(03-12-2020, 09:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: What you're experiencing is basically your subconscious attempting to execute FRM, then being met with hopelessness because the fearful parts are convinced you will literally die if you execute, and being unwilling to execute.  Then the fear at the subconscious level overriding the FRM and then you disconnecting so you don't have to overcome those fears.

I have had a lot of great changes in my life because of FRM, different ways from different versions of it.  Remember, FRM is not just a blob, it has different versions for very good reason.  V4.8 is a lot better than 4.7 is a lot better than 4.6 is a lot better than... and so on.  I believe the version in USLM v3/5.5G (Latest) is FRM 4.5 or 4.6.  

I have also seen FRM have a dramatically positive effect on my girlfriend's life as well.  She has a lot of fear from having a father who constantly reinforced things that frightened her.  It does amazing things for her.

USLM 4.x is known to have issues with achieving the level of success that 3.0 did.  Basically, the optimizations are too high strung.  I will need to go back and adjust them for USLM 4.2.  If you want to use USLM, why not go back and use 3.0?  Or switch to a different program for the time being.

FRM is not finished yet.  I have spent months and months trying to figure out how to advance it from 4.8.  If you saw the script, you would swear there is no way no how any fear was getting through it.  And yet... here we are.  So it still needs work, and the next version is in the works, but it is like pulling teeth finding ways to adjust and improve it.  The ideas I have had are either almost impossible to script or incredibly complex and slow to create.

Please specify which version of FRM you are talking about, if possible.  I know it's not listed in USLM 4.1's description.

• If you don't need the Joker card in the deck for playing a game, why have any cards at all?  
  
• If I don't need yellow, why have any color at all?
  
• If I don't eat fish, why have any seafood at all?
  
• If I don't need .22 Long Rifle Ammunition, why have any ammunition at all?
  
• If I don't need volume 23 of the encyclopedia, why have any of the other volumes at all?
  

(03-18-2020, 11:44 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:1. Fear is a core motivator, like other emotions, why would I do things without it?

Fear is a core motivator.  But it is an unnecessary one, and a negative one that does more harm than good.  You would do things without it because there are better ways.

Quote:2. Fear is like all other emotions, if i don't need fear, why have any emotion at all? 

Fear is one emotion out of a palette of possible emotional states.  Extending your argument to "if i don't need fear, why have any emotion at all?" is a non-sequitur and is illogical.  By the same logic, we arrive at the following statements:

• If you don't need the Joker card in the deck for playing a game, why have any cards at all?  
  
• If I don't need yellow, why have any color at all?
  
• If I don't eat fish, why have any seafood at all?
  
• If I don't need .22 Long Rifle Ammunition, why have any ammunition at all?
  
• If I don't need volume 23 of the encyclopedia, why have any of the other volumes at all?
  

As you can see, this logic is faulty to the point of ridiculous.  You can still play a game without the joker card if it doesn't require the joker card, but only if you have the other cards.  You can still paint in color without yellow and make paintings that make sense and work.  You can still have snow crab even if you don't have fish.  Your gun may not take .22 LR ammunition; maybe it needs .40 caliber instead.  And you may need the information contained in Volume 18 of the encyclopedia right now, but other volumes will become useful later on.

Quote:3. Fear, like my other feelings, are a part of my identity - without fear i may as well just shut down my identity

Once again, an irrational argument.  Fear may be part of your identity, but your identity can and does change over time.  And, the only reason fear is a part of your identity is because it is what you have known in the past.  To say you may as well just shut down your identity is to say that because you have never experienced change in this direction, it cannot be done, now or ever.  The fact is, you can change, your identity can change, and you can exist and have a perfectly valid identity without fear.  This argument is based on a fear of having no fear!

Quote:4. being without fear would make the world lose definition and distinction which would leave me without direction. 

This is just ridiculous, and very obviously a fear based cop out.  If ever since you can remember you had a shackle around your left ankle that was connected to a chain with a 50 pound steel ball at the end, would the world lose definition and leave you without direction if that chain were to break, or the shackle was unlocked?  Quite the reverse, in fact.  Fear is not just a liar, it is an imprisonment.  Freedom from prison never made any inmate ever feel like life lost its definition and left them without direction.  So why would that be true for you?  

You are again afraid of not having the limitations fear gives you.  In other words, you have this self imposed prison because you want the limitations, and they make you feel safe.  The reality is, being limited by fear does not make you any safer.  That feeling is an illusion, just as is the danger you fear in almost all cases.  Being without that self imposed prison of fear makes you free.  You can do whatever you want.  But not knowing what to do with that freedom frequently triggers more fear.  

This is why fear is so difficult to kill: it is self referencing.  It is self supporting.  It is self regenerating.  It is irrational, illogical and deceptive in the extreme.  And the parts of you that generate fear cannot comprehend logic.  

