Subliminal Talk

@AlphaRomeo
First of all, thank you for your reply, it gave me oportunity to reconsider my developmental way. Shannon was surprised by claims about negative effects of using BWE and subs simultaneously.

(05-31-2015, 12:08 PM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: [ -> ]How can you measure what are the "optimal results" anyway? How can you know if you did or did not get "optimal results" or if you would have gotten better results if you had run them separately?

Good point AlphaRomeo! I think the only way to know this, is to test it on ourselves. Besides, it could be, and probably is, individual case. Any of us is different. AM6 affects me very well despite english is not my native language... as you can see.

@GlaizenGold777
Do you have any evidences about your `ten times` experiment? You didn`t mention anything about this in your first post so it`s very suspicious. Sorry mate, but I think you`re lying. But after all, you can be right about simultaneously using subs with BWE.

I guess, I must dig deeper to find answers...

I`ve asked about subs and BWE combination on some BWE`s forum and I`ve received positive reply so it`s allowed to use subs and BWE simultaneously without any risk and detraction possibility.

(05-31-2015, 07:13 PM)Voytek Wrote: [ -> ]@AlphaRomeo
First of all, thank you for your reply, it gave me oportunity to reconsider my developmental way. Shannon was surprised by claims about negative effects of using BWE and subs simultaneously.

(05-31-2015, 12:08 PM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: [ -> ]How can you measure what are the "optimal results" anyway? How can you know if you did or did not get "optimal results" or if you would have gotten better results if you had run them separately?

Good point AlphaRomeo! I think the only way to know this, is to test it on ourselves. Besides, it could be, and probably is, individual case. Any of us is different. AM6 affects me very well despite english is not my native language... as you can see.

@GlaizenGold777
Do you have any evidences about your `ten times` experiment? You didn`t mention anything about this in your first post so it`s very suspicious. Sorry mate, but I think you`re lying. But after all, you can be right about simultaneously using subs with BWE.

I guess, I must dig deeper to find answers...

I have Astral Projection group on FB contain approx 6000 member, and I'm member of Indonesian's Brainwave & Mind Power community.

Just from that two group, we did more than 100 experiment if we count about it.

You can join the testimonial group if you like, but the language is Indonesian, on that group, you'll find the proof.

And last, up to you if you don't believe me, I don't care, not important to me.

What I said is ALWAYS based on experience.

My best friend like AlphaMind and some Indonesian member of course know what I'm talking about.

Thanks.

I`ll test it on myself and let you all know about my results.

I`ve found another person that use BWE with subs and claims that it works better on him when he combines this two types of `programs`. So... I`ll try it for sure.

I use BWE with AM6 3rd day and I feel fantastic. It seems that BWE, that I`m using, fosters AM6`s effects... I`ll notice you about future progress soon.

What frequency are you attuning to?

(06-12-2015, 04:52 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]What frequency are you attuning to?

PM sent...

(05-31-2015, 07:07 PM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:How can you measure what are the "optimal results" anyway? How can you know if you did or did not get "optimal results" or if you would have gotten better results if you had run them separately?

How can I know? Based on experience and feedback from my group.

We divide our team into two group, one using mixing techniques, one use the subs solo.

This experiment is two month, first month the group who use the subs solo report satisfying result and the mix group is report just so so result, some of them even get a headache.

After one month, we exchange the group. The result is same.

Not just one time, I did experiment like this more than ten times.

I think ten times experiment is enough to have logical reason about optimum result.

Thanks.

+ "I have Astral Projection group on FB contain approx 6000 member, and I'm member of Indonesian's Brainwave & Mind Power community.

Just from that two group, we did more than 100 experiment if we count about it."

