 stages like UMS v2 did?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - DarthXedonias - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 12:02 AM)callie Wrote:(03-10-2025, 10:44 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: I found out not that I have PTSD but I actually have Complex PTSD (or PTSD +) which is considered the most severe form of PTSD. This helped explained why over the years despite working on things I saw progress but the progress was very, very slow.
I’m not Shannon but I wanted to chime in on something you said because I think it’s important. I wouldn’t necessarily call C-PTSD the most severe form of trauma. C-PTSD is serious, but it’s not necessarily 'the most severe' - it’s just more complex due to prolonged trauma rather than a single traumatic event
(03-10-2025, 10:44 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: This helped explained why over the years despite working on things I saw progress but the progress was very, very slow.
Healing C-PTSD is extremely slow because it develops from chronic, prolonged exposure to stress, fear, or emotional neglect. Over time, this rewires the nervous system to treat everyday life as a constant threat, making it much harder to process emotions, build trust, or feel safe in the world. Rushing progress can worsen symptoms and derail healing since the NS is already dysregulated (I know from experience), so slow healing should never be downplayed when it comes to C-PTSD
Actually thanks for giving that information. I already knew that C-PTSD isn't from one traumatic event but no one explained it as treating everyday life as a constant threat. That actually explains a lot of my behavior honestly. It also explains the seeking refuge in an imaginary world since the outside world isn't "safe" at all. I guess also if Shannon wanted to make that PTSD sub eventually he should make put something in there to rewire the nervious system back to a healthy state. At least this explains more why everything has been such a uphill battle for me to enact any change.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - callie - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 05:08 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote:(03-11-2025, 12:02 AM)callie Wrote: I’m not Shannon but I wanted to chime in on something you said because I think it’s important. I wouldn’t necessarily call C-PTSD the most severe form of trauma. C-PTSD is serious, but it’s not necessarily 'the most severe' - it’s just more complex due to prolonged trauma rather than a single traumatic event
Healing C-PTSD is extremely slow because it develops from chronic, prolonged exposure to stress, fear, or emotional neglect. Over time, this rewires the nervous system to treat everyday life as a constant threat, making it much harder to process emotions, build trust, or feel safe in the world. Rushing progress can worsen symptoms and derail healing since the NS is already dysregulated (I know from experience), so slow healing should never be downplayed when it comes to C-PTSD
Actually thanks for giving that information. I already knew that C-PTSD isn't from one traumatic event but no one explained it as treating everyday life as a constant threat. That actually explains a lot of my behavior honestly. It also explains the seeking refuge in an imaginary world since the outside world isn't "safe" at all. I guess also if Shannon wanted to make that PTSD sub eventually he should make put something in there to rewire the nervious system back to a healthy state. At least this explains more why everything has been such a uphill battle for me to enact any change.
Yeah, seeking refuge in an imaginary world is a natural coping mechanism when the real world doesn’t feel safe
I also agree that if Shannon were to create a PTSD/C-PTSD sub, it would need to directly target nervous system dysregulation since that’s at the core of why progress feels like an uphill battle. The most important part of healing C-PTSD is rewiring the nervous system and helping it return to a regulated state - making it feel safe enough shift out of chronic stress and hypervigilance. Without that no real healing can take hold imo
@Shannon, would you consider creating a PTSD-specific sub in the future, primarily designed to rewire the nervous system to a healthy baseline and restore a sense of safety?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 01:21 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote: @Shannon
I have two questions:
Do you think we will get a DMSI in 6G at some point? It's been so long I can't exactly remember if you'd said something to that effect.
The other question; Will you be making physical change subs in 6G, like the old school grow taller or other interesting subs that push the boundaries of what is considered possible?
There will be another DMSI. In fact, as much as I hate to say it, there might be two. I had planned to just build it once more in 6G and be done with it, but now I realize that that would be seriously under-appreciating one point. I need to know how it performs as a result of no changes except being upgraded to 6G final, before I can assess whether it is solved or needs adjustment after hitting 6G. So my current plan is to upgrade the un-released DMSI v4 to 6G, and adjust it so that it doesn't interfere with or conflict with Maverick, and then publish that as v5.0. Once we see what that can do, I'll assess whether it's worth putting in the effort and time to make it again, with upgrades, and release v6.0.
To be clear, there will be a v5, but there is no guarantee of v6. And v5 would be a standard 6G, and v6 would be a Premium.
