(10-24-2017, 01:05 AM)Raykon Wrote:

(10-22-2017, 01:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Chatted with my Grandma on the phone today.

She basically asked me "When are you going to get yourself a REAL job?" lol.

Don't take it personal. My aunt and grandma are extremely critical of me as well and have an old fashioned mindset (if your not in school to become a doctor or engineer your a **** up = there mindset)

(10-24-2017, 05:04 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Reading more of "Awaken the Giant Within" I'm about 125 pages into it.

Something Tony says is about "pain vs. pleasure" associations.

I know Shannon tried this for DMSI and it didn't seem to work. But from what I'm reading, it's simply the ASSOCIATION of pain or pleasure that motivates us, NOT actual pain or pleasure (which I think is what Shannon tried with the morphine drip). So maybe there's a chance to augment that.

Another thing: It never sat right with me how Shannon said he'd remove the pain aspect from the new program because I thought it might make us numb to pain and therefore feel like there are no negative consequences which would be VERY bad.

One of the reasons I was glad that Shannon was removing that aspect was because I personally can linger on painful emotions. But even then, it's still the "pain pleasure" response, in that it's LESS painful to sit with the pain than to do something about it.

We still need that pain if we're to outgrow bad behaviors.

Pain like shame for letting a friend down or being depressed because you don't contribute to society. Those are HEALTHY and should not be numbed imo.

Another thing Tony says is that you can have MORE positive than negative reasons to change or improve but STILL remain unchanged if the reason to not change is MORE EMOTIONALLY CHARGED.

So, for example:

Let's say you want to quit smoking.

Your Reasons For Quitting are:
You don't want to get lung cancer
You want to live long and healthy
You don't like the taste of cigarettes
You could definitely use the extra money you'd get from not buying all those packs of cigarettes


But the Reason you have for NOT Quitting is simply:
You'll lose your friends


IF That ONE belief for not quitting is more emotionally compelling than the others, you won't change.

You link MORE PAIN to quitting than you do to not quitting because for you, losing your friends is MORE PAINFUL than the reasons to quit smoking.

So perhaps something like that is going on with DMSI.

HOWEVER, it should be noted that simply having the right beliefs won't lead to success, one needs to know HOW and WHAT to do, but that's besides the point for this post.

(10-24-2017, 05:25 PM)Raykon Wrote: the pain pleasure thing is very real. I learned about it two years ago and been thinking about it allot since then.

That's why its so important to always remind yourself why your doing what your doing and why it is your doing it.

(10-25-2017, 01:17 PM)Plouf Wrote: I have a light pectus exavatus too. Seems like it's common with skinny guys .

(10-25-2017, 01:17 PM)Plouf Wrote: Yes I find her behavior strange, WTFesque. She has a problem.

(10-25-2017, 02:24 PM)Kol Wrote: My first instinct says she is testing you. Battle of frames so to speak. It doesnt really matter why she did it. You are the decider.

It reminds me of C in a way. Running DMSI made her go borderline haywire and testy. Antisniper? Arousal and thus erratic response because she hasnt encountered such a SI man? Whatever it is, its a big possibility it was a reaction to DMSI and an assertion of position.

Such behaviour doesnt phase me but is a good sign DMSI is working. Sexuality, especially in terms of women and them being emotional ( theyre pretty much little girls beneath all the posturing ) can bring out the most irrational responses and behaviours. It reminds me of Dzemoo when had this 11/10 chick.

I also feel in a way its outside their control and their sexual nature aswell as their "true hardwired self" overrides all resistence there is like they cant contain themselves, including mixed signals due subconscious reactions to you.

(10-25-2017, 03:03 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: I don't see that conversation as not normal. I wasn't there to be sure but just from the conversation I don't see anything crazy.

I say that because a lot of women and even men behave like that. They are stuck on one idea and can't see the other point of view.
And from Sarge reaction he was stuck on his idea also.
Last time I was talking with a woman she did that, and I'm around 98% sure she wasn't attracted to me.

Basic argument which you also do on this forum Sarge. So nothing exceptional in my opinion whether male or female