Subliminal Talk

I got the impression that 6G was a mood or reality changer that you played for a couple of hours and then the change would occur and the whole thing becomes self repeating in your mind. That said you wouldn't need 6 stages.

With the magnets I agree with Catman in that the big scripts should be slimmed down to be more acceptable to the minds. That would also reduce the need for multiple run-throughs.
I agree something like BIATBW should be in every stage of AM. Guys want women and committing to AM for 6 months knowing it's not really going to get you more women is a not good. I was always looking forward to the latter stages of AM where the SM3 lead kicks in. This actually gave me better results than WM in that I certainly got more attention. Perhaps the SM3 lead in could be extended to all stages of AM?

If we want to add stuff we like then we need to also think about taking out statements that are already in the subs. That way we have a net reduction and a more focused and targetted subliminal.

if you think like this catman why you always argued with me that you dont understand why i think am5 is better, you said something like am6 has much more stuff in it which makes it better so i am suprised by your post because am5 has a ten times smaller script

i have also read in your journal that you said you think sm3 is missing some suggestions you need to make it work for you so its pretty confusing your post

(10-09-2015, 08:51 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]if you think like this catman why you always argued with me that you dont understand why i think am5 is better, you said something like am6 has much more stuff in it which makes it better so i am suprised by your post because am5 has a ten times smaller script

i have also read in your journal that you said you think sm3 is missing some suggestions you need to make it work for you so its pretty confusing your post

Hi Dzemoo,

I don't know about "always argued", but my comment above was directed towards the magnets in particular, two programs I feel at present that success is elusive with. Even with 5G and lots of hours per stage. I view the magnets as more difficult to achieve success with than AM, and I think it goes beyond the AM foundation issue. Replacing decades of very limited narrow thinking, painful memories, defeatist faulty ingrained thinking in regards to women and sex seems to be far more difficult to remove and replace than the more easier to remove and replace self-focused issues that AM covers. I feel this is the difference in the success rates, one focuses on you, one focuses outward. The one focused on you seems to be easier to be successful with, the one focused on outward results, will be much more difficult to achieve success with by it's outward-focused nature IMO. With AM6 you can get success with it without really interacting with others for example, it's working on you internally. With the magnets, no matter how it's rationalised, in the end, if you don't have sex with women, it hasn't been a successful run. I think then, by their very purpose, the magnets have a WAY harder task to achieve for you. So, IMO it's paramount to limit the amount of changes to those two program's scripts when 6G occurs, in order to drastically bump up the WPS so all the statements can be spammed a lot more often and we can drastically increase the success rates of the program to the level AM currently enjoys. Otherwise, we run into the issue I described earlier, Shannon getting into a war of attrition with himself. If we keep the script as close as possible to what it is now for each magnet, and dramatically increase the WPS, that will end up being much higher success rates for the first run, as well as less reruns ever needed. That's my approach to it. Only when it's virtually a guarantee to be super successful with the program, should we start adding more modules.

I feel AM6 is a program that at present has very high success rates in comparison to the magnets, and may be open to SOME more material added in to increase it's functionality. I would like more confidence in there as Shannon toned it down for AM6 and I missed the intoxicating ASC 5G confidence I had beforehand as I ran that just before my AM6 run and felt that is a downside of the current program. Besides that confidence boost and EHPRA 2.0 replacing EHPRA 1.0 in every stage being a no-brainer excellent upgrade, I really don't think AM7 would need anything else. AM6 is already a very solid, well built program that has delivered reliable high results from most of this forum. My opinions on the 3 programs, AM6 and WM2 and SM3, and their success rates is just merely by being a member of the forum and viewing the journals over time. I think we can all see the difference in success rates between AM and the magnets.

The magnets and the disparity of success with them compared to AM was my post's focus, Dzemoo. I think me making that slight mention of AM in my post maybe made you believe I was putting AM in the same category as the magnets, hence your post. That isn't the case, I view the magnets as much more difficult to achieve success with in their current form. And that's the reason I think something along the lines of those minimal changes I outlined should be done. Then, they should be left alone and with a much higher WPS figure, those statements will have a much higher success rate and all will benefit. Only then, when success is pretty much guaranteed with the program, should more things be added. I think it's a better approach to do things that way, then continously add things when people aren't getting success reliably yet as is. Get the program hitting homeruns for pretty much everybody, THEN add more modules.

I hope things make more sense now, Dzemoo.

Ricardo- Ya know, I was wondering this exact same thing a few days ago. If 6G's state shifting makes it pretty much instant and then makes that state self-replicating to a degree wouldn't that make it so that there wouldn't really be a need for the magnets to be 6 stages anymore? Also, wouldn't that mean that you wouldn't have to worry about repetitions as much anymore? If this is true then we wouldn't have to worry about adding more things to these programs (not that there's much more that needs to be added imo). Another reason why everyone might not have to worry is that 6G seems to have significantly more words per second processing power than 5G. So, you should still be able to get plenty of repetitions. Lets take the numbers for AM6 for a example:

102,000 words (AM6's master Key script)/ 100 words (roughly 5G's WPS)/ 60 seconds= going through the entire AM6 script in about 17 mins.