There will be physical change subs in 6G.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 04:58 AM)emiebou Wrote: Shannon, is UMS v3 gonna have 3 stages like UMS v2 did?
As of now, the goal is to create a version of UMS that follows the same design as before, but upgrades everything to 6G standard. I'm actually working on it now, and there are over 120 goals in this script. It doesn't need additions, it's extremely well designed and done. So my current plan is to upgrade it to 6G standard, optimize the scripting and build it in 6G with the same design it had in v2.
That may change if the models direct me otherwise, but it is what makes the most sense to me right now. ATM, the models are not returning useful confidence levels.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:58 AM)callie Wrote:(03-11-2025, 05:08 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Actually thanks for giving that information. I already knew that C-PTSD isn't from one traumatic event but no one explained it as treating everyday life as a constant threat. That actually explains a lot of my behavior honestly. It also explains the seeking refuge in an imaginary world since the outside world isn't "safe" at all. I guess also if Shannon wanted to make that PTSD sub eventually he should make put something in there to rewire the nervious system back to a healthy state. At least this explains more why everything has been such a uphill battle for me to enact any change.
Yeah, seeking refuge in an imaginary world is a natural coping mechanism when the real world doesn’t feel safe
I also agree that if Shannon were to create a PTSD/C-PTSD sub, it would need to directly target nervous system dysregulation since that’s at the core of why progress feels like an uphill battle. The most important part of healing C-PTSD is rewiring the nervous system and helping it return to a regulated state - making it feel safe enough shift out of chronic stress and hypervigilance. Without that no real healing can take hold imo
@Shannon, would you consider creating a PTSD-specific sub in the future, primarily designed to rewire the nervous system to a healthy baseline and restore a sense of safety?
Sure. But that is going to require sufficient research first.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Frosted - 03-11-2025
@callie @DarthXedonias I’m confused why you guys think Shannon’s subs can’t heal C-PTSD. I’m pretty sure that’s what I have, and the subs have been slow going, but have definitely worked wonders. Specifically 5.11G and 6G. I think it can be easy to feel like it’s not working for you, when really I just think it takes a lot of time to work through. Can it take me all the way? I think it probably can, but I can’t say 100% yet. But I do know I haven’t nearly reached the limit for even what 5.11G could do for me, let alone 6G, so I’m very hopeful.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Frosted - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 01:35 PM)Shannon Wrote:(03-11-2025, 06:58 AM)callie Wrote: Yeah, seeking refuge in an imaginary world is a natural coping mechanism when the real world doesn’t feel safe
I also agree that if Shannon were to create a PTSD/C-PTSD sub, it would need to directly target nervous system dysregulation since that’s at the core of why progress feels like an uphill battle. The most important part of healing C-PTSD is rewiring the nervous system and helping it return to a regulated state - making it feel safe enough shift out of chronic stress and hypervigilance. Without that no real healing can take hold imo
@Shannon, would you consider creating a PTSD-specific sub in the future, primarily designed to rewire the nervous system to a healthy baseline and restore a sense of safety?
Sure. But that is going to require sufficient research first.
I’d be interested in a super duty OGSF3/E7 designed for C-PTSD. I’m pretty sure I have C-PTSD and OGSF 5.11G and E6 5.11G were extremely helpful. Adding C-PTSD support can only make it kick even more ass.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - Shannon - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 01:43 PM)Frosted Wrote:(03-11-2025, 01:35 PM)Shannon Wrote: Sure. But that is going to require sufficient research first.
I’d be interested in a super duty OGSF3/E7 designed for C-PTSD. I’m pretty sure I have C-PTSD and OGSF 5.11G and E6 5.11G were extremely helpful. Adding C-PTSD support can only make it kick even more ass.
OGSF v3 is "super duty". Anything focused on PTSD would just be modified to focus on dealing with that and it's branches more specifically. But one thing I have to point out is that withdrawing into the mind to avoid or gain more "control" over "reality" sounds an awful lot like Resistance type #22.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8 - 4Kingdoms - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 02:10 PM)Shannon Wrote: OGSF v3 is "super duty". Anything focused on PTSD would just be modified to focus on dealing with that and it's branches more specifically. But one thing I have to point out is that withdrawing into the mind to avoid or gain more "control" over "reality" sounds an awful lot like Resistance type #22.
Types Of Resistance And How To Spot Them
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Types-Of-Resistance-And-How-To-Spot-Them?pid=212355#pid212355