What kind of mixing techniques you are referring to? Strictly BWE + subs, or subs + BWE + Astral Projection/whatever other techniques? It sounds like the mixing techniques includes more than BWE. Please note that I´m not trying to be smartass,I just want to clarify what is exactly the case here since many people, I´m sure, would love to use BWE with subs. Furthermore, I am surprised that you have not informed Shannon earlier about this study since in this tread on date 05-28-2015 Shannon also said

(05-27-2015, 02:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Generally, BWE isn't considered mind programming. But if you've gotten specific advice from someone who has tried it with 5G and experienced degradation, listen. I don't do testing on BWE with subs because I'm already working with as much as I can. It may be that that specific brand of BWE does something different, or it may be that BWE in general does this... I am a bit surprised to hear what GlaizenGold777 reports, but it's definitely worth paying attention to.

Why you have not informed him earlier since this is very common question/issue? All the other techniques are listed as No No for use with subs, but not BWE before this thread. Also, since there are Shannon´s BWE on subliminal-shop as well I think it would be good idea to have the "warning" extended to the beyond this threat to the shop, FAQ etc,wherever it may apply because if your mixed techniques group experiments are strictly about BWE + subs then it concerns Shannon´s BWE as well. Since I have had great results with using BWE and subs at the same time, and other members like Voytek mentions having similar results I would love to hear Shannon´s input as well.

Also, I quote: "I have Astral Projection group on FB contain approx 6000 member, and I'm member of Indonesian's Brainwave & Mind Power community.
Just from that two group, we did more than 100 experiment if we count about it.
You can join the testimonial group if you like, but the language is Indonesian, on that group, you'll find the proof.
And last, up to you if you don't believe me, I don't care, not important to me."

Can you please provide a link on how to join those groups? Maybe you don´t care like you said to Voytek, but for some (intuitive)reason I don´t feel like this issue has been explored enough to come up to reliable conclusion. Feels like there is too many moving parts involved, for example, what Astral Projection group has to do with BWE? Why you mention it? Since this is very important topic for me (as well as for some others I bet) I want to make sure that we are not coming to any conclusions prematurely. Thanks.

AlphaRomeo,

Sure, I'm the Admin on that group, I don't see why not.

Just send me your FB link and I'll invite you.

Question 1

Quote:What kind of mixing techniques you are referring to? Strictly BWE + subs, or subs + BWE + Astral Projection/whatever other techniques? It sounds like the mixing techniques includes more than BWE

1. BWE + Subs
2. BWE + Subs + Tapping
3. BWE + Subs + Meditation
4. BWE + Subs + Subs
5. BWE + Another NLP techniques
6. etc, etc

We don't just use IML subs and BWE, we use A - Z BWE, subs, supraliminal, they name it.

Oh, also we use BWE that include subliminal message inside it.


Question 2

Quote:Why you have not informed him earlier since this is very common question/issue?

I make conclusion based on my experiment result.

Shannon make conclusion based on his R&D.

Shannon did R&D more than 20 years.

My personal R&D about BWE & subs is just 5 years.

He is way more expert than me, and I think sooner or later he'll discover about it.

Question 3

Quote:what Astral Projection group has to do with BWE? Why you mention it?

Because many user did AP with help of BWE & subliminal audio. That's why I mention it.

IML don't make subs and BWE specifically for AP, we use from different producer.


Note :

I already said on another thread we use common techniques for different purpose.

Like, if all of you using tapping for clearing something. Me & My team use tapping for manifest something (of course we modificate it), we don't have theory, we just experimenting experimenting and experimenting..But it's work--at least for us--.

Don't ask how. Because I don't have the "scientifically proven" proof.

In Indonesia, we like to experiment and learn something manually from person to person. Not from book.

Our culture is different with Western people. So arguing is just waste of time.

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Use PM and I'll answer your another question. But you must be an open minded person and want to learn something new. Not debate my personal experiment with conventional one. Why it's different etc etc.

Thanks.

