Coming to the conclusion that I DESPERATELY need to run E2. My neediness is at an all time high. Been seeing the girl I mentioned earlier in this thread for 3ish months, and I feel like she's backed off... I'm fucking miserable and am literally in pain waiting for her to respond whether she's free tonight. I just don't understand how I seem to keep pushing the girls I like away, it felt like we were getting closer, and then BOOM! she's cold and I don't know why.
I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
Honestly, I don't know if YOU can. These situations I've found generally revolve around, not so much just from personal experience, but knowing tons of girls who do these things to other guys:
1. You doing something that turned her off somehow, neediness etc. So a bit of space is what she is creating. Probably best not to crowd her if this is so, as that will just tend to prove to her that distancing herself was the right choice and will just make her create MORE distance.
2. She met some other guy, and is evaluating him, and backburning-ing you to do so.
3. Some ex has come back around in her life somehow, and is also evaluating him, and is backburning-ing you to do so.
In case 1, best thing to do is distance, also to show your lack of need etc. In the other two, there isn't much you can do, as YOU did nothing wrong. Those are harder to deal with obviously.
I hope things pan out for you, man. You're a great guy that has helped me a lot. You're solid, whether or not she appreciates that.
(05-31-2016, 05:03 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to fuck if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you fucking the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
(05-31-2016, 05:13 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I don't know if YOU can. These situations I've found generally revolve around, not so much just from personal experience, but knowing tons of girls who do these things to other guys:
1. You doing something that turned her off somehow, neediness etc. So a bit of space is what she is creating. Probably best not to crowd her if this is so, as that will just tend to prove to her that distancing herself was the right choice and will just make her create MORE distance.
2. She met some other guy, and is evaluating him, and backburning-ing you to do so.
3. Some ex has come back around in her life somehow, and is also evaluating him, and is backburning-ing you to do so.
In case 1, best thing to do is distance, also to show your lack of need etc. In the other two, there isn't much you can do, as YOU did nothing wrong. Those are harder to deal with obviously.
I hope things pan out for you, man. You're a great guy that has helped me a lot. You're solid, whether or not she appreciates that.
Thanks man. The only thing is that I think there's actually a number 4, autorejection. If her initial reaction of me was that I had a player vibe, and I'm quite sure it was, I also have a slight reputation in the community that we met. Which would have been fine, because we were just sleeping together, but if she started to get feelings, she may have backed off out of fear. My problem is not knowing if its number 1 or 4. In number 1 case, space is great, in number 4 not so much. I know its not numbers 2 or 3, as I recently spoke to a mutual friend who was adamant that she has not dated or hooked up with anyone. And she doesn't have any serious exes to speak of (she is 20)
What I'm thinking of is writing something like this:
"So I'm sensing by your lack of response and interest in meeting up that this has maybe run its course. I am a bit sad, as there was a point there that I felt we were getting closer, and I'm not sure when or why that changed. Anyway, I just wanted to know I think you're an amazing girl. I've loved every moment I've spent with you. I hope you meet a guy who treats you as the wonderful girl you are."
I just feel this covers both base 1 and 4, as for 1, it owns the ending, and shows I can walk away, and for 4 it informs her that I was interested in more than just sex.
(05-31-2016, 07:21 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 05:03 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to **** if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you ***** the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
None of the 3, we never spoke about whether either of us were dating other people, there were no exclusivity or relationship based talks. I didn't make my feelings super clear, I'm affectionate, but I never said anything like "I like you" or anything like that. And no I wasn't up her ass, whenever we met up we would have great sex, chat, and chill. I didn't cling to her or anything.
So I honestly don't know. I did feel needy towards the end, not when I was with her but when I was away from her. But the whole thing is I have no idea why or how it happened, it all seemed super sudden, like she went from telling me she was excited for our plans, to forgetting about those plans saying she'd been crazy busy with work and not getting any sleep, not offering a reschedule, and now when I've finally pitched a meet, she hasn't answered and its now the next day.
(05-31-2016, 10:50 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 07:21 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 05:03 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to **** if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you ***** the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
None of the 3, we never spoke about whether either of us were dating other people, there were no exclusivity or relationship based talks. I didn't make my feelings super clear, I'm affectionate, but I never said anything like "I like you" or anything like that. And no I wasn't up her ass, whenever we met up we would have great sex, chat, and chill. I didn't cling to her or anything.
So I honestly don't know. I did feel needy towards the end, not when I was with her but when I was away from her. But the whole thing is I have no idea why or how it happened, it all seemed super sudden, like she went from telling me she was excited for our plans, to forgetting about those plans saying she'd been crazy busy with work and not getting any sleep, not offering a reschedule, and now when I've finally pitched a meet, she hasn't answered and its now the next day.
The same thing happened when I was on SM last year. Out of the blue she ended it ,
I tried to understand where I could have done better. I barely texted her. I left to herself , I kept my distance , did my own thing. I got her back and then she ended it again after everything going so well.
(05-31-2016, 11:00 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 10:50 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 07:21 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 05:03 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to **** if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you ***** the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
None of the 3, we never spoke about whether either of us were dating other people, there were no exclusivity or relationship based talks. I didn't make my feelings super clear, I'm affectionate, but I never said anything like "I like you" or anything like that. And no I wasn't up her ass, whenever we met up we would have great sex, chat, and chill. I didn't cling to her or anything.
So I honestly don't know. I did feel needy towards the end, not when I was with her but when I was away from her. But the whole thing is I have no idea why or how it happened, it all seemed super sudden, like she went from telling me she was excited for our plans, to forgetting about those plans saying she'd been crazy busy with work and not getting any sleep, not offering a reschedule, and now when I've finally pitched a meet, she hasn't answered and its now the next day.
