Subliminal Talk

Did my first cycle of the new DMSI and will start the second one tomorrow. I'm doing the version for hard cases, and so far I've noticed mental heaviness and load, a bit more tiredness, appetite picking up, and feeling way hotter than usual -- especially at night. I'm definitely feeling a bit more relaxed about my life, which is in a relatively stressful place right now, and I'm waking up with diamond-hard erections in the morning.

I'm hoping the heaviness normalizes after another cycle or so, otherwise I may try dropping to the lighter version. I can't afford to be sluggish and mentally out of it all the time like this.

I already confirmed with Ben over email, but I'd prefer that my posts in this journal not be used for any testimonials anywhere else on this forum or on the shop. I'm more than happy to share feedback, which is why I've started this public journal, but I'd like for my experiences to be kept in the context of my entire journal and not cherry picked at will.

I noticed some other people have created DMSI v5 journals, and I'm looking forward to seeing their journeys as well!

Good to see you! We need new faces around here. I hope DMSI5 meets your expectations, and you achieve everything you desire.

(08-17-2025, 11:20 PM)Frosted Wrote: [ -> ]Good to see you! We need new faces around here. I hope DMSI5 meets your expectations, and you achieve everything you desire.

Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm glad to be here 

Reposting and expanding upon the following in this journal because it probably should be said here as well.

I have a lot of doubt regarding this sub given its experimental status and lack of clear, consistent results across many years of users and versions. And by results I mean what is obviously the biggest selling point of the program:

Quote:DMSI v5.0 is designed to make you irresistibly sexually attractive to the people you are most sexually attracted to, with the goal of getting them to naturally respond by initiating and having sex with you as a result of their attraction.

I've read a lot of old DMSI journals and most have been pages and pages of everything except "woman I want to have sex with is initiating sex with me." I wasn't around for the old DMSI, so the old goals may have been different from V5's. Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting something here.

But I don't care about dreams, IOI's, headaches, crotch displays, and whatever.

It's easy to latch on to specific bullet points in the sales copy and assume that DMSI will lead to random women seducing me from start to finish, but I think it's more realistic to assume that I need to do 100% of the work, with DMSI making that work relatively effortless when the right woman is involved. I don't want to limit myself, but I can't help but to come to that conclusion.

In any case, I'm really hoping this sub works out.

(08-22-2025, 01:17 AM)treble Wrote: [ -> ]Reposting and expanding upon the following in this journal because it probably should be said here as well.

I have a lot of doubt regarding this sub given its experimental status and lack of clear, consistent results across many years of users and versions. And by results I mean what is obviously the biggest selling point of the program:

Quote:DMSI v5.0 is designed to make you irresistibly sexually attractive to the people you are most sexually attracted to, with the goal of getting them to naturally respond by initiating and having sex with you as a result of their attraction.

I've read a lot of old DMSI journals and most have been pages and pages of everything except "woman I want to have sex with is initiating sex with me." I wasn't around for the old DMSI, so the old goals may have been different from V5's. Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting something here.

But I don't care about dreams, IOI's, headaches, crotch displays, and whatever.

It's easy to latch on to specific bullet points in the sales copy and assume that DMSI will lead to random women seducing me from start to finish, but I think it's more realistic to assume that I need to do 100% of the work, with DMSI making that work relatively effortless when the right woman is involved. I don't want to limit myself, but I can't help but to come to that conclusion.

In any case, I'm really hoping this sub works out.

I have similar sentiments and did the same research, but that's why I'm trying it out for a long period of time with not much expectations. If it works, then it works, if it doesn't then I can invest my money into other things.

Ive seen some people have success with older versions though that Chaosvrgn guy seemed to do pretty well.

.....

Cycle 2 (Hard Case)

No results

Overall feeling good and relatively stable during the day, but not sleeping through the night -- I'm having lots of weird dreams and even one nightmare. 

Massive headache yesterday and processed something I said to a female friend over 10 years ago. I never quite realized how bad what I said really was until that moment last night. Yikes.