102,000 words/ 416 words (the old 6G prototype's WPS)/ 60 seconds= going through the entire AM6 script in about roughly 4 mins.

Mind you this is with the old 6G prototype's words per second. Shannon has already said that the current prototype's WPS is "significantly" more. This would mean that even if lets say you added another 102,000 words of "additions" for AM7 (which I think is overkill by the way) you would still be able to go through the whole script in about 8 mins. Your still getting the whole script 2 times in the time it takes for 5G to get through the entire script 1 time. I understand catman's concern but at the same time given what I wrote above the new WPS and State shifting technology shouldn't make getting the amount of repetitions a concern. I also highly doubt we are even going to get 102,000 words of additions for the programs anyway. Though obviously, any additions made should be in line with the goal of the program its being added to. As a Side note, I believe the lack of success with magnets has more to do with resistance then repetitions honestly. I'm hoping with the state shift technology this issue will be resolved since its already putting you in that state and almost not giving your mind the time to mount resistance towards the suggestions.

(10-09-2015, 01:41 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Ricardo- Ya know, I was wondering this exact same thing a few days ago. If 6G's state shifting makes it pretty much instant and then makes that state self-replicating to a degree wouldn't that make it so that there wouldn't really be a need for the magnets to be 6 stages anymore? Also, wouldn't that mean that you wouldn't have to worry about repetitions as much anymore? If this is true then we wouldn't have to worry about adding more things to these programs (not that there's much more that needs to be added imo).

Yes my point exactly

I don't know about the correlation between more words per second and effectiveness in 6G. I rather formed the idea that the key to 6G is the state of reality you enter into after a short period of time. I don't think you would necessarily need more words per second to cause it. Probably a combination of brainwave states and subliminal.

(10-09-2015, 05:57 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe I'm different,

But I feel we have to be cautious about adding more stuff to the programs. Not only from a conflicting or watering down standpoint, but from a standpoint of ultimate success with the program. I think the success rates would be vastly improved, especially for very difficult to absorb subjects like the magnets for example, if scripts were trimmed down, and/or technology improved while keeping program changes to an absolute bare minimum. That way, each statement is given more repetitions in the same amount of time, allowing for greater chances to integrate the programming and up the success rates.

I think that's the problem Shannon faces. Each generation of technology, people are like "add this, add that, etc. etc.", which ends up increasing the script length if not also watering down the script or conflicting within the script, lowering the amount of possible repetitions in the same amount of time, and essentially Shannon is forced into a constant war of attrition with himself. I believe, that WM does need some work, it needs OGSF implemented in each stage, it needs OE2 implemented or something relative to that in 6G tech. Both WM and SM should have EHPRA 2.0 slated towards confidence with women and sex, erasing past hurts and insecurities and victim mentality and negativity in every form etc. with women and sex, in every stage. Adding EHPRA 2.0 in every stage of the new AM to replace EHPRA 1.0 would be a good move. And naturally, all the 5G techs that can be implemented or 6G's version of such...

Fully agree. Also,in addition OF would be good to be in SM and AM (if not already), in SM slated towards sex in similar fashion as CatMan suggests EPHRA2.0 being used there (if EHPRA2 does not already address that issue itself; fear of sex...tho I think that falls under what CatMan describes as erasing "...negativity in every form", just more specific, common issue ).

(10-09-2015, 01:32 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Dzemoo,

I don't know about "always argued", but my comment above was directed towards the magnets in particular, two programs I feel at present that success is elusive with. Even with 5G and lots of hours per stage. I view the magnets as more difficult to achieve success with than AM, and I think it goes beyond the AM foundation issue.

Yes and there's also the manifestation aspect. Claiming to supply a constant stream of beautiful women to bonk and play with is something that would be nothing short of miraculous. When I look back over the magnet journals I don't really see any evidence of the lifestyle the magnets aim for, or indeed anywhere close. I don't know if 6G will be possible for the magnets but something needs to be done to improve them.
I believe that manifestation is possible when you have a singular/concentrated focus which is why I was always drawn to the AYP's. But to expect a lifetime supply of hot chickas popping up left right and centre is rather far fetched.

