Subliminal Talk

I just wanted to share a few findings with the insomnia aid, but before I do that I wanted to make a couple of things clear by explaining some other things.

After reading the book 'You Can Lift Depression… Fast' it became pretty much clear to me that depression and sleeping are connected with each other. Without going into too much detail, people who are depressed exercise a lot of negative thinking in the form of anxiety, anger and guilt etc. in a passive form. In other words, they worry a lot about things without doing something about it. The emotional or unconscious mind has the tendency to store that thought or to keep it open (like an application you’ve started up) until it can be shutted down or fulfilled in the form of REM sleep (personal theatre). The more you worry, and the more thoughts of worry you generate, the more the ratio of regular slow wave/delta sleep and REM sleep is distorted and the more time you spend in REM sleep instead of slow wave/delta sleep.

Slow wave/delta sleep is meant to restore/heal your body, and to regain vitality and energy, REM sleep burns up a lot of energy in order to process these thoughts. To sum it up, you dream about the things that you worry about. And the more you have to worry about, the more tired you get from sleeping. I never understood why on some days I felt great with only a few hours of sleep and in others I felt crap after having slept enough hours. It just didn’t make sense to me why it was so unpredictable, but it does now.

The reason why I mentioned this is simply because perhaps this might provide some insight in other depressed people who may read this and I noticed that any depressive tendencies are gone after using the Insomnia Aid, also waking up foggy, slow, uncentered, along with feeling vulnerable and emotional is for the most part gone now, even if I hadn’t had that many hours of sleep. I can only say that this is one of the best things that have come on my path so far, since I am now able to control my sleep, and don’t have to worry about if and when I’m able to fall asleep, let alone how I may feel the next day. Even though I already thanked you, thanks again, you have no idea how much this bothered me

On a side note; If you’re kind of busy in the head the BWE does work (after 40-50 min. in my case), but I noticed that I will wake up a few hours later, this happened to me 2 times now. But I still feel pretty much clearheaded the next day, only just a bit tired. I guess this is what people normally experience

I'm learning a lot about insomnia while I go through nicotine withdrawals. Chamomile Tea 1-4 times daily is pretty good as well.

(10-20-2010, 12:22 PM)Jay Wrote: [ -> ]I just wanted to share a few findings with the insomnia aid, but before I do that I wanted to make a couple of things clear by explaining some other things.

After reading the book 'You Can Lift Depression… Fast' it became pretty much clear to me that depression and sleeping are connected with each other. Without going into too much detail, people who are depressed exercise a lot of negative thinking in the form of anxiety, anger and guilt etc. in a passive form. In other words, they worry a lot about things without doing something about it. The emotional or unconscious mind has the tendency to store that thought or to keep it open (like an application you’ve started up) until it can be shutted down or fulfilled in the form of REM sleep (personal theatre). The more you worry, and the more thoughts of worry you generate, the more the ratio of regular slow wave/delta sleep and REM sleep is distorted and the more time you spend in REM sleep instead of slow wave/delta sleep.

Slow wave/delta sleep is meant to restore/heal your body, and to regain vitality and energy, REM sleep burns up a lot of energy in order to process these thoughts. To sum it up, you dream about the things that you worry about. And the more you have to worry about, the more tired you get from sleeping. I never understood why on some days I felt great with only a few hours of sleep and in others I felt crap after having slept enough hours. It just didn’t make sense to me why it was so unpredictable, but it does now.

The reason why I mentioned this is simply because perhaps this might provide some insight in other depressed people who may read this and I noticed that any depressive tendencies are gone after using the Insomnia Aid, also waking up foggy, slow, uncentered, along with feeling vulnerable and emotional is for the most part gone now, even if I hadn’t had that many hours of sleep. I can only say that this is one of the best things that have come on my path so far, since I am now able to control my sleep, and don’t have to worry about if and when I’m able to fall asleep, let alone how I may feel the next day. Even though I already thanked you, thanks again, you have no idea how much this bothered me

On a side note; If you’re kind of busy in the head the BWE does work (after 40-50 min. in my case), but I noticed that I will wake up a few hours later, this happened to me 2 times now. But I still feel pretty much clearheaded the next day, only just a bit tired. I guess this is what people normally experience

Great post Jay!

