Subliminal Talk

Fluffy - I am on stage 3, almost to the end. It has been pretty profound, caused me to work out a lot of my fears/shame/doubt related to women. And care less if they are attracted or not. I am trying to decide if I should stop and do AM6 and then restart SM3, stop and do LTU and then AM6 and then back to SM3, or just keep going with SM3 to the end. I am "pretty alpha" already, but SM3 is exposing all my weaknesses so I can see why Shannon wants people to do AM before SM. That being said, given how profound SM has been I've been leaning towards continuing with SM despite the suggestion.

It wasn't a suggestion. It's designed to be used AFTER AM, and for a lot of very good reasons.

OK, so I will stop SM3. Any opinion on if I should use LTU before AM?

AM first.

Quote:AfzalG Wrote:
9. day stage 3

man this program is hard .... feel soulless and sick...

had some crazy dreams about choking women and beating them up with stones never had this before

have no causal erections at all ... and no interest in jerking off and porn... and jeah shanon i took your advice i absolutly cant imagine to pay for sex now, weird how fast my opinion changed...

was out today young chicks seem to fear me... there were two girls behind me talking and laughing when i turned around and looked at them they reacted like they have seen an alien... they stopped talking and run away literally... wtf ?

in the bus i sat next to a girl she stood up and went away ???

all young chicks give me the looks like i am creepy or something like that ? whats going on shanon? i dont understand it... i never looked so good i am in good shape, have a new haircut...new clothes and smell good (hugo boss)

sometimes i have the feeling like i am listening to anti sex magnet lol...

but then a 30 year old looked at me for 15 min straight and smiled she was horny as hell till turned red lol Blush
and a 40 year old asked me for my tats on my hands ...

it seems like sm is still working better for older women

I'm experiencing more or less the same thing (and have since I hit puberty, more or less),

Younger Women (<35) seem to avoid me, and have since I was a teenager (I'm 26 at present).

The only women who have shown interest in me have been Middle-aged, married women!! (and I said 'no' to them).

man girls are staring at me like they are crazy like psychopats...
now even the younger cute ones i prefer... but man it feels initimidating..

i cant hold eye contact with them anymore they look me directly in my eyes...i just turn away automatically dont know why...(on alpha i could hold eye contact for hours...)

but some crazy shit happend... today at airport i was standing in the cafeteria with my little sister eating a banana and i was drinking a coffe. and two hot young police women (max 25) one brunette one blonde were sitting at the table next to me,and then my sister (4 years old) dropped the banana near the hot police chick and i wanted to grab it and was angry about my little sis... but then the police women started making some jokes about bananas and the similarity to penises and then we ended up talking about love and what it means to give pleasure and if its possible that men and women are just friends...

after this on my way home i thought man wtf just happend this is crazy... am i dreaming ?...

shannon what are you doing to me

The story with the two police chicks sounds awesome. Makes me want to use SM3 (right after AM6).

Keep it coming AfzalG, there are still more stages to be done.

wow how the heck r u ... getting that same result exactly same timing as me ... dafuck? let me guess ur somewhere day 12 on stage 3? im on 15 lol

im starting to get the looks again... but i can hold eye contact straight on till the girls look away . probly because i have more practice under my belt and i think of it as easy as taking a dump... its like natural everyday stuff to me since a year ago.

its like me and u are going on the same period . shit falls off and comes back . funny as hell . im kinda excited to see stage 4.... curious about 5 and 6...
the only story i have that stood out to me was a girl telling me to " slide all the way in" when i pay with my credit card. my first thought was... "hmmm is she trying to be sexual with me... dam if it is .... its wow.

and that calibration shannon talks about is confusing.
Btw Shannon what are some tips you can give us to speed up the calibration process ?
cause im starting to get a little impatience about it
how do we catch up to our inner outer and overall attractiveness ??

you talk about expressing it...
im getting the idea that our inner part is attractive off the chart.
But we dont know how to express that level of attractiveness so therefore girls can sense the imbalance ??? is that what ur saying?
what i find in me is i somehow gotten more nervous in just simply talking to girls and i almsot are lost for words sometimes . i swear its feels just like 2 years ago when i first started approaching girls (obviously wasnt that nervous now, jsut making a reference) . but its weird my body is like sensing nervousness and some sort of things going on that makes me feel nervous.

before sm3 i had no problem chatting up with girls feeling all smooth and easy ... even with ultra hot girls ...
and now i was talking to a 5... and i was nervous . what the fuck does that mean HAHAHA
but somehow i find this all fun and interesting...

haha jeah u r right i am at day 11 stage 3...

i find myself too not knowing what to say when women talk to me... its weird because they want to make a connection with me but i dont know how to react like i am from another world...i am confused about normal human problems...i also start to think about the bacteria and the viruses in vaginas and how unhygienic sex is lol...

i am excited too...i think it will be a crazy journey. i am planning to go to the spring break in croatia in june and test sm there :angel:.... i will definitly run the refresher stage for 6 months after finishing

i want to become what shannon wrote something between james bond and hugh hefner...

