(01-03-2021, 09:50 AM)dragonslayer Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2021, 09:27 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2021, 09:05 AM)dragonslayer Wrote: [ -> ]@Zane I'm new here. I was going to use BASE first then UMS then OF because BASE has MSL.
And it sounds like from reading the product description that UMS has MSL too.
And OF in order to remove all fears.
But you say because of inner issues MSL didn't work well as you expected?
In that case, what would you have done first on fixing yourself? LTU?
Since yesterday, I've actually been leaning more towards getting LTU first then do OF or BASE, UMS.
LTU because I have a lot of inner issues to work on fixing myself.
But I love learning and that's the one of the reasons I wanted to do BASE because I wanted to learn so many things while being successful in learning to become an entrepreneur thereby fixing outer issues such as finances & career.
I still have 30 days to start one of IML's subs because I just stopped listening to a competitor's products for 11 days.
Welcome to IML, @dragonslayer! I haven't seen Zane around for awhile, but he may respond. If you don't mind, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
If I were in your shoes, I'd purchase OF V2 5.75.5G. It's the latest tech, and I own and use it, myself. It is really smooth, and very effective. In just the short time I've been using it, it has effectively killed my anxiety (which, at times, is substantial). I think using it will help pave the way for you to use and execute just about any subliminal in the future.
It's my understanding that UMS does not contain MLS. I could be wrong, but I think MLS 5G is the last iteration of MLS.
BASE & MLS are older technology, and since you stated you are interested in UMS, I wanted to make you aware that UMS V2 will be coming out sometime in the near future. In may be 6 or 8 months away, so really, running OF V2 for the required 8 months and then switching to UMS V2 when that is released (as a multi-stage program this time) would probably be your best bet.
Good luck, and please journal for whichever path you decide to take!
@RTBoss thanks for replying.
Bro you just mentioned one of my inner issues, anxiety.
Mine was so bad, I used alcohol as a crutch to talk to girls.
Then I became an alcoholic.
Went through aa and haven't drank for 3 years now.
But my anxiety is my #1 inner issue along with guilt, shame, procrastination, anger, victim mentality, insomnia, feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, not good enough, etc.
That's why I've been leaning more towards LTU especially how everyone here says it's the best along with OF.
And that LTU and OF seems to be a foundation for fixing oneself before fixing how one relates, finances, career, etc..
Isn't OF in LTU?
So I should run OF, then LTU, then UMS v2 when it comes out, @RTBoss?
Thanks for the heads up with UMS V2.
Isn't the price for LTU going to increase?
I want to grab it while it's still $600.
I'm trying to understand all the concepts & lingo here... so getting the latest tech that a subliminal is in, then running it is better?
Do you have UMS v1? If you bought it, and want to buy UMS V2, is the price for UMSv2 discounted to you?
Hey dude, welcome to the forum!
I'm running OF V2 myself. Been using it since it came out.
It's a fantastic program, big step up from even OF V1.
OF (V1) is in LTU, yes. But LTU is trying to do many things at once, eventually it will increase in price yes. LTU is still a very solid program, but focusing on one thing is always more effective in that one area, than trying to do one thing as well as a dozen others. OF V2 hands down is a solid base to build on, it's no joke I promise you.
Get OF V2 now, stick to it. It'll serve you well long term, by removing barriers to future program's success. Who knows, it's likely that with enough OF V2, you won't even NEED some future programs.
It's a gamechanger. Believe me. I pushed for OF V2 to be made for a reason, it's no joke!
Welcome again to the forum. All the best!
(01-03-2021, 09:50 AM)dragonslayer Wrote: [ -> ]@RTBoss thanks for replying.
Bro you just mentioned one of my inner issues, anxiety.
Mine was so bad, I used alcohol as a crutch to talk to girls.
Then I became an alcoholic.
Went through aa and haven't drank for 3 years now.
But my anxiety is my #1 inner issue along with guilt, shame, procrastination, anger, victim mentality, insomnia, feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, not good enough, etc.
That's why I've been leaning more towards LTU especially how everyone here says it's the best along with OF.
And that LTU and OF seems to be a foundation for fixing oneself before fixing how one relates, finances, career, etc..
Isn't OF in LTU?
So I should run OF, then LTU, then UMS v2 when it comes out, @RTBoss?
Thanks for the heads up with UMS V2.
Isn't the price for LTU going to increase?
I want to grab it while it's still $600.
I'm trying to understand all the concepts & lingo here... so getting the latest tech that a subliminal is in, then running it is better?
Do you have UMS v1? If you bought it, and want to buy UMS V2, is the price for UMSv2 discounted to you?
Congratulations on your sobriety!
OF V2 will kill your anxiety
within minutes. If anxiety is your #1 issue, it's a no-brainer.
I don't necessarily recommend running OF V2 alongside LTU6. I'm doing it out of necessity. I'm hoping that when I start running Stage 6 of LTU, OF V2 won't be necessary.
Go ahead and pick up OF V2 and LTU6, both. Run OF V2 for the next 8 months, keep up on LTU and OF journals, and then make the decision for your next program as you near the end of your OF V2 run.
Getting the latest tech was touch and go there for awhile, because Shannon has been spending years developing the tech from 5G to 6G. So 5.5G was definitely hit n' miss there for awhile, 5.75G was better, but now 5.75.5G is the big step-up Shannon's subs really needed. Many more people will execute without resistance, and let me tell you, if you have anger/anxiety issues, resistance could be a
bitch.