(10-09-2015, 01:32 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2015, 08:51 AM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]if you think like this catman why you always argued with me that you dont understand why i think am5 is better, you said something like am6 has much more stuff in it which makes it better so i am suprised by your post because am5 has a ten times smaller script

i have also read in your journal that you said you think sm3 is missing some suggestions you need to make it work for you so its pretty confusing your post

Hi Dzemoo,

I don't know about "always argued", but my comment above was directed towards the magnets in particular, two programs I feel at present that success is elusive with. Even with 5G and lots of hours per stage. I view the magnets as more difficult to achieve success with than AM, and I think it goes beyond the AM foundation issue. Replacing decades of very limited narrow thinking, painful memories, defeatist faulty ingrained thinking in regards to women and sex seems to be far more difficult to remove and replace than the more easier to remove and replace self-focused issues that AM covers. I feel this is the difference in the success rates, one focuses on you, one focuses outward. The one focused on you seems to be easier to be successful with, the one focused on outward results, will be much more difficult to achieve success with by it's outward-focused nature IMO. With AM6 you can get success with it without really interacting with others for example, it's working on you internally. With the magnets, no matter how it's rationalised, in the end, if you don't have sex with women, it hasn't been a successful run. I think then, by their very purpose, the magnets have a WAY harder task to achieve for you. So, IMO it's paramount to limit the amount of changes to those two program's scripts when 6G occurs, in order to drastically bump up the WPS so all the statements can be spammed a lot more often and we can drastically increase the success rates of the program to the level AM currently enjoys. Otherwise, we run into the issue I described earlier, Shannon getting into a war of attrition with himself. If we keep the script as close as possible to what it is now for each magnet, and dramatically increase the WPS, that will end up being much higher success rates for the first run, as well as less reruns ever needed. That's my approach to it. Only when it's virtually a guarantee to be super successful with the program, should we start adding more modules.

I feel AM6 is a program that at present has very high success rates in comparison to the magnets, and may be open to SOME more material added in to increase it's functionality. I would like more confidence in there as Shannon toned it down for AM6 and I missed the intoxicating ASC 5G confidence I had beforehand as I ran that just before my AM6 run and felt that is a downside of the current program. Besides that confidence boost and EHPRA 2.0 replacing EHPRA 1.0 in every stage being a no-brainer excellent upgrade, I really don't think AM7 would need anything else. AM6 is already a very solid, well built program that has delivered reliable high results from most of this forum. My opinions on the 3 programs, AM6 and WM2 and SM3, and their success rates is just merely by being a member of the forum and viewing the journals over time. I think we can all see the difference in success rates between AM and the magnets.

The magnets and the disparity of success with them compared to AM was my post's focus, Dzemoo. I think me making that slight mention of AM in my post maybe made you believe I was putting AM in the same category as the magnets, hence your post. That isn't the case, I view the magnets as much more difficult to achieve success with in their current form. And that's the reason I think something along the lines of those minimal changes I outlined should be done. Then, they should be left alone and with a much higher WPS figure, those statements will have a much higher success rate and all will benefit. Only then, when success is pretty much guaranteed with the program, should more things be added. I think it's a better approach to do things that way, then continously add things when people aren't getting success reliably yet as is. Get the program hitting homeruns for pretty much everybody, THEN add more modules.

I hope things make more sense now, Dzemoo.

yeah it makes sense now , i know what you mean the problem is am is all about inner game and magnets about outer game, where i see a problem is that both programms load in the same region of brain, so when the magnets are actual they am effects fade, i am however skeptical to 6g it seems to unbelieveable for me so we will see what will happen

perhaps shanon doesnt need to put more stuff in them just change and actualize them, maybe do again some research on seduction and woman, maybe the researches he has done to build the magnets are outdated


i would be for it to make only one woman attraction sub based on the priciples of radical inner game

fierce masculinity
approach anxiety destruction
seduction simulation
being cocky and funny with women
sexual mastery

that would be enough

@darth xedonias great explaination makes sense

(10-09-2015, 03:21 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2015, 01:41 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Ricardo- Ya know, I was wondering this exact same thing a few days ago. If 6G's state shifting makes it pretty much instant and then makes that state self-replicating to a degree wouldn't that make it so that there wouldn't really be a need for the magnets to be 6 stages anymore? Also, wouldn't that mean that you wouldn't have to worry about repetitions as much anymore? If this is true then we wouldn't have to worry about adding more things to these programs (not that there's much more that needs to be added imo).

Yes my point exactly

I don't know about the correlation between more words per second and effectiveness in 6G. I rather formed the idea that the key to 6G is the state of reality you enter into after a short period of time. I don't think you would necessarily need more words per second to cause it. Probably a combination of brainwave states and subliminal.

Actually you would be quite right from my understanding about what Shannon has explained about 6G right now. Its seems like the major factor that makes 6G a completely different beast from 5G is the state shifting. If it were simply more WPS then then it would feel like just simply a upgrade instead of being on a totally different level. From what I understand so far the point is that you listen to 6G for about 45mins to an hour. Your state automatically shifts to the state the suggestions are conveying. On top of that the suggestions are loaded into your mind and start replicating. In other words, they start repeating in your own mind , from several hours to to even days for some people, so that you don't even have to listen to the subliminal for a while to get your daily "repetitions". From what i've seen shannon say so far it seemed like some of his testers can keep the suggestions from 24 hours up to several days depending on the person.

