Subliminal Talk

Q I would have agreed with you about 1 month ago. Since my last stage of WM2 I have approached beautiful women and beautiful women have approached me.
I know a lot of tthe women I approached were interested initially, I also know a lot of the women who approached me were also interested in me.

Results :
It went nowhere, a lot of those women have my facebook, most of them I talked to, almost all of them behaved like they are not even interested with talking with me. Some haven't accepted my friend request, one I know for sure that she couldn't stop looking at me before I made any move on her. Now she pretend like she is not interested when she sees me, though I think she still look from time to time.

The girls I don't approach because they aren't pretty enough still keep looking and can't have enough of it. I live in a small area so I can often see the same girl in clubs if they go there often.


I'm not sure why but it's like when I make a move they lose interest or pretend to lose it.

The worst in that is that some women who are in couple are still interested in me, I guess they are because they know I'm not going to do anything since they are already taken.

I guess its fear or any other negative emotions is playing on them heavily.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid or WM2 is not fully working. or I have to be more aggressive

So in my opinion it's not about approachability, it's not just that.

One day you see a woman fully on while you are around, she get all red while talking with you, she follow you around in the club, she talks with you very well, she looks at you every time, , next day you add her on facebook and she doesn't even answer your text or barely do it.
Maybe I should ask if they want to fu** directly, at least they won't get bored.

Women are complex for sure, the number of times I thought this is it but nope it wasn't.

Quote:This is old, but if using universal love / heart energy is not compatible with the goals of this sub

The other day a female acquaintance was talking about how she met a sexy guy and she simply couldn't keep him out of his mind. She thought he did something strange to her as she kept getting plagued by the thoughts of him.
Then she said something along those lines: "Thankfully I just have naughty feelings for him, so it's easy to deal with. If they were sweet feelings I really don't know what I'd do.... I'd have to chase him".

This made me think hard and I was wondering if love isn't what truly touch women and make them interested as fuck. Love tend to make human very weak and vulnerable.

(05-20-2018, 04:44 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:This is old, but if using universal love / heart energy is not compatible with the goals of this sub

The other day a female acquaintance was talking about how she met a sexy guy and she simply couldn't keep him out of his mind. She thought he did something strange to her as she kept getting plagued by the thoughts of him.
Then she said something along those lines: "Thankfully I just have naughty feelings for him, so it's easy to deal with. If they were sweet feelings I really don't know what I'd do.... I'd have to chase him".

This made me think hard and I was wondering if love isn't what truly touch women and make them interested as ****. Love tend to make human very weak and vulnerable.

Yeah Love energy is super powerful especially unconditional love. Nothing more powerful than to hold a frame of genuine unconditional love towards self and others, no matter what is going on. That is true power.

Watch and see, when Shannon decides down the line to create something like DMSI but based on LOVE. You'll all see the difference.

I just wish Shannon read more Abraham Hicks books, like:

"Ask And It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks"

"The Vortex: Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships"

I know he could improve his subliminal's and prevent resistance in people if he fully understood the Abraham Hicks teachings.

I feel that Shannon's cup is full and would dismiss a different way of looking at things, unfortunately.

From Shannon old journals, he said he already used the word love in his earliest script and it backfired heavily, it didn't worked as expected according to what I read.
This is really old stuff from what I remember it was maybe around 2012 that he wrote about that, maybe even earlier.

(05-15-2018, 11:10 AM)Rex Wrote: [ -> ]Dmsi is a failure. Nothing is happening on this thing. All that hype about the wall and it did nothing.

You make me laugh, Rex. DMSI is a failure because you chose not to execute the script? No, DMSI is a work in progress. Failure is only possible when you stop trying to succeed. Maybe want to consider that.

(05-19-2018, 01:25 PM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-15-2018, 11:10 AM)Rex Wrote: [ -> ]Dmsi is a failure. Nothing is happening on this thing. All that hype about the wall and it did nothing.