My mind doesn't feel as heavy as it did in cycle 1, but I'm still very much aware that I'm running a subliminal. 

No sense of an aura except after I eat food and feel hot AF, especially at night after dinner, which is super annoying.

Feeling completely invisible to women, even ones that I find attractive. But I will say that I haven't encountered anyone that pulls me in on a full-body level and makes my PP hard, and that's the only type of woman I expect to be affected by this sub based on my understanding so far. Could be wrong. 

Back to listening tomorrow for cycle 3.

(08-22-2025, 03:39 AM)Superlative Wrote: [ -> ]I have similar sentiments and did the same research, but that's why I'm trying it out for a long period of time with not much expectations. If it works, then it works, if it doesn't then I can invest my money into other things.

Ive seen some people have success with older versions though that Chaosvrgn guy seemed to do pretty well.

Yeah man 100%. Agreed -- Chaosvrgn's was pretty good. I thought JakeKennedy's was good, too, but he didn't post much.

(08-22-2025, 04:16 AM)London1 Wrote: [ -> ]Im starting to believe and i think others too are starting to believe these things dont work.
The description of DMSI makes it seem like some magical thing with guaranteed results but its far from that, its all a sham (im not saying this is Shannon's intention)

If you can't get laid without DMSI, you can't get laid with it. Anything that does happen is placebo; you believing that something will change because you believe you're doing this secret thing that one else knows about. Its not the sub itself. Same for all other subs i think.
I've been using OGSF for months now, payed $650, and no difference at all. Idk really what justifies this price.

It's funny that you say that because the most appealing thing for me is that Shannon doesn't seem to oversell his subs. I get the sense that the messaging is as direct as possible and I really appreciate the explicit instructions and directions. But DMSI stands out in particular because it seems like there are a lot of CYA statements relative to how other subs are presented, and yeah the prices certainly aren't cheap!

Sorry you haven't gotten the results you are looking for on OGSF Are you thinking of throwing in the towel?

(08-17-2025, 01:45 AM)treble Wrote: [ -> ]Did my first cycle of the new DMSI and will start the second one tomorrow. I'm doing the version for hard cases, and so far I've noticed mental heaviness and load, a bit more tiredness, appetite picking up, and feeling way hotter than usual -- especially at night. I'm definitely feeling a bit more relaxed about my life, which is in a relatively stressful place right now, and I'm waking up with diamond-hard erections in the morning.



I'm hoping the heaviness normalizes after another cycle or so, otherwise I may try dropping to the lighter version. I can't afford to be sluggish and mentally out of it all the time like this.



I already confirmed with Ben over email, but I'd prefer that my posts in this journal not be used for any testimonials anywhere else on this forum or on the shop. I'm more than happy to share feedback, which is why I've started this public journal, but I'd like for my experiences to be kept in the context of my entire journal and not cherry picked at will.



I noticed some other people have created DMSI v5 journals, and I'm looking forward to seeing their journeys as well!

You're reporting "mental heaviness" (which is the Fear Removal Module working you through the fears blocking you in this goal), tiredness (another sign of working hard under the hood), hunger increase (which means you're burning more calories projecting the aura),and feeling "way hotter than usual".  (That's you projecting the aura!)  Feeling more relaxed is the result of making progress with the Fear Removal Module, and the erections are coming from the hormonal optimizer/pheromone optimizer doing it's thing.  You are definitely executing, but that doesn't mean you're going to instantly get sex.  You have to work through the stuff the Fear Removal Module is doing, which will take some time.  Maybe months.  You can't rush fear removal - it has to go at your pace.  Otherwise, you just make the fear worse.

Quote:I'm hoping the heaviness normalizes after another cycle or so, otherwise I may try dropping to the lighter version. I can't afford to be sluggish and mentally out of it all the time like this.

Wait, what?  Dropping  to the lighter version? If you started with the instructions for hard cases, there was surely a reason, and going to less exposure time is only going to mean you're using it the wrong way if you needed the instructions for hard cases.  You guys amaze me with how quickly and easily you give up on things.