This does make me think about how this will affect the magnets though. If the new state becomes the default state after using the Sub for 6 months or so, does that mean the manifestation in magnets become permanent? If I remember correctly on a post I read I think Shannon said that as of now, in 5G, the manifestation part lasts for about 6 months then vanishes soon afterwards. I wonder if state shifting becoming permanent will make the manifestations part of the magnets become permanent.

As for AM7, I'm excited about what this could mean. I remember hearing that Shannon had to go through AM several times until he fully became a fully actualized Transcendent Alpha. If this state shifting works out it could mean men who use it could become self-actualized as transcendent Alphas in a single AM7 run. Granted they would still have to use the sub for however long (6 months or more maybe?) until that state becomes their permanent default state.

Let 6G come out first. Let ASC 6G come out first, so that we can test it, and then we can objectively gauge on how permament, fast and incredible 6G actually is.


I am saying this because 5G's effectiveness was exaggerated, I suppose. Yeah, it works,5G works, and it works great but it wasn't the miracle it was expected to be.What's more, Shannon said we couldn't listen to it for it for more than X amount of hours (it was 12 or 16 that was mentioned by Shannon before 5G was developed fully) or whatever 'without passing out and terrible exhaustion'. Haha I laugh at that.We all now know how ridicilous this is. I had listened to a 5G multistage for months in a row for over 20 hours and nothing even close to terrible exhaustion ; passing out - what a joke.And there are many guys that listen for 20 hours a day without problems.

For 6G Shannon says 2,3 hours maximum.At another post he said 30 minutes may be enough and even much.
Remember my words, when 6G comes out, we will be able to listen to it for more than 2,3 hours, possibly much more, and it won't be the miracle it is presented to be - it will not work so fast as it is expected,and the way it is expected . Of course, it will be much better than 5G . And if it works ONLY 2 times better than 5G - that will be an incredible power, which I cannot wait to use.From what Shannon says, it should work AT LEAST 10 times better than 5G . Let's see what happens.

I agree with the concept of 'no new stuff, just enhancement of the current one and adding the new technologies'. Good one,Catman.

WM3 should have the new technologies, OGSF,auras enhancements .
AM7 should have BIATBW or AOS in every stage.
The two magnets should have EPRHA.

DAOS is indeed in AM implicitly, and I don't agree with adding BIATBW in AM. Come on, now! AM is all about seld-improvement and self-development. It's all about inner abilities to achieve actualization.

(10-10-2015, 02:15 AM)Achiever Wrote: [ -> ]Let 6G come out first. Let ASC 6G come out first, so that we can test it, and then we can objectively gauge on how permament, fast and incredible 6G actually is.


I am saying this because 5G's effectiveness was exaggerated, I suppose. Yeah, it works,5G works, and it works great but it wasn't the miracle it was expected to be.What's more, Shannon said we couldn't listen to it for it for more than X amount of hours (it was 12 or 16 that was mentioned by Shannon before 5G was developed fully) or whatever 'without passing out and terrible exhaustion'. Haha I laugh at that.We all now know how ridicilous this is. I had listened to a 5G multistage for months in a row for over 20 hours and nothing even close to terrible exhaustion ; passing out - what a joke.And there are many guys that listen for 20 hours a day without problems.

For 6G Shannon says 2,3 hours maximum.At another post he said 30 minutes may be enough and even much.
Remember my words, when 6G comes out, we will be able to listen to it for more than 2,3 hours, possibly much more, and it won't be the miracle it is presented to be - it will not work so fast as it is expected,and the way it is expected . Of course, it will be much better than 5G . And if it works ONLY 2 times better than 5G - that will be an incredible power, which I cannot wait to use.From what Shannon says, it should work AT LEAST 10 times better than 5G . Let's see what happens.

that made me smile because its true

however i cannot listen longer than 12h a day without feeling confused or exhausted

but 6g should better be some kind of miracle because 200-300 dollars per single stage is expensive

(10-09-2015, 03:32 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Yes and there's also the manifestation aspect. Claiming to supply a constant stream of beautiful women to bonk and play with is something that would be nothing short of miraculous. When I look back over the magnet journals I don't really see any evidence of the lifestyle the magnets aim for, or indeed anywhere close. I don't know if 6G will be possible for the magnets but something needs to be done to improve them.

I still believe the people who had poor results with SM or WM (including me) need more AM runs for a better foundation. A second problem could be guilt/shame/fear and other bad feelings and believes toward sex and women (where I also seem to have issues which are hard to overcome). As far I know the first stage of SM takes care of things like that, but maybe not all of them or not enough for some of us.