IMHO, the sub needs to focus much more on the 'approachability' factor of the user, rather than increasing the sexual irresistibility more than it already is in the sub. In day-to-day life, we sometimes meet very (sexually) attractive people, but we do not approach them. Why not? for a number of reasons - fear, feeling intimidated, getting the feeling that they would not be interested, etc. Increasing the 'approachability' factor of the users should help towards the goal of this sub

This is old, but if using universal love / heart energy is not compatible with the goals of this sub, then try anything else to make the user seem welcoming, approachable & appreciative of being 'hit-on'.

Some time ago, there was heated discussion (when some members got banned) about the direction that DMSI was going. I am with the simplification camp - e.g. does it really need masturbation-inhibiting instructions? Some men already have guilt and irrational subconscious ideas about masturbation already? Why add more arguments about masturbation to their subconscious?

DMSI doesn't do anything but block people from escaping the goals of DMSI using masturbation. No "arguments" involved.

(05-21-2018, 07:44 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2018, 04:44 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:This is old, but if using universal love / heart energy is not compatible with the goals of this sub

The other day a female acquaintance was talking about how she met a sexy guy and she simply couldn't keep him out of his mind. She thought he did something strange to her as she kept getting plagued by the thoughts of him.
Then she said something along those lines: "Thankfully I just have naughty feelings for him, so it's easy to deal with. If they were sweet feelings I really don't know what I'd do.... I'd have to chase him".

This made me think hard and I was wondering if love isn't what truly touch women and make them interested as ****. Love tend to make human very weak and vulnerable.

Yeah Love energy is super powerful especially unconditional love. Nothing more powerful than to hold a frame of genuine unconditional love towards self and others, no matter what is going on. That is true power.

Watch and see, when Shannon decides down the line to create something like DMSI but based on LOVE. You'll all see the difference.

I just wish Shannon read more Abraham Hicks books, like:

"Ask And It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks"

"The Vortex: Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships"

I know he could improve his subliminal's and prevent resistance in people if he fully understood the Abraham Hicks teachings.

I feel that Shannon's cup is full and would dismiss a different way of looking at things, unfortunately.

Point #1: DMSI is about sex. Sex and love are not the same thing. You can include love in some types of sex, and it isn't part of others. This program isn't about love. The goal is erotic sex. Not romantic sex.

Point #2: The program already gives instructions for you to use the optimus engine to modulate the aura to make yourself approachable in whatever ways are required by the individual being affected.

Point #3: Abraham Hicks isn't the only game out there. I've also studied the teachings of Michael and Seth, among others. That does not mean that their teachings are always useful in cases like this, or that they are not already being used. What is useful is being used; what is not, is not. I take inspiration from many sources, but only use what is useful.

Quote:Point #1: DMSI is about sex. Sex and love are not the same thing. You can include love in some types of sex, and it isn't part of others. This program isn't about love. The goal is erotic sex. Not romantic sex.

But love inevitably leads to sex, right ? I mean, when there's love, down the road there's sex always.
That's a mean to sex so why wouldn't DMSI use it ?
I don't think it's that absurd to include such parameter, especially for women that NEEDS love to open themselves.

Btw I've just read the testimonial of the guy that had the most successful AoS/BIATBW results and he reports women falling in love with him a lot. And fast. Doesn't that contribute to his success ?

Also I've been wondering. DMSI is about sex and only sex, right ? Don't women that flake on guys like JackOfHearts described, do so because, well they don't give a fuck ? I mean in this day and age it's soooo easy to find an outlet for sexual satisfaction, especially when you're female. Don't they flake because they know they can get sex with XYZ other men anytime they want ? So why going all the way for JackOfHearts instead of X, Y or Z that are already in the "sweet spot" zone and that do not require any deep shit to get laid with ?
So it seems they don't have any good reason to "go all the way" for Jack...Otherwise they would, right ?

Now when it comes to love...good luck finding an outlet for the man that touch you in the heart...And same thing for men of course.
Just some thoughts.

(05-21-2018, 01:58 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Point #1: DMSI is about sex. Sex and love are not the same thing. You can include love in some types of sex, and it isn't part of others. This program isn't about love. The goal is erotic sex. Not romantic sex.

But love inevitably leads to sex, right ? I mean, when there's love, down the road there's sex always.

No. There's not. There are forms of love that have absolutely nothing to do with sex, even between people who are not blood related or a gender preference mismatch.