(08-22-2025, 01:17 AM)treble Wrote: [ -> ]Reposting and expanding upon the following in this journal because it probably should be said here as well.

I have a lot of doubt regarding this sub given its experimental status and lack of clear, consistent results across many years of users and versions. And by results I mean what is obviously the biggest selling point of the program:

Quote:DMSI v5.0 is designed to make you irresistibly sexually attractive to the people you are most sexually attracted to, with the goal of getting them to naturally respond by initiating and having sex with you as a result of their attraction.

I've read a lot of old DMSI journals and most have been pages and pages of everything except "woman I want to have sex with is initiating sex with me." I wasn't around for the old DMSI, so the old goals may have been different from V5's. Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting something here.

But I don't care about dreams, IOI's, headaches, crotch displays, and whatever.

It's easy to latch on to specific bullet points in the sales copy and assume that DMSI will lead to random women seducing me from start to finish, but I think it's more realistic to assume that I need to do 100% of the work, with DMSI making that work relatively effortless when the right woman is involved. I don't want to limit myself, but I can't help but to come to that conclusion.

In any case, I'm really hoping this sub works out.

So you've gone and read what other people experienced with older versions, and decided to base your conscious response to it on that?  Let me explain why that's a bad way of doing things.

First... older versions.  They're not the version you're using they're not the same technology level, and they don't even use the same script.  The results people got from them do not predict the results people will get from later versions.  Otherwise, I would never have spent the time building v5. v5 is a completely different beast.

Second, the people reporting are not you.  They do not have your unique point of view, experiences in life or circumstances.  Some of them had success, and some of them didn't.  That doesn't mean ANYTHING for what you will experience. They are not you.

Third... what you've effectively done is set yourself up with social hypnosis that will work against what the program is trying to do.  you have consciously decided to "be skeptical" based on useless information (see above) and that means your conscious mind will now be primed to work against what the program is trying to do subconsciously.  To correct this is easy: simply realize that older versions are not what you are running, and you are not these other people, and then let go of any and all expectations (positive or negative) and allow the program to do it's thing without expectations.  Let it show you what it can do, and what it is doing.

DMSI works.  It has worked for a long, long time, but previous to this version, it only worked well enough to achieve the goals for guys who were not cock blocking themselves.  On v3.5, I only got a chance to run it for 3 or 5 days, a very short time, because despite my girlfriend loving what it did, I found myself one morning at breakfast seducing not one, but two servers at once, right in front of my girlfriend, and all three were responding positively.  My girlfriend absolutely does not share.  Several other guys reported similar things, but these guys were not self owning.  The issue has always been fear.  That's why v5 has the latest FRM, and that's why it will take time for some of you guys to achieve serious progress with this program.  It's not an instant thing.  And you don't know what it can, or will, do for you.  So again... let go of what others have experienced with old versions, in the past, who aren't you, and allow the program to do it's thing.

(08-22-2025, 04:16 AM)London1 Wrote: [ -> ]Im starting to believe and i think others too are starting to believe these things dont work.

The description of DMSI makes it seem like some magical thing with guaranteed results but its far from that, its all a sham (im not saying this is Shannon's intention)

That sounds a bit like projection.  I tried to be as factual as possible in the description of DMSI, and the result is a very long, very boring description that is absolutely awful "ad copy".  If I was to write the description as "ad copy", then you might have a point. As for guaranteed results, why would I have so many caveats and disclaimers if there were guaranteed results?  I have that because the responses guys have given over time to previous versions have been so wildly disparate.  You can easily see that by looking up past results.  We do have a money back guarantee, if you purchased DMSI v5 and you ask for a refund within the time limit PayPal will allow for it (I think 90 days, but it's in the refund policy if you want to look) and have followed the instructions... but there is nowhere in the product description where I say that the results are magical or guaranteed for everybody.