I don't own UMS, because I was using USLM 4.0/4.1 at the time, and decided to watch the journals. Journals were hit n' miss. Some people really enjoyed the program, others got nothing out of it. I'm certain that UMS V2 will put UMS V1 to shame.
Don't hesitate to keep asking questions, and if you need, you can always PM me.
welcome to the forum,
I guess before starting something like BASE or anything, it is better to use OF or LTU as a foundation. it is really wiser do start a foundation healing-clearing sub like OFv2 or LTU.
Because any other sub will effect you much better and effective if you have overcome a bit of fear and quilty.
I haven't been around for a while but now that I am here.. I will say this.
Fear..
Dig up the fear, remove it and then heal it.
If I were in your shoes.. I would start from OF-Sub.
Once you do that... Then nothing will be able to stop you from achieving what you want.
Hello and welcome!
Quote:my anxiety is my #1 inner issue
[...]
Isn't OF in LTU?
As everyone said already: I recommend stand-alone OF and nothing but OF for now. Keep 100% of the energy and focus on killing that fear and anxiety. You’ll have a clean slate to build upon after that and much better results with any other program.
As for your other questions:
Quote:So I should run OF, then LTU, then UMS v2 when it comes out, @RTBoss?
The general agreement is that you will probably change so much with OF that you cannot know now what you will want after that.
Quote:Isn't the price for LTU going to increase?
I want to grab it while it's still $600.
It is but not any time soon and there should be a warning before it happens. Of course you could buy it in the near future anyway and lock in the price for sure. Since it’s still being developed, it’s the very latest technology, it won’t be obsolete any time soon.
It is an amazing program, I am running it now, the only downside is that it splits its energy on many fronts. If you know you have some strong issues to deal with first, I think it’s wiser to do another program first to clear those issues.
Especially fear!
Quote:getting the latest tech that a subliminal is in, then running it is better?
Much better: 5.75 was a huge step forward and 5.75.5, which came out just a few days ago, seems to be another amazing step forward.
Quote:Do you have UMS v1? If you bought it, and want to buy UMS V2, is the price for UMSv2 discounted to you?
As a general rule, no, you pay full price for any update, unless there were problems with one version or some other exceptional circumstance.
(01-03-2021, 02:11 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been around for a while but now that I am here.. I will say this.
Fear..
Dig up the fear, remove it and then heal it.
If I were in your shoes.. I would start from OF-Sub.
Once you do that... Then nothing will be able to stop you from achieving what you want.
So I pirated MLS 5.75.6 G and used it for days but since ap was there I decided to buy and finally bought it. It's my day 3 (after buying)with MLS 4.0 5.75.6 G but I feel like pressure In my head. I am getting results but I feel some form of resistance. I am using Hybrid Ocean surf track. Is this common?? And I don't know how to start a journal so I commented about my problem here. Sry for this. Can I know why is that happening? It's feels like subconscious is resisting change and at the same time trying to execute the script. Don't know what to do? Or anyone who read my post. Can u give ur opinion
(07-18-2021, 12:36 AM)Student Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2021, 02:11 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been around for a while but now that I am here.. I will say this.
Fear..
Dig up the fear, remove it and then heal it.
If I were in your shoes.. I would start from OF-Sub.
Once you do that... Then nothing will be able to stop you from achieving what you want.
So I pirated MLS 5.75.6 G and used it for days but since ap was there I decided to buy and finally bought it. It's my day 3 (after buying)with MLS 4.0 5.75.6 G but I feel like pressure In my head. I am getting results but I feel some form of resistance. I am using Hybrid Ocean surf track. Is this common?? And I don't know how to start a journal so I commented about my problem here. Sry for this. Can I know why is that happening? It's feels like subconscious is resisting change and at the same time trying to execute the script. Don't know what to do? Or anyone who read my post. Can u give ur opinion
"Pressure in my head" is a common occurrence with some people here in how they describe subliminals affecting them - especially with these latest generation subliminals, like MLS 4. It should eventually go away with continued usage.
To create a journal, go to the Men's or Family & Work Safe journals, click the "New Thread" button at the bottom of the page, and title your new thread - in the same manner you created this thread.
(07-18-2021, 07:40 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2021, 12:36 AM)Student Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2021, 02:11 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been around for a while but now that I am here.. I will say this.
Fear..
Dig up the fear, remove it and then heal it.
If I were in your shoes.. I would start from OF-Sub.
Once you do that... Then nothing will be able to stop you from achieving what you want.
So I pirated MLS 5.75.6 G and used it for days but since ap was there I decided to buy and finally bought it. It's my day 3 (after buying)with MLS 4.0 5.75.6 G but I feel like pressure In my head. I am getting results but I feel some form of resistance. I am using Hybrid Ocean surf track. Is this common?? And I don't know how to start a journal so I commented about my problem here. Sry for this. Can I know why is that happening? It's feels like subconscious is resisting change and at the same time trying to execute the script. Don't know what to do? Or anyone who read my post. Can u give ur opinion
"Pressure in my head" is a common occurrence with some people here in how they describe subliminals affecting them - especially with these latest generation subliminals, like MLS 4. It should eventually go away with continued usage.
To create a journal, go to the Men's or Family & Work Safe journals, click the "New Thread" button at the bottom of the page, and title your new thread - in the same manner you created this thread.
Thank you. And the pressure on my head went away after I took rest and then I performed a test which went very well. Not expected
Have anyone of u felt with the MLS like getting high energy feeling in initial use(like 2-3 days) and then like it started working normally and gave firm results later on. On first day use stimuli I got was awesome
but later on I didn't feel that way but it is working normally like I am not getting that extra energy