You can fall in love with someone in a purely romantic sense, and never have sex get involved. You can have romance and sex combined... and you can have purely erotic love that results in sex, but no romance. I know this from personal experience.

Quote:That's a mean to sex so why wouldn't DMSI use it ?

Because it's not a means to sex. It can be combined with sexual love, but romance != sex.

Quote:I don't think it's that absurd to include such parameter, especially for women that NEEDS love to open themselves.

Women don't need love to open themselves. Most of them prefer it, but it is not necessary for sex to happen, and for you to be laboring under this delusion is almost comical given how readily available and repeated proof to the contrary is all around you.

Quote:Btw I've just read the testimonial of the guy that had the most successful AoS/BIATBW results and he reports women falling in love with him a lot. And fast. Doesn't that contribute to his success ?

It may or may not increase the responses of women to have sex if we include romance. But guess what? This program isn't aimed at romance, it's aimed at achieving pure, raw sexual attraction. Thus the name: Develop Maximum SEXUAL Irresistibility.

Quote:Also I've been wondering. DMSI is about sex and only sex, right ? Don't women that flake on guys like JackOfHearts described, do so because, well they don't give a **** ? I mean in this day and age it's soooo easy to find an outlet for sexual satisfaction, especially when you're female. Don't they flake because they know they can get sex with XYZ other men anytime they want ? So why going all the way for JackOfHearts instead of X, Y or Z that are already in the "sweet spot" zone and that do not require any deep shit to get laid with ?

Women flake for a lot of reasons, the cheifest among them being that they can. Nobody penalizes them, and any attempt to do so fails because there's always another dick waiting in line. They get what they want regardless. Has nothing to do with DMSI. DMSI is setting you up to be that special someone she can't find again, and knows it - and therefore values, and indulges her desires to have sex with. Provided, of course, that we execute.

Quote:So it seems they don't have any good reason to "go all the way" for Jack...Otherwise they would, right ?

That's man-think for you. Black and white over-simplification of a very shades of gray complex situation. There can be a thousand and one reasons, and they don't have to make any logical sense at all. I have been working on an aphrodisiac for 15+ years now, and there are literally hundreds of factors that I have discovered that factor into her decision to have sex with him or not. Even with this program adjusting all of them to what they need to be, I still cannot get it to work consistently. Why? Because even though we have found and decoded hundreds of factors, there are still more I have not found and dealt with yet.

Quote:Now when it comes to love...good luck finding an outlet for the man that touch you in the heart...And same thing for men of course.
Just some thoughts.

There may or may not be a version of DMSI that includes or focuses on romance, but if there is, it will not happen until after DMSI is finished. That is a significant re-write of the script.

(05-21-2018, 04:28 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]and for you to be laboring under this delusion is almost comical given how readily available and repeated proof to the contrary is all around you.

That's my line... We aren't observing the same proofs then...You're the one mentioning black and white thinking and yet you state a lot of absolutes in your posts. Not all women are alike. I am not a womanizer but I know this much.

I am just saying covering both fronts (love and sex) is likely to score more points then just one.
DMSI focuses on sex only and as we are seeing it isn't enough to generate genuine interest in the targets. If women see a DMSI user as just another walking dick no wonder they flake or make no effort at all to genuinely connect. Of course there's fear and so many other reasons but sometimes it can be because they lack any genuine interest. "meh it's just another dick. Why would I go outta my way to chase? ".
Something like that... Does that sounds crazy?

If Romance isn't compatible with DMSI then anything else that helps to connect is better... It's just that love is a powerful and driving energy.

Not sure about a Romance only DMSI, I don't see the point of excluding sex all together.

I guess what darkplouf trying to say is, if love with x can result to sex then use it. That’s it. He is not saying to include any romance enhancing or such. Just simple factor, and love does lead to sex most times, at least the sexual love. Like love with sexual attraction that kind.

He’s saying since you added so many factors that can help achieve the goal like anxiety relief etc etc. same with the right love it can help significantly achieve the goal.

Exactly that was the point, thanks Samba. If love can help (and I can totally see how it can in many ways and cases) then it's not an absurd idea.

I agree and disagree at the same time

First I think there is a different definition of love we are using, or we see it as something completely different.

