(05-26-2016, 03:23 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: Maybe we should start a thread with a poll about this question once and for all:

In my opinion using statement in the script to repels dudes (unwanted attention) is not helping us, quiet the opposite. One of the main issue here I think come from that western society is fearful about homosexual, especially male homosexuality. This behavior is based on fear and ignorance. It's even destructive to the heterosexual man, it gives sexual power away. First there is a part of social proof that is removed. Then there is fear from men when intimacy is involved, some are fearful to express emotion or are shameful because people will see them as gay. There is also jealousy, if men were as open as women about homosexuality women would have less control on us because we would have more choice, women would be more jealous. Women are not afraid to go full homo/bisexual and that way they gain sexual power because we are the one losing a possibility for sexual freedom.

Shannon you said that in some case you don't listen to your customer because their view are wrong, I think it's a case where education is required, being fearful about homosexuality is not a normal behavior from an Alpha male. We should be able to deal with that with an open mind. We are losing power away. A lot of guys here complain that SM3 or WM2 or AM6 or AOS is not powerful enough, this is one way to make it more powerful, that is if we are able to handle a guy hitting on us, do we want to be an alpha male or not? is an alpha male afraid to be hit by gay dudes?

if we are not able to do that, well it's disappointing

Maybe you could have two separate subs for different opinions on this. It would probably only be a small tweak. I don't think you can 'educate' men into enjoying the sexual interest of other men, just as you probably can't 'educate' gay men into enjoying the sexual interest of women. I personally would not welcome the interest of men, just as I wouldn't particularly enjoy the interest of obese women with moustaches. Or am I being narrow minded and in need of education there?

It's not what I mean here, I didn't say to enjoy it but to not be fearful about it. Or the see the attention from gay men as something positive because it means you are attractive, it doesn't mean that you are going to spend time with them. You just tell them you are not interested.
To me the main reason people are asking to remove unwanted attention from men do it because they are fearful or they don't have enough assertiveness to deal with those unwanted attention. There are guys here who are also complaining about unwanted attention from ugly women. Just be assertive enough and remove the fear.

Education is required because when fear is involved the person doesn't think objectively, he is irrational. To me there is no good reason to remove the attraction from gay dudes, there is more profit to let gay dudes hit on us. All the request comes from fear or lack of assertiveness (lazyness) or ignorance.

edit: The main thing I want here is to remove the statement that deals with the unwanted attention, it doesn't mean we will enjoy the attention or become gay. It's a limitation just as the limitation about age.
here is the the part in the BIABW script:
"If I am male, I now project an extremely powerful aura which completely, obviously and continuously prevents and removes all forms of unwanted attention and interest from other males."
This is a big limitation to me, and it may also create problems with your males friendship. If I read that correctly it says all forms, it may well create some limitation with friendship.

Shannon won't be doing separate subs. He already stated it cause it takes time to record different versions.

With the gay men thing, trust me, I am very open-minded and support any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity. People can do whatever they like as long as all parties are consenting. However I've had instances when I was out, guys would make moves and it's really uncomfortable. I don't care if it's verbal flirting, but being really physical freaks me out. I am really assertive and tell them to stop, but I'm still creeped out. I guess a lot of it has come from bad experiences in school where there were gay kids who would make inappropriate moves and bully other guys including myself. So every time something happens, negative thoughts resurface.

I vote to repel the genders that we aren't sexually attracted to. I really don't think it would affect or lessen female attraction that much to be honest.

Shannon also has to think about his future customers and the ones that don't write much or at all in the forum. Sooo, if let's say 11 out of 9 say they like being checked out and fantasized by men, that really doesn't say much.

And I would like to add that making women extremely wet and this stuff is just perverted and no healthy man would want that. We still want to live our normal lifes and have normal interactions. Not everyone is desperate.

I find how Shannon described it is how it should be "become as sexy and attractive as you can be". Of course without things going out if control which will just backfire.

Unconditional love, gratitude, deservedness and any other positive and healthy additions are always good.

(05-26-2016, 04:50 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: It's not what I mean here, I didn't say to enjoy it but to not be fearful about it. Or the see the attention from gay men as something positive because it means you are attractive, it doesn't mean that you are going to spend time with them. You just tell them you are not interested.
To me the main reason people are asking to remove unwanted attention from men do it because they are fearful or they don't have enough assertiveness to deal with those unwanted attention. There are guys here who are also complaining about unwanted attention from ugly women. Just be assertive enough and remove the fear.

Education is required because when fear is involved the person doesn't think objectively, he is irrational. To me there is no good reason to remove the attraction from gay dudes, there is more profit to let gay dudes hit on us. All the request comes from fear or lack of assertiveness (lazyness) or ignorance.

I'm not fearful, and I have a few gay male friends. I'm in no need of education, thanks.

Try to fit in as many of CatMan's suggestions as possible please Shannon (mainly the abundance mindset and girls becoming addicted part :p)! Reading it, I totally thought it read like a mini AM/SM combo, but that's GREAT for people who haven't done the full 6 stage programs.

The only thing that I could add would be to KNOW either psychically or on an energetic level that the girl (in my case) wants to have sex. Also, knowing if they are dominant or submissive would be nice. And DEFINITELY adding in manifestations of a wide variety of hot girls (again, in my case) to quickly and effortlessly come into your life as lovers, FWBs, and MLTRs (They constantly approach you too). I think that's the biggest thing

If the manifestations I suggested are added in, I know I will totally get this sometime down the line!

Edit: Also, if you could make it so that the fully accomplished goals of the program rewrite our past memories to make us believe that we've always been that sexy and hot and attractive, that'd be awesome too! I know you said you were working on that technology somewhere.