You can live without fear.  You can live more safely and happily without fear.  All we need to do is figure out why the current script is not achieving its goals and then make the adjustments.  I'm working on that.  But any argument for your fears and keeping them and why they're good is by nature going to be irrational and illogical, because fear is unnecessary, negative and does more harm than good.

Without fear, how much better would your life be because of your freedom to do whatever achieved the best outcome?

(03-19-2020, 05:58 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Hello Shannon,

I've been doing a meditation towards fear (and anxiety) for about 2 years now along with your LTU v.5 subliminal. 

When i started out, I was held in shackles with fear, it was constant - i could simply not relax, it was as I was on a ice floe, not able to distinguish what was coming next, but just barely holding on to life and hoping that I wouldn't die any second (even if i knew logically that this wasn't going to happen, i just couldn't feel that that was true). 

But today I'm in a whole different place. I can more feel the stability of life and the world around me, the physical stability of existing (this is really something most people can take for granted for most time of their lives, so for some it don't really make sense that you haven't been able to feel that). Anyhow, i think that having to suffer through such a long period without the presence of stability, I have learned a bit about what fear really is:

For me, fear is the lack of contact with world around you, caused by a lack of contact with yourself, primary your physical body. Because when you are in contact with your body you know that everything will be fine as it is, because it already is fine (if you are not currently experiencing some trauma in the present moment). And feeling this security, you have something to assume from when meeting your fears - but if you don't have that stability to start from, meeting your fears is a much more daunting task. 

I read an interesting book about that the body remembers your trauma, and this have been so true for me. I have had to work a lot with my body to get in contact with those tensions that caused the constant feeling of fear (which is often stored in our legs and in the one muscle that connect our lower body from our upper body called the psoas muscle). 

What I want to want to say with this is that I think that it's necessary to work with the body-mind connection when trying to overcome fear by subliminals - the fear is stored in the body and need to be released in some sort of way physically to be overcome, and then you have a stable ground to work on your fears - but before that is done it will be very hard because the individual don't have a stable ground to return to and being relaxed enough to develop themselves in regards of challenging their fears.

Thanks for your dedication to helping people.

(03-19-2020, 09:14 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-19-2020, 05:58 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Hello Shannon,

I've been doing a meditation towards fear (and anxiety) for about 2 years now along with your LTU v.5 subliminal. 

When i started out, I was held in shackles with fear, it was constant - i could simply not relax, it was as I was on a ice floe, not able to distinguish what was coming next, but just barely holding on to life and hoping that I wouldn't die any second (even if i knew logically that this wasn't going to happen, i just couldn't feel that that was true). 

But today I'm in a whole different place. I can more feel the stability of life and the world around me, the physical stability of existing (this is really something most people can take for granted for most time of their lives, so for some it don't really make sense that you haven't been able to feel that). Anyhow, i think that having to suffer through such a long period without the presence of stability, I have learned a bit about what fear really is:

For me, fear is the lack of contact with world around you, caused by a lack of contact with yourself, primary your physical body. Because when you are in contact with your body you know that everything will be fine as it is, because it already is fine (if you are not currently experiencing some trauma in the present moment). And feeling this security, you have something to assume from when meeting your fears - but if you don't have that stability to start from, meeting your fears is a much more daunting task. 

I read an interesting book about that the body remembers your trauma, and this have been so true for me. I have had to work a lot with my body to get in contact with those tensions that caused the constant feeling of fear (which is often stored in our legs and in the one muscle that connect our lower body from our upper body called the psoas muscle). 

What I want to want to say with this is that I think that it's necessary to work with the body-mind connection when trying to overcome fear by subliminals - the fear is stored in the body and need to be released in some sort of way physically to be overcome, and then you have a stable ground to work on your fears - but before that is done it will be very hard because the individual don't have a stable ground to return to and being relaxed enough to develop themselves in regards of challenging their fears.

Thanks for your dedication to helping people.

I appreciate the input, but there are two things I'd like to point out.

Fear goes deeper than you realize, and it's different for each person based on their particular personality and modality focus.  When I say modality focus, what I mean is, some people are focused on the physical, some focus through the emotions, some focus through their mind and some focus through action.  But it's not that simple, either, because everyone has most or all of these focal points but to different degrees and ratios.  Furthermore, fear goes below just connecting to your body, if you focus through the physical, for example.  

Second, what you suggest with the body/mind connection has already been done.   Each step I take makes the program better, but every time it somehow misses the bullseye.  If you saw this script for the FRM, as I have said before, you would be willing to bet money that there was no way, no how, that any fear was getting through that!

I think I have found the key, but figuring out how to implement it has been a long time coming, and now I have the task of finishing the program I am building and then working on it.

I will be building, today, a program that I think a lot of people will be interested in.  Then I'm going to add FRM to my round robin.

(03-18-2020, 11:44 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:1. Fear is a core motivator, like other emotions, why would I do things without it?