Quote:wow how the heck r u ... getting that same result exactly same timing as me ... dafuck? let me guess ur somewhere day 12 on stage 3? im on 15 lol

Same timing on the same program, and roughly the same age I would guess? That would be expected if the program works.

Quote:its like me and u are going on the same period . shit falls off and comes back . funny as hell . im kinda excited to see stage 4.... curious about 5 and 6...

Which is what happens when you make progress and then realize your progress and let fear regress you.

Quote:the only story i have that stood out to me was a girl telling me to " slide all the way in" when i pay with my credit card. my first thought was... "hmmm is she trying to be sexual with me... dam if it is .... its wow.

That doesn't sound very likely... things like that you have to corroborate with body language, eye language, vocal intonations.

Quote:and that calibration shannon talks about is confusing.
Btw Shannon what are some tips you can give us to speed up the calibration process ?
cause im starting to get a little impatience about it
how do we catch up to our inner outer and overall attractiveness ??

What's confusing? You ever seen an inchworm? It first pulls it's feet to it's head, and then it's got it's body in a really weird position. Then it clams down with it;s feet and moves its head forward again. That's how it moves, and that's how we grow, too. Not all parts of us grow at the same time, and when it's inner growth it has to have time to be expressed outwardly, and in a way that corroborates the inner change. The conscious mind must adjust itself to what the subconscious mind is doing.

Impatience is not going to help. It's going to make things worse. Be patient. But in the meantime, learn to read and understand body language, eye language, facial cues, vocal cues and the like, and then use that to understand what people are communicating to you about yourself. Then take that information and use it to consciously calibrate by focusing on adjusting yourself consciously in those directions.

Quote:you talk about expressing it...
im getting the idea that our inner part is attractive off the chart.
But we dont know how to express that level of attractiveness so therefore girls can sense the imbalance ??? is that what ur saying?

That is very much what I am saying. Inwardly, energetically, you are expressing a LOT of sexuality and sexual desire and presence. Outwardly, you haven't caught up yet and are still dealing with fears that the program is getting you to face and overcome that are blocking your path.

Quote:what i find in me is i somehow gotten more nervous in just simply talking to girls and i almsot are lost for words sometimes . i swear its feels just like 2 years ago when i first started approaching girls (obviously wasnt that nervous now, jsut making a reference) . but its weird my body is like sensing nervousness and some sort of things going on that makes me feel nervous.

When you face your fears, they become your focus, and until they're dealt with, they are going to be more "front and center" and have a greater impact. As you deal with them, they will fade away. The program is pushing you to do things that scare you and then to outgrow those fears. It takes time.

Quote:before sm3 i had no problem chatting up with girls feeling all smooth and easy ... even with ultra hot girls ...
and now i was talking to a 5... and i was nervous . what the **** does that mean HAHAHA
but somehow i find this all fun and interesting...

Chatting up women of any amount of attractiveness isn't a problem if all you're doing is talking, because you have nothing to lose... but if you're genuinely going after her for sex, as is the case in this situation, you suddenly have to face the threat of rejection, and a lot of guys are afraid of that. It means the program is working, and you're dealing with the fears behind why you wanted to use the program in the first place: not enough sex.

Change is usually fun and interesting. :-)

(01-13-2014, 12:51 PM)AfzalG Wrote: [ -> ]haha jeah u r right i am at day 11 stage 3...

i find myself too not knowing what to say when women talk to me... its weird because they want to make a connection with me but i dont know how to react like i am from another world...i am confused about normal human problems...i also start to think about the bacteria and the viruses in vaginas and how unhygienic sex is lol...

i am excited too...i think it will be a crazy journey. i am planning to go to the spring break in croatia in june and test sm there :angel:.... i will definitly run the refresher stage for 6 months after finishing

i want to become what shannon wrote something between james bond and hugh hefner...

Aha, the truth comes out, you have an unreasonable fear that is holding you back. Fear of sex because you believe that vaginas are somehow unhygenic. That will certainly hold you back from having sex, and that's a belief that has to go. So let me educate you a little bit here.

A woman's body has an opening (the vaginal canal) that leads from the outside world into her abdomen. Theoretically this would allow her to get an infection that would quickly spread through her body and kill her... but this virtually never happens. Why? Because the vaginal secretions are designed to kill bacteria and viruses via their acidity, and what they cannot kill, they flush out by constantly producing more secretions that flow out of her body. When she isn't menstruating, the flow is slow and not very obvious unless she is aroused sexually for some reason.