The same thing happened when I was on SM last year. Out of the blue she ended it ,
I tried to understand where I could have done better. I barely texted her. I left to herself , I kept my distance , did my own thing. I got her back and then she ended it again after everything going so well.
Holy shit I just realised it happened to me in the later stages of my last run of SM too.. Could SM be the factor? Could it sort of put a limiter on the connections made, maybe manifesting girls who are only into the sex and then when you want more they leave?
(05-31-2016, 11:10 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 11:00 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 10:50 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 07:21 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 05:03 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know I'm torn. I know it's what I should do but I also want answers. How am I gonna fix whatever it is I'm doing wrong if I don't know what it is?
1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to **** if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you ***** the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
None of the 3, we never spoke about whether either of us were dating other people, there were no exclusivity or relationship based talks. I didn't make my feelings super clear, I'm affectionate, but I never said anything like "I like you" or anything like that. And no I wasn't up her ass, whenever we met up we would have great sex, chat, and chill. I didn't cling to her or anything.
So I honestly don't know. I did feel needy towards the end, not when I was with her but when I was away from her. But the whole thing is I have no idea why or how it happened, it all seemed super sudden, like she went from telling me she was excited for our plans, to forgetting about those plans saying she'd been crazy busy with work and not getting any sleep, not offering a reschedule, and now when I've finally pitched a meet, she hasn't answered and its now the next day.
The same thing happened when I was on SM last year. Out of the blue she ended it ,
I tried to understand where I could have done better. I barely texted her. I left to herself , I kept my distance , did my own thing. I got her back and then she ended it again after everything going so well.
Holy shit I just realised it happened to me in the later stages of my last run of SM too.. Could SM be the factor? Could it sort of put a limiter on the connections made, maybe manifesting girls who are only into the sex and then when you want more they leave?
Well, I remember Shannon saying SM's job is of course sex and manifesting girls that are into that with you. That interactions will tend to be based around sex. Makes sense then if you've noticed this more than once now, there must be something to it. I guess it's possible to get one of them into a relationship, but it seems predominantly sex will be the center of the interaction. As it should, as that's the focus of the program.
(05-31-2016, 08:42 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 11:10 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 11:00 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 10:50 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 07:21 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: [ -> ]1) Does she know you have other girls in the mix or did you do the "honesty" thing where you told her she is the only one or something equivalently emotional? If you havent then immediately bring new girls into the mix or just tell her you "met someone and you are seeing how it goes" if you dont have any in the mix? She needs to feel that you are a wanted guy that other woman are desperate to **** if that is not the case then you will have to figure out a way to get her to word it to her in a way that her imagination starts running of her imagining you ***** the "someone new you just met".
2) Has she "figured you out" regarding your feelings for her, because if that is the case then that is very satisfying for her and there is no more mystery to solve,if she has and you need to back off immediately.
3) Have you been spending time "up her ass" since you met her? If you have then back off immediately and better yourself in the meanwhile.
If you dont tell us the thing that "you think you did wrong " then we wont know how to help out.
None of the 3, we never spoke about whether either of us were dating other people, there were no exclusivity or relationship based talks. I didn't make my feelings super clear, I'm affectionate, but I never said anything like "I like you" or anything like that. And no I wasn't up her ass, whenever we met up we would have great sex, chat, and chill. I didn't cling to her or anything.
So I honestly don't know. I did feel needy towards the end, not when I was with her but when I was away from her. But the whole thing is I have no idea why or how it happened, it all seemed super sudden, like she went from telling me she was excited for our plans, to forgetting about those plans saying she'd been crazy busy with work and not getting any sleep, not offering a reschedule, and now when I've finally pitched a meet, she hasn't answered and its now the next day.
The same thing happened when I was on SM last year. Out of the blue she ended it ,
I tried to understand where I could have done better. I barely texted her. I left to herself , I kept my distance , did my own thing. I got her back and then she ended it again after everything going so well.
Holy shit I just realised it happened to me in the later stages of my last run of SM too.. Could SM be the factor? Could it sort of put a limiter on the connections made, maybe manifesting girls who are only into the sex and then when you want more they leave?
Well, I remember Shannon saying SM's job is of course sex and manifesting girls that are into that with you. That interactions will tend to be based around sex. Makes sense then if you've noticed this more than once now, there must be something to it. I guess it's possible to get one of them into a relationship, but it seems predominantly sex will be the center of the interaction. As it should, as that's the focus of the program.
That fucking sucks, affection and connection I enjoy more than sex.. Maybe my future will be WM or AOSI.
At this point I really wish I could just stop SM and start E2, like I am grateful that SM helped me attract someone that I was that into, but I can't shake the feeling that I'll never be with anyone who I find as attractive again. From the moment I saw her, she was really my perfect 10.
Did any of you think about that maybe she is getting some feeling build up also. So now she distance herself to not get attached. If I were you I would think that's cool at least you won't get attached more if she distance herself.
(05-31-2016, 11:13 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]At this point I really wish I could just stop SM and start E2, like I am grateful that SM helped me attract someone that I was that into, but I can't shake the feeling that I'll never be with anyone who I find as attractive again. From the moment I saw her, she was really my perfect 10.
How ironic, I'm on E2 and I'd LOVE to have SM3 work on me and hand me a perfect 10, haha.
My point is, the grass is always greener on the other side, friend.
Keep developing yourself, with AM and SM, and you will get girls like that on the regular. She's just a physical representation of your growth so far, and future if you keep improving! Look at her that way. You got a taste of what's to come...now time to get to work!
Well its not over, she finally messaged me back. Seems my friend was right and she really has just been busy/stressed, which I know for some girls can be a real vagina dryer.
Thanks guys for all your support/input.