Fear is a core motivator.  But it is an unnecessary one, and a negative one that does more harm than good.  You would do things without it because there are better ways.

Quote:2. Fear is like all other emotions, if i don't need fear, why have any emotion at all? 

Fear is one emotion out of a palette of possible emotional states.  Extending your argument to "if i don't need fear, why have any emotion at all?" is a non-sequitur and is illogical.  By the same logic, we arrive at the following statements:

• If you don't need the Joker card in the deck for playing a game, why have any cards at all?  
  
• If I don't need yellow, why have any color at all?
  
• If I don't eat fish, why have any seafood at all?
  
• If I don't need .22 Long Rifle Ammunition, why have any ammunition at all?
  
• If I don't need volume 23 of the encyclopedia, why have any of the other volumes at all?
  

As you can see, this logic is faulty to the point of ridiculous.  You can still play a game without the joker card if it doesn't require the joker card, but only if you have the other cards.  You can still paint in color without yellow and make paintings that make sense and work.  You can still have snow crab even if you don't have fish.  Your gun may not take .22 LR ammunition; maybe it needs .40 caliber instead.  And you may need the information contained in Volume 18 of the encyclopedia right now, but other volumes will become useful later on.

Quote:3. Fear, like my other feelings, are a part of my identity - without fear i may as well just shut down my identity

Once again, an irrational argument.  Fear may be part of your identity, but your identity can and does change over time.  And, the only reason fear is a part of your identity is because it is what you have known in the past.  To say you may as well just shut down your identity is to say that because you have never experienced change in this direction, it cannot be done, now or ever.  The fact is, you can change, your identity can change, and you can exist and have a perfectly valid identity without fear.  This argument is based on a fear of having no fear!

Quote:4. being without fear would make the world lose definition and distinction which would leave me without direction. 

This is just ridiculous, and very obviously a fear based cop out.  If ever since you can remember you had a shackle around your left ankle that was connected to a chain with a 50 pound steel ball at the end, would the world lose definition and leave you without direction if that chain were to break, or the shackle was unlocked?  Quite the reverse, in fact.  Fear is not just a liar, it is an imprisonment.  Freedom from prison never made any inmate ever feel like life lost its definition and left them without direction.  So why would that be true for you?  

You are again afraid of not having the limitations fear gives you.  In other words, you have this self imposed prison because you want the limitations, and they make you feel safe.  The reality is, being limited by fear does not make you any safer.  That feeling is an illusion, just as is the danger you fear in almost all cases.  Being without that self imposed prison of fear makes you free.  You can do whatever you want.  But not knowing what to do with that freedom frequently triggers more fear.  

This is why fear is so difficult to kill: it is self referencing.  It is self supporting.  It is self regenerating.  It is irrational, illogical and deceptive in the extreme.  And the parts of you that generate fear cannot comprehend logic.  

You can live without fear.  You can live more safely and happily without fear.  All we need to do is figure out why the current script is not achieving its goals and then make the adjustments.  I'm working on that.  But any argument for your fears and keeping them and why they're good is by nature going to be irrational and illogical, because fear is unnecessary, negative and does more harm than good.

Without fear, how much better would your life be because of your freedom to do whatever achieved the best outcome?

Quote:Again, intellectually I haven't any problem with what you're saying. It's not hard to see those limiting beliefs don't stand up to intellectual scrutiny.  I think that yes I can live more happily without fear - safe i'm not so sure.

Still, I've accepted the premise that fear is counterproductive, and worth losing, in fact I've even said that fears tend to generate exactly what they're supposed to help you avoid which is pretty insane to reflect on.  I can literally see that I have a fear, and the actions driven by that fear create exactly the result to be avoided; some forms of procrastination are a great example of this.

Worth noting as an aside - none of this is a definitive proof of that premise.

The point is, those beliefs hold in physical sensations and are hard to shake - they go deeper than logic for me as you seem to have know with your reference toward modalities of focus (really interesting by the way, do you have any material on this you could point me toward on this?).

In any case, i'm up for the next iteration of FRM.

(03-20-2020, 04:13 AM)AriGold Wrote: Hey Shannon,

I'm not sure if it is helpful, but in my opinion, it should not matter too much if we have fear. Well, the fear should of course not get too big. But every fear can be easily overcome if the motivation or the faith is big enough. I don't want to get into Rule 4 stuff, but people can do incredible things just because they have faith or they believe in something.
If I look at it with NLP and the Dilts Pyramid it would be a level 7 resource to be used for the problem. Of course it is not always necessary but if you build something within the FRM that makes you "trust that everything is going to be alright" or something like that, then the fear level should automatically go down. Maybe you already did that in some kind of way.

I mean like, if you know deep inside of you that you will achieve your goal and you don't just know it, but you feel it, then the obstacles on the way don't matter anymore.