Your results will depend on your unique circumstances.  If you use it properly and you give it the necessary time to do what it needs to do to achieve the goal, you should achieve the goal (sex, most likely initiated by her).  The key here is... use it, use it properly, and give it time.  Remember, the reason you're not getting what you want without it boils down to fear.  The fear removal module can get you through that, but you cannot remove fear faster than your fearful parts can handle the process.  If you try, it just makes the fear worse.  I don't dictate how fast that process goes - you do.  For some people this takes more time, and for some, less time.  It may require several months.  

Quote:If you can't get laid without DMSI, you can't get laid with it. Anything that does happen is placebo; you believing that something will change because you believe you're doing this secret thing that one else knows about. Its not the sub itself. Same for all other subs i think.

I've been using OGSF for months now, payed $650, and no difference at all. Idk really what justifies this price.

This is not accurate.  I have seen guys who couldn't get laid without it who did (and have) gotten laid with it.  Multiple times.

And if you think that anything that does happen is placebo, then you're always going to chalk up what it does accomplish as placebo and insist that it did nothing.  We have a few guys who consistently do this, and they're still virgins.  It doesn't help you achieve the goals.  In fact I dare say that what you're actually doing here is watching your fearful subconscious try to manipulate your conscious mind with beliefs that will prevent DMSI from working, or if it does manage to achieve something through this faulty thinking, you have an excuse to still say it didn't work.

Go read the article I wrote on "What is placebo?"  Then consider that we could not stay in business if these subliminals were only producing placebo effects.  They're too expensive for that.

If you've arrived at thinking that all of my subs only work on placebo, then there are two things going on.  First, the sneaky subconscious effort to prevent you from getting results, which is done out of a fear of being controlled by the subliminals usually and sometimes also a fear of what it means if the subliminal does work (you may have a world view that needs changing, which can be very scary); also, it is common for you subconsciously to be very afraid of achieving the goal of the program.  But if you're not getting results from multiple of my subliminals, then you're almost certainly dealing with the first and or second issues.  

I suggest you also go read the post about the types of resistance and how to spot them, if you have not already done so. There are types of resistance that do all sorts of things, including trying to hide the results from your conscious awareness so you believe nothing is happening.  As for OGSF, I know someone who gets such good results from it that it would be over her dead body that she stopped using it.  

Don't fall for the faulty logic of thinking that just because you are having trouble, that none of them work for anyone else.  Believe me, again... we could not stay in business if that was the case.  And now that I am back from vacation, let me know if you have any questions in my response thread.

(08-22-2025, 04:45 AM)treble Wrote: [ -> ]Cycle 2 (Hard Case)



No results



Overall feeling good and relatively stable during the day, but not sleeping through the night -- I'm having lots of weird dreams and even one nightmare. 



Massive headache yesterday and processed something I said to a female friend over 10 years ago. I never quite realized how bad what I said really was until that moment last night. Yikes.



My mind doesn't feel as heavy as it did in cycle 1, but I'm still very much aware that I'm running a subliminal. 



No sense of an aura except after I eat food and feel hot AF, especially at night after dinner, which is super annoying.



Feeling completely invisible to women, even ones that I find attractive. But I will say that I haven't encountered anyone that pulls me in on a full-body level and makes my PP hard, and that's the only type of woman I expect to be affected by this sub based on my understanding so far. Could be wrong. 



Back to listening tomorrow for cycle 3.

By "results", of course, you really mean "No female has raped me yet."  You have had results - your very first post proves that.  You just haven't worked your way through your fears yet.

Not sleeping at night, and having wierd dreams and nightmares, reveals that indeed, FRM is doing it's thing.  These are results.  You just can't get to the good stuff without clearing  out the fears in the way.

Quote:No sense of an aura except after I eat food and feel hot AF, especially at night after dinner, which is super annoying.

This made me laugh, because that heat IS THE AURA!  You didn't recognize it because you had conscious assumptions and expectations of what it would, or should, feel like for you.  It's different for everyone.  You feel it most "right after dinner" because that's when your body has the most FUEL to power it up!