From a personal stand point only, I completely agree with you about depression being related to insomnia, as well as anxiety. For me, I'm not depressed anymore, but I deal with a low case of anxiety pretty much on a consistent basis.

What you said about negative thinking is spot on from my experience. My educational background is in psychology, and I remember being shocked to learn one day in class that the average person apparently has up to 1,000 negative thoughts per day (give or take)!! As an exercise, we were asked to keep a thought journal and write down any negative thoughts we'd had and replace them with a more positive one. Basically, this exercise helped me re-train my thought pattern from negative self talk to a more optimistic, upbeat kind of person. I'm still my own worse critic, but I've come a long way. But it takes lots of practice! Now, sometimes I worry that I've swung too much the other way and give people/circumstances too much benefit of the doubt, but hey, that's the balance I have to learn.

Anyway, my point is that the more positive thinking that I became, the less anxious I was, because I stopped worrying so much from all the fear I was creating with that old thought pattern. The less worry I had, the less analytical I was at night, so I could wind down and sleep. It's still a work in progress, like I said, and maybe always will be, but at least it's progress.

It just makes me so happy that this is helping you as much as it is. That's why I wrote my experience because I thought if it helped me, maybe it could help someone else too. I hope others will read of our experiences and give it a try if they're suffering from insomnia. And I'm not saying all this to help make sales as any employee, but because I genuinely think it can help people with sleep issues.

I can tell my sleep is getting better because all of this week I've been able to fall asleep on my own. No melatonin, no sleep aid, just me. It makes me think that my brain waves are learning to be more aligned or something.

Also, on a side note, I woke up feeling groggy one morning a few days ago, and started listening to the beta BWE to help me wake up a little faster. Did the trick! I think that took me about 20 minutes before I started to feel its benefits, but that's been a relatively new experience that I'll have to play around with here and there.

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(10-21-2010, 03:19 AM)Ryan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm learning a lot about insomnia while I go through nicotine withdrawals. Chamomile Tea 1-4 times daily is pretty good as well.

Yea, that's good stuff. Any herbal tea at night seems to help me relax a lot. I'm not quite as devoted as you are at 1-4 times daily,lol, but maybe I should be!

Yeah don't take melatonin, instead take a serotonin supplement. 5-HTP or another plus fish oil. Should help with the weight loss, headaches and will help you produce more melatonin and shut up excessive mind chatter.

Man, I am learning a lot through this process

I've had some nasty experiences with melatonin when trying to "cure" my insomnia a while back. It made me feel even more groggy the next day, along with more negative thinking and when I stopped taking melatonin, it made for a couple of nights of crappy sleep ( I call that rebound effect).
@ Ryan, where is 5-HTP obtained? Health food stores?

You can buy 5-HTP at any store, there is another supplement which is supposed to be better and quicker called "L-Tryptophan", it's a little more expensive but you can find it at vitamin shops/health food stores. Fish Oil pills are also great. Green Tea also helps with serotonin as well, I believe.

(10-29-2010, 10:36 AM)Ryan Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah don't take melatonin, instead take a serotonin supplement. 5-HTP or another plus fish oil. Should help with the weight loss, headaches and will help you produce more melatonin and shut up excessive mind chatter.

Man, I am learning a lot through this process

That's awesome that you've found things to help you Ryan! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have to try that stuff. How much of it do you have to take, and how long before you started to see a difference using it?

I'm not taking it anymore but I was put on anti-depressants to help me through the withdrawals, it's the serotonin that is responsible for managing your thoughts, mood, and melotonin -> sleep cycle You definitely don't want to get hooked on some sleeping pill! Not sure how long it will take, there is a supplement, L-Tryptophan which is supposed to be more effective it's a little more expensive though, you can find at any vitamin shop, just don't over-do it.

http://www.raysahelian.com/tryptophan.html

(10-29-2010, 01:48 PM)ronatello Wrote: [ -> ]I've had some nasty experiences with melatonin when trying to "cure" my insomnia a while back. It made me feel even more groggy the next day, along with more negative thinking and when I stopped taking melatonin, it made for a couple of nights of crappy sleep ( I call that rebound effect).
@ Ryan, where is 5-HTP obtained? Health food stores?