I have seen from experience that some girls actually prefer sex than love because they are more afraid of love than sex. For some it's the opposite they are more afraid of sex.
There is also the confusion that sex is the same thing as love for some girls or guys.
When you see "100 of girls falling in love" for a guy, that's not love. At least to me, that's sex, power or attractiveness, most of those girls don't know the guy, they haven't tasted him so they can't know if they love him or not.
It's a bit like eating to me, you see a dish, you think it must taste great as it's very appealing to your senses, sight and smell. But when you actually taste the thing that's something entirely different. Loving that food would require that you find the food so awesome that you can keep coming back for it over a long period of time. But it would also mean you love the taste and appreciate that type of food for it's quality, refinement, etc. Sex would be more like eating the thing just for the energy in an animalistic way, so it doesn't really matter if you love it or not as long as you get the high energy from it, like coffee for example or any type of food that give you high energy.

Love for me would be that hight state that you have when you really know someone very well and keep coming back to him despite some of his shortcomings. Romance would be the first step of love, you start meeting someone that you don't really know yet but you can connect to him on a romantic level, it would be more like an appreciation of someone, liking spending good quality time with someone.

Based on that definition that you may not agree with, I think some girls due to their personality can't handle love or romance as they are more loner type personality that don't enjoy spending time with someone. So they would prefer the purely animalistic connexion.

But back to the argument. I think DarkPlouf meant romance not love. I can agree that romance can often be the lead to sex. It's one of the reason I have been using WM2. Though it's also limiting if you are only going for sex. Some people aren't wired to have romance, so using romance as a lead to sex wouldn't work for those.
The main problem I think is the societal belief system that was put on others to make them think romance is needed for sex to occur.
So I would tend to think that you would meet less people that are both able to have romance and sex, as it's 2 skills not just one.

Then there is also the question "do you really want sex or are you looking more for romance?"

Quote:Love energy is super powerful especially unconditional love. Nothing more powerful than to hold a frame of genuine unconditional love towards self and others, no matter what is going on. That is true power.

I think it's some kind of hypnosis state or a really high state you get from years of practice if it's really genuine. I would think it's more delusion than anything though.
If it's not delusion you are someone really special that have attained that state of unconditional love, you wouldn't be on that forum
I tend to think it's not possible though but maybe I'm too rational for that kind of unconditional stuff. For example it would assume something is not changeable, that it's perfect, that's it is immutable, hence why I think it's delusion, nothing is perfect on this earth and bound to change or evolve. So "unconditional love" maybe a day of unconditional love for someone, if you can achieve that state for a day, then you would go in other state like "unconditional hate"

(05-21-2018, 05:21 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-21-2018, 04:28 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]and for you to be laboring under this delusion is almost comical given how readily available and repeated proof to the contrary is all around you.

That's my line... We aren't observing the same proofs then...You're the one mentioning black and white thinking and yet you state a lot of absolutes in your posts. Not all women are alike. I am not a womanizer but I know this much.

I am just saying covering both fronts (love and sex) is likely to score more points then just one.
DMSI focuses on sex only and as we are seeing it isn't enough to generate genuine interest in the targets. If women see a DMSI user as just another walking dick no wonder they flake or make no effort at all to genuinely connect. Of course there's fear and so many other reasons but sometimes it can be because they lack any genuine interest. "meh it's just another dick. Why would I go outta my way to chase? ".
Something like that... Does that sounds crazy?

If Romance isn't compatible with DMSI then anything else that helps to connect is better... It's just that love is a powerful and driving energy.

Not sure about a Romance only DMSI, I don't see the point of excluding sex all together.

It sounds to me like you are wanting to introduce romance to take advantage of people sexually. If the goal isn't romance and sex, then that's what you're essentially doing. I'm not down with that.

DMSI is designed the way it is because it's not promising the affected X (in this case romance) and then taking advantage of them for Y (sex). It's designed to get the affected to want to have sex with you so much that they try to. And it doesn't include romance because that was not the design goal and will require a lot of adjustment to the script. I'm not going to spend another year or two on DMSI.

What we are dealing with is fear of achieving the goal. From the users and those being affected. The issue isn't love or romance. It's fear.