(07-06-2015, 10:57 PM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: [ -> ]Question 1

Quote:What kind of mixing techniques you are referring to? Strictly BWE + subs, or subs + BWE + Astral Projection/whatever other techniques? It sounds like the mixing techniques includes more than BWE

1. BWE + Subs
2. BWE + Subs + Tapping
3. BWE + Subs + Meditation
4. BWE + Subs + Subs
5. BWE + Another NLP techniques
6. etc, etc

We don't just use IML subs and BWE, we use A - Z BWE, subs, supraliminal, they name it.

Oh, also we use BWE that include subliminal message inside it.


Question 2

Quote:Why you have not informed him earlier since this is very common question/issue?

I make conclusion based on my experiment result.

Shannon make conclusion based on his R&D.

Shannon did R&D more than 20 years.

My personal R&D about BWE & subs is just 5 years.

He is way more expert than me, and I think sooner or later he'll discover about it.

Question 3

Quote:what Astral Projection group has to do with BWE? Why you mention it?

Because many user did AP with help of BWE & subliminal audio. That's why I mention it.

IML don't make subs and BWE specifically for AP, we use from different producer.


Note :

I already said on another thread we use common techniques for different purpose.

Like, if all of you using tapping for clearing something. Me & My team use tapping for manifest something (of course we modificate it), we don't have theory, we just experimenting experimenting and experimenting..But it's work--at least for us--.

Don't ask how. Because I don't have the "scientifically proven" proof.

In Indonesia, we like to experiment and learn something manually from person to person. Not from book.

Our culture is different with Western people. So arguing is just waste of time.

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Use PM and I'll answer your another question. But you must be an open minded person and want to learn something new. Not debate my personal experiment with conventional one. Why it's different etc etc.

Thanks.

GlaizenGold777,

Thank you for taking time with your answer. I´d like to tell you little about myself so that we you can see better where I´m coming from and so that we can avoid any possible misunderstandings in our communication.

I have a great respect for other cultures than my own and most of my friends are either immigrants or live in different countries than I do so I have been exposed to all kinds of world views, philosophies, traditions, disciplines etc. ever since my teens.I also have traveled well enough for getting even more open mind towards these traditions. I first become interested in some of the eastern studies well over 20 years ago. I have practiced yoga, tantra, meditation, Tai Chi to name a just few (it´s a long list) and have studied topics such as astrology,Feng Shui and even consulting I-Ching from time to time. I could say that I have eastern traditions on these topics better covered than vast majority of westerners...so yes, I have an open mind and I´m always interested to learn more.

Having that said, I also like to balance these studies and knowledge with western philosophies and studies since both have their own benefits. I don´t subscribe solely to any one particular discipline,eastern or western,but rather like to pick whatever works for me from any of those...

I am not interested to debate about your experiments. I trust when both you AND Shannon say it is not recommended to mix other techniques (other than BWE) with his subs. HOWEVER, like I mentioned previously, Shannon have not seen any problem with using ONLY BWE with subs so I have only one question:

"1. BWE + Subs
2. BWE + Subs + Tapping
3. BWE + Subs + Meditation
4. BWE + Subs + Subs
5. BWE + Another NLP techniques
6. etc, etc"

How many experiments you did with ONLY BWE + Subs? Absolutely no disrespect but here I am interested ONLY about those experiments. Not anything else no matter how advanced or exciting or different way you use other techniques (that would be different topic than btw+subs ONLY)
The point is, I also like all kinds of mind programming ways such as hypnosis (my favorite) but, again, according to Shannon those are not recommended with subs so I leave those alone while using subs.
BWE + Subs (only) is still an open question to which I hope you can give simple answer (how many experiments, how did you control those (so that they did not use any other techniques etc) , what were the results etc.
Thanks.

Quote:BWE + Subs (only) is still an open question to which I hope you can give simple answer (how many experiments, how did you control those (so that they did not use any other techniques etc) , what were the results etc.
Thanks.

1. BWE + Subs is my very first experiment and that time (2006 - 2010) combining two or three mind reprogramming method is very popular in my country.

There are some people individually report about result they got before I did my experiment with my team. One report they got great result another report they just got a headache.