I've got the same problem with melatonin, the only thing I couldn't wrap my head around is that it's a natural chemical that already is being produced in the brain. Turns out that after taking melatonin you're starting to activate the pineal gland again to make more melatonin, which takes in serotonin to naturally produce the melatonin, hence why you feeling pretty much like arse the day after. But this should pass after you take melatonin on a regular basis.

Even with the risk of feeling like ****, I'm going to get some melatonin capsules soon to test it out again.

@Jackie

Great to hear that you're able to sleep well on your own strength, and I will definitely try out the beta waves in the morning. Great tip!

I was familiar with the thousand negative thoughts per day, I had the same told to me at an extracurricular course which had a stroke of NLP running through it, it was a great intro, but too bad he didn't tell us how to properly handle those thoughts throughout the course...

I also have used A.N.T.'s (Automatic Negative Thoughts) in the past when I still was seeing a psychologist, but wasn't something I looked forward on doing since it's pretty hard for me to write down my emotions, and every sentence I made wasn't good enough at describing it etc. (i.e. perfectionism).

One thing I have been trying out for the last few days is doing 'Morning Pages', which is basically outputting all your current thoughts on paper or a word document for three pages (I'm just doing one for starters) after waking up without holding anything back, and it's pretty funny re-reading it just to see incredibly impulsive and random your mind gets, along with how much of a class A arsehole you can be to yourself.

Even though it's been only a few days now, I can notice a small decline in negative sentences/phrases and probably since I've become more aware of it, but then again it could also be the sub improving my inner dialogue. Who knows, I will continue doing it nonetheless.

Another tea/supplement which is extremely effective is Valerian Root, the best thing is that you can't become dependent on it and most don't have any side effects with it plus it helps with anxiety/depression if taken regularly. I used it during my withdrawals but my anxiety was sky rocket high that I couldn't fall asleep, even though it made me extremely tired... Shouldn't make you feel like shit in the morning either. I found capsules for 7.99 at Walgreens with Calming Blend, which has Passion Flower and Lemon Balm, should relax your mind pretty quickly. I read it could take about 2-3 days before it fully kicks in.

Melatonin is the panacea for me, it is the dosing that that was touchy for me-too much and your wide awake at 3:30 A.M. Otherwise, its great for me, especially knowing it is a super powerful anti-oxidant doesn't hurt either. One curious thing I learned which I can't back up with research is that taking it during the day time can be carcinogenic, so whether that means no more cherry juice I don't know, but I have no reason to use it during daylight.
L-Tryptophan is very good for a variety reasons, one good reason is because it was discontinued from US markets years ago on some bogus reason, but the real reason I suspect is it's efficacy.
I have no affiliation but if you want really fast delivery, inexpensive and quality choices look to Swanson's in the great state of ND.

I had no idea melatonin was an anti-oxidant, that's great! I love the stuff, but you're right, it's hard to get just the right dose. My sleep still isn't perfect, but at least that and the aid help get me to sleep....I just can't always STAY asleep! lol.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. It's really helpful hearing other ideas and experiences that I wouldn't otherwise think about.

Probably because we want you to have a good night sleep and be all "bright-eyed and bush tailed".

Another update I forgot to mention that's pretty cool if you ask me: Back in October my boyfriend took me to meet his whole family in cali. His stepmother suffers from MS, and is on lots of different meds to help her with pain, and she also has to take ambien so she can sleep. She hasn't been able to sleep with out Ambien for a long time. I had my copy of the sleep aid, which I told her about and she was immediately interested in trying it. Anything to help her get off meds, is what she said. So, we set her up one night with the sleep aid playing, and she told me the next day that she had actually slept the whole night, hadn't woken up once, and actually felt rested in the morning! I told her about the site, so I hope she'll consider buying a copy of her own, but I just wanted to share that.