(05-26-2016, 04:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Shannon won't be doing separate subs. He already stated it cause it takes time to record different versions.

With the gay men thing, trust me, I am very open-minded and support any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity. People can do whatever they like as long as all parties are consenting. However I've had instances when I was out, guys would make moves and it's really uncomfortable. I don't care if it's verbal flirting, but being really physical freaks me out. I am really assertive and tell them to stop, but I'm still creeped out. I guess a lot of it has come from bad experiences in school where there were gay kids who would make inappropriate moves and bully other guys including myself. So every time something happens, negative thoughts resurface.

I vote to repel the genders that we aren't sexually attracted to. I really don't think it would affect or lessen female attraction that much to be honest.

When he did OF and OGSF he said it was a minor change to the script, which didn't take long. Surely this change would also be fairly minor.

I agree about discouraging interest from men when you aren't interested in them though. It has nothing to do with fear at all: It's just unpleasant and a waste of everyone's time. And if some women are less attracted to me because I'm not embracing my gay side, or getting enough social proof from adoring gay men, I couldn't give a damn personally. I'm better off without women like that.

(05-26-2016, 04:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Shannon won't be doing separate subs. He already stated it cause it takes time to record different versions.

With the gay men thing, trust me, I am very open-minded and support any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity. People can do whatever they like as long as all parties are consenting. However I've had instances when I was out, guys would make moves and it's really uncomfortable. I don't care if it's verbal flirting, but being really physical freaks me out. I am really assertive and tell them to stop, but I'm still creeped out. I guess a lot of it has come from bad experiences in school where there were gay kids who would make inappropriate moves and bully other guys including myself. So every time something happens, negative thoughts resurface.

I vote to repel the genders that we aren't sexually attracted to. I really don't think it would affect or lessen female attraction that much to be honest.

"Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.

(05-26-2016, 05:15 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: "Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.

You can be freaked out by something without being scared of it. Like I said before, obese women with moustaches create no fear in me whatsoever, but the thought of sleeping with one would freak me out.

I don't understand why is it so difficult to say, "No, I am not interested." And move on. Not that anybody is going to break into your house and rape you. lol

(05-26-2016, 05:07 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-26-2016, 04:54 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: Shannon won't be doing separate subs. He already stated it cause it takes time to record different versions.

With the gay men thing, trust me, I am very open-minded and support any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity. People can do whatever they like as long as all parties are consenting. However I've had instances when I was out, guys would make moves and it's really uncomfortable. I don't care if it's verbal flirting, but being really physical freaks me out. I am really assertive and tell them to stop, but I'm still creeped out. I guess a lot of it has come from bad experiences in school where there were gay kids who would make inappropriate moves and bully other guys including myself. So every time something happens, negative thoughts resurface.

I vote to repel the genders that we aren't sexually attracted to. I really don't think it would affect or lessen female attraction that much to be honest.

When he did OF and OGSF he said it was a minor change to the script, which didn't take long. Surely this change would also be fairly minor.

I agree about discouraging interest from men when you aren't interested in them though. It has nothing to do with fear at all: It's just unpleasant and a waste of everyone's time. And if some women are less attracted to me because I'm not embracing my gay side, or getting enough social proof from adoring gay men, I couldn't give a damn personally. I'm better off without women like that.

I think the script telling "...sexually attractive to people of the gender I am attracted to" takes already care of this. So if someone isn't attracted to men there will be no interest.

Regarding some other suggestions: The 4G script includes already the follow statement:

I now make myself absolutely irresistible sexy at all levels of my mind, body and emotions and in all ways, to beautiful women.

This should already take care of the details HOW you become sexually attractive.

(05-26-2016, 04:59 AM)SouthPaw Wrote: Shannon also has to think about his future customers and the ones that don't write much or at all in the forum. Sooo, if let's say 11 out of 9 say they like being checked out and fantasized by men, that really doesn't say much.

And I would like to add that making women extremely wet and this stuff is just perverted and no healthy man would want that. We still want to live our normal lifes and have normal interactions. Not everyone is desperate.

I find how Shannon described it is how it should be "become as sexy and attractive as you can be". Of course without things going out if control which will just backfire.

Unconditional love, gratitude, deservedness and any other positive and healthy additions are always good.

You are derailing the subject or you doesn't understand. No one say they liked being checked out and it's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is to make the sub less bloated and remove a limitation. The goal of the sub to begin with is not to remove unwanted attention from males, it's about being sexy/attractive. If I go even further Shannon could create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from males but I don't think he has the time and most people would be able to deal with it without any sub because it is a trivial thing to being with.

Edit:
A question someone could ask himself is the following: if Shannon would create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from men would you use it, would you waste your time with that when you could use another sub?

I agree about discouraging interest from men,because it is a waste
of time when you have women on your mind,I think thats the ticket,focus on attracting women would be good but you know however Shannon makes it,we'll buy it!

(05-26-2016, 05:23 AM)Multiworld Wrote: I agree about discouraging interest from men,because it is a waste
of time when you have women on your mind,I think thats the ticket,focus on attracting women would be good but you know however Shannon makes it,we'll buy it!

I like your signature about imagination. Too bad I cant visualize or imagine. Thats why I am trying to get Shannon to produce a sub built to develop one's imagination. Man the things I'dbe able to do if I had an imagination. I think it would be amazing. When I was able to, I once visualized something then my mind kept on repeating " I am wonderful & perfect ". I was putting off good vibes because my mom would start complimenting me over things I was doing likew washing the dishes, then my sister started smiling at me. Then my mind ws affirming " People like me ". Then I was in such a good mood that I started thinking about everything I want to accomplish. All we need is positive thoughts to get women to like us.