Because I want to know that great result just placebo or not, then I make team to experiment it all.

One group using one title subliminal audio for six weeks and one week rest before exchanging with another group who use subliminal audio + BWE.

2. How did I control them? If you following about BWE and SA (subliminal audio) everyday, month by month, year by year, that time the audio and BWE approximately just 30 minutes long (almost all producer) and only used 2-6 times per days (that's why we can combine it with another method).

I provide the equipment (Just some high quality Sennheiser headphone and some mp3 player) and audio files and the BWE in my house, and only me. So they come over to my house almost everyday or I'm going to their house. Simple.

I don't have much money to build studio or something like that to make my experiment better.

That's where my conclusion from. And that's why I'm not publish it. Just for personal use.

If you have another question, it's okay.

Thanks.

(07-08-2015, 07:00 PM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:BWE + Subs (only) is still an open question to which I hope you can give simple answer (how many experiments, how did you control those (so that they did not use any other techniques etc) , what were the results etc.
Thanks.

1. BWE + Subs is my very first experiment and that time (2006 - 2010) combining two or three mind reprogramming method is very popular in my country.

There are some people individually report about result they got before I did my experiment with my team. One report they got great result another report they just got a headache.

Because I want to know that great result just placebo or not, then I make team to experiment it all.

One group using one title subliminal audio for six weeks and one week rest before exchanging with another group who use subliminal audio + BWE.


If you have another question, it's okay.

Thanks.

Hey,
What does "BWE + Subs is my very first experiment..." mean in NUMBERS?
"...combining two or three mind reprogramming method is very popular in my country" gives an impression that the NUMBER of experiments with BWE+subs only only only only can be anywhere from zero to unknown BWW-subs only only only...ONLY is the key word here my friend, and for whatever reason you seem to be dancing around that word without wanting (for whatever reason) to give direct answer to my original question.
There is no really reason to bring anything else (techniques, methods, whatever) on the table since I already know that it is not recommended to mix techniques OTHER than BWE(?) with subs. This question is STILL open and I am still hoping to get direct answer to that question. Can you please answer to that or not? And if you do, please limit your answer to the experiments (numbers please) with BWE+subs only, and ONLY to the experiments with those two. No need to bring third or fourth etc mind reprogramming methods in to the equation, that would only do great disservice to the members of this community.

I am being persistent with this question for two reasons 1) Like I said, you have NOT yet being able to directly answer to my question and
2) I am committed to run Shannon´s subs for many many, MANY years to come, if not decade, I also know the benefits, by experience, of some of the best BWE programs in the world (and at least for me, they are quite amazing). It would be really unfortunate and terrible waste of time that could be used more efficiently, if it turned out that BWE combined with subs does not lessen significantly or at all the effects of either programs and if we stopped running both simultaneously just because of your vague comments. Please understand that I am not trying to challenge, but rather wanting to get reliable answer for not only for my own benefit but for the benefit of other members on this community too. I suspect there are A LOT of members like me who are interested to rub bwe + subs at the same time (not necessarily literally at same time but both on the same day, during over same periods of weeks/months/years) and who are confused about what the real answer to my question might be.

Shannon if you read this could you also give some feedback please. Am I the only one who gets the feeling that GlaizenGold777 is dancing around the subject without giving the direct answer?

If the answer is along the lines of " yes, we have done XXX numbers of experiments (x being SIGNIFICANT number) with BWE+SUBS ONLY without mixing any other mind programming methods into the mix and based on the experiments it really does seem that bwe lessens the results of subs...(by X%)" then fine, that´s the way it is then. But there is no reason to be vague about it and keep people guessing. And definitely no real reason to advice against running BWE+subs at the same time if there is not significant number of experiments pointing to that direction.

Thanks for your time and patience.

I use AM6 with BWE from almost 2 months and I don`t experience any negative side effects and I feel that BWE enhances AM6 results. Period.