So these "viruses and bacteria" you talk about are in your head. Unless she has an STD or a yeast infection. Yeast is neither virus nor bacteria, and an STD is a different story. But a woman who has neither of these is perfectly safe to have sex, presuming you don't mind the risk of pregnancy.

If she has a yeast infection, she can pass that to you if you have unprotected sex with her, and again, STDs are an entirely different story.

Wearing a condom will prevent the transmission of most STDs, and slow down those few (like genital warts) that aren't stopped. So get it out of your head that vaginas are somehow full of bacteria and viruses and are therefore unhygenic for sex. If that was the case, the human race would have died out instead of thriving like crazy.

Hey Shannon thanks for answering all my questions .

i think i am pretty good at reading facials .... because when i look at the girls im having conversation with i instantly get nervous... as if im subconsciously seeing right infront of me the girl is sexually into me already. and i also consciously can tell what they are feeling at the moment , obviously not 100% but somewhat... i love people watching..

hmmmm thats interesting...woah... very crazy... so that means most of the approaches i have done i wasnt coming from a sexual place ? =.= . i guess just not this strong but probly was because why else i talk to the girl... obviously not gonna be her friend lol.
i dont just talk... i escalate.. for example with a girl naturally beautiful a 9.5 bartender. this was during stage 1. i saw her walked by. i said hey and gestured her with my finger to come here and also said come here. striaght to her face i said i think ur very cute . while touching her shoudlers. then i backed out a little bit and we chatted and i told a story because it just happen to be in a context. i saw her hinting shes gotta go back to work. i went back in closer. me" listen i think ur really cute , put my arm around her waists while rubbing it, and ima take ur number.
her: im working
me: just pretend ur not working
her: i got a bf
me: dont worry we wont date.
her: ok still blushing and took the number...

this is by far the best i have done, ... ever, felt like walk in a park. my state from another venue carried over to this...
anyways my point was... i was being sexual though. but wasnt 100% . if i was i woulda have made out with her there... the interaction was solid enough to make out... it wasnt even in my mind until i left the place... arg

Personally, I think you need to un-learn a lot of the PUA stuff to be successful with women these days. They know what's being taught and they spot it a mile away. Guard up, shields up.

You don't want to do stuff while she's working. That's not the appropriate time or place, and you're going to put her in a bad position because she now has a threat to her job, and you're doing all this in public. Very bad for her reputation, especially if she's taken, because it's a good bet that even if she wants to be with you, someone else will see and report back to boyfriend.

I know a lot of women who I see where they work who are attracted to me, but they're taken. Some of them I am attracted to also, and in a few cases, I would not mind it if something happened. But taken aside, she has a lot of things to think about that you're not considering when you do stuff like that. You're making life harder for her. That's not how you get in a woman's pants.

Naturally, it will depend on various things I cannot see as to specific circumstances that will adjust what I'm saying... but if you want her, get her outside of work and in a place where she's not so at-risk. And instead of going straight for the kill, consider that different women require different approaches. One woman may blow you out if you do an immediate approach, and another may blow you out if you don't. That's why I learned body language, personality reading, face reading, voice reading, body type reading, etc. etc. You have to know what is appropriate, and when. Making her at risk for losing her job or her relationship or reputation just because you want to fuck isn't going to win points with any woman worth being with in any capacity. Be considerate of her as well.

i dont have anything pua under my belt , i read like few books . one is mode one , and the other one is 60 years of challenge. Everything i typed what happened were full on natural...

i didnt just like touch her waist cause the book said so... or move back or w.e.. i notice myself doing it naturally because i have been working on just "improving" myself for like 1.5 year. i didnt even read one dam book before i went up to an 9 girl and approached her my first time while shitting my pants... took a while to become what i described.

i also have zero scripted or memorized stuff.... no tactics either... its literally just me being doing a bold approach and let things in 100% natural flow...

the entire pub was empty therefore i wanted her... she was the only one i liked there it was the moment when i walked into the venue i saw her. i have seen her before at the same club but in a very busy time and i just ignored her ...
Its just i didnt think much about it ... she stood out to me a lot... she has one of those real positive vibes... like she is beautiful in the inside. and i instantly went on a instinct mode and just gestured her over... it was literally like a reflex .

Body language is very different to read... all those things takes time and experience and actual studying... i read them on instincts... i usually dont have a conscious idea whats going on. but am somewhat aware of it at some level.

Yes i know i have approached a lot of girls being bold and have been blown out countless time.

I am very interested in studying it .. is there a book you ca recommend me on those things?
i would like to learn every reading you mentioned... i love these kinda stuff and energy stuff.
recommend me 5 books if needed for all these things.. hell even if it is 10 lol . i can read them while im on my "Breaks" .