I suggest that you stop trying to run the whole race in one step.  You'll get to the finish line, but you have to do the track first.  It's not going to be instant.  You're working through subconscious fears and that's going to mean your projection may be variable or even incomplete.  That may cause confusion in the women who you are affecting until you get more stable and further along.  And confusion isn't what's going to get responses.  They may see that as evidence that you're not there yet, and keep their responses to themselves.

DMSI has two things going for it: the aura, and the sniper.  

You may not have anyone trigger the sniper, and you may not be allowing yourself to fire it yet, if fear is a big issue.  But you do seem to be projecting the aura.  That should be affecting the people within it, which is typically 6 to 24 feet depending on the person, how much they are executing without fear and how much energy they have to project with.

(08-22-2025, 08:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-22-2025, 04:45 AM)treble Wrote: [ -> ]

By "results", of course, you really mean "No female has raped me yet."  You have had results - your very first post proves that.  You just haven't worked your way through your fears yet.



DMSI has two things going for it: the aura, and the sniper.  

 "No female has raped me yet." - I laughed hard at this.

Anyway quick question, what is "The Sniper"?  I tried looking in the glossary but couldn't find it, tried doing a search and got a lot of results but nothing really explaining it.

@Shannon -- I appreciate the time you took to go through my posts and respond. I think it's completely fair as a new DMSI user to judge DMSI based on past reports from other users, and I'm sure that if the journals were overwhelmingly chock full of smut you would gladly use them as proof that the sub works for other people and should therefore work for most, if not all users. It goes both ways, and I'm sorry but what I've found on the forum doesn't give me much confidence. And despite that, I've still paid the ~$70 bucks per month to give it my own try. I'll keep some of what you said in mind to make sure I approach DMSI with the right mindset, but please give me a break.

I think you're getting the wrong idea of me and my expectations, and you haven't read some of my posts carefully enough. Either that, or my writing is simply not clear.

For example, the first post of this journal was submitted after my first cycle and I said I would give the heaviness another cycle or so before downgrading. Meaning... I fully understand that some heaviness is expected in the beginning, but I simply can't sustain that and do the things I need to do in my life properly. I would be willing to trade speed of results for clarity of thought. Especially if the alternative would be to quit altogether.

And since you responded after my most recent posts, I'm sure you read the report for the second cycle in which I clearly stated the heaviness was already becoming less of an issue.

In my post right before my second cycle report, I clearly stated that I'm only considering results as the major goal of the program -- women that I find sexually attractive reciprocate the attraction and even initiate sex. I also said that it's likely the case that "women raping me" is likely NOT going to happen in the way that my hopeful mind might want it to. You quoted the full post... It's right there.

So, yeah -- duh. I already defined what I consider to be results. I consider the stuff you're talking about to be side effects of running the sub as it may help get me to the goal (results) but is not the goal in and of itself. I didn't subscribe to this subliminal because I wanted to have headaches and dreams. It's just my definition and I've made that pretty clear. Is the sub doing something? Obviously. Did I experience the results I wanted in cycle 2? No, I did not.

About the aura. Please read what you quoted. I said:

Quote:No sense of an aura except after I eat food and feel hot AF, especially at night after dinner, which is super annoying.

I do not sense the aura except after I eat food and feel hot. I do not sense the aura except for the times at which I eat, in which case I do feel the aura and become hot AF. This is particularly annoying after dinner because I'm usually then trying to wind down and go to bed at some point. And it's also really annoying because I'd love to have the aura when I'm out and going about my day, assuming it's supposed to be useful. But I don't feel the aura when I'm out and about. There's no point in having the aura when I'm alone at home trying to sleep and it's preventing me from sleeping.

So I'm glad I gave you a laugh, but I think you missed the joke. I fully understand that the hot feeling is the aura...

Again -- and sincerely -- thank you for taking your time to give your detailed thoughts and feedback. In particular, I will read and re-read your explanation about the current version of DMSI because it's very helpful. But if you are going to respond, I'd appreciate more thoughtful responses and less jumping to conclusions and preaching unnecessarily. I'm skeptical, but I'm also going to give it my best shot.