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Hi all!

I wanted to give the sub awhile to marinate, before I posted again. Today is day 19, so here I am.

Updates:

-Feel much more relaxed and present when talking to girls, not so nervous or up in my head. Almost zero fear or nervousness at all, very noticeable shift. Very big change in that department. I know this because certain girls who I'm very attracted to, I would feel on edge, or up in my head when interacting with them, up to the time before this version came out. So it's easy to compare between the "before" and the "after" if you get me.

-Interactions seem to "flow" better with girls. They're more fun and more enjoyable for me, not the usual tension or anxiety or "objective" focus. But, despite that, I haven't seen any direct sexual attraction or
escalation or general "chasing" from them. So, either the sub has removed my fear/tension etc. and that coupled with my natural personality is allowing this "flow" to occur, and the aura stuff will only happen down the road for some reason. Or, the sub isn't making them take the action required and will require more work. I don't know. It feels with them like something is missing for them to really push to the design goal level. I admit, I'll need to see that in action to truly believe the design goal thing, lmao.

-When on social media recently, I didn't get the same sad depressed feeling like a failure feeling when seeing stuff from girls from the past I got rejected by or didn't attract then. Just kind of took it as is, and moved on from lingering in any negativity. Maybe the failures are being dealt with, or the pedestalising is being dealt with, so they can be more accessible (less painful to lose in some cases as a result) which would facilitate real life interactions in theory if I made contact again if I wanted to. I appreciate the lack of lingering sadness and feelings of inadequacy, even if that's all that happens and nothing ever happens with those girls.

-Some binge eating of junk food has intermittently happened. but lately, I've been able to resist that, however that's often been replaced with just eating more "normal" food...this is an annoying problem. The growling and grumbling from my stomach throughout the day is insane. Especially given the calories ingested. My weight keeps slightly increasing over time, or at least plateauing quite a bit above where I was when I lost my weight. The intake is WAY above needed, I know this because I know my routine, diet, and calorie needs wells for my routine. That's what has allowed me to lose the 65 pounds previously. I don't know why so many calories are being sourced, its ridiculous.

-Some pretty substantial back pain that lasted like a week. I get bad back pain here and there that lasts awhile. However, I know others have commented on it, and you've said it can be something that can be sub-related. So, just to be safe, I decided to post.

-I get a lot of tingling/butterfly in the stomach feelings in my chest/torso while listening, and sometimes without listening. Must be fear/anxiety etc. also, I've had that pain I talked about before, looking down at
my torso, it's between my rib cage and stomach on the left side, just under the bottom of the rib cage, that area there. Pain lasts for a good while, has happened like 3 times or so total so far on this run. Strange.

-Have noticed some of the girls around me that i have/had a "thing" for, aren't quite as amazingly hot as I thought before this version, lol. They're still hot and all in a sense, but not so "WOW...OMG". So that seems like the pedestalisation dismantling theory I wrote about earlier. Very good to see that, I always hated how much I idolised certain girls, which always just ruined my ability to talk to them, make me so nervous, and wreck have any chance of them liking me. Annoying. But I could never stop it, it was always such a sudden, overpowered, visceral feeling of attraction that would just dominate me.

-Still getting the sudden exhaustion bouts while listening where I cant even keep my eyes open properly out of nowhere, then minutes later my energy coming back fully. With this potentially dangerous phenomenon, I only listen in my bed, or in my chair in my bedroom. never anywhere else to be safe.

-One girl I know, white girl so her complexion would show it easier, her face kept going red around me when we were talking, I noticed it, obviously that stood out. Another, west indian so she obviously wouldn't show the same effect, I recalled an earlier talk and something she told me, and then she said the same thing over and over back to me like 2-3 times within a minute or two of each other lol. As if she didn't even hear that I told her about it, meaning, I know already, lol. Never mind how she kept repeating it weirdly, haha. She seemed a bit awkward/shy too overall I'd say. Weird, usually I'm the one that way towards her if anything. And i was up until last weekend, she was the one I wrote about earlier I in the journal when she seemed cold and distant with me and it was only a short interaction and I was disappointed. They're both very hot and have lots of options, for what its worth. Neither are initiating much, but when "opened", they are enjoyable to interact with. Just wanted to mention that too, felt important as the goal is for them to do the "heavy lifting".

-Had at least one bit of depression about my life and how I've fared with girls etc. no doubt resistance or whatever, but enough to mention it.

-There's possibly a degree of lethargy setting in I don't like. I "know" I have certain things to do, but I delay and just vegetate when it comes to them. It feels like a struggle to get going on them. I don't know if it's fear for some reason, or a feeling I have that the sub is "taking up all the cpu of my mind", so you just tend to veg out a lot as a result due to lack of remaining "power" to spend on anything else. To be honest, I'm looking forward to my 4 day break as a result, which for me is starting now until the 21st. Hopefully now I can get motivated and rested up enough to tackle some stuff. I've had a lingering feeling of tiredness mentally as the loops and days have piled up. Looking forward to the break if it's the best course of action.

Okay friends, that's all for now. Shannon, if you want me to add more loops, or sidestep this break and push on for awhile to breakthrough something (both of which I'm considering), let me know.

Have a great day all!
Looks like there is some progress Catman! Hopefully you get even better results over time!
I see progress, which is very encouraging. Just keep following the directions for now.

What format and volume and player type are you using?
(10-17-2019, 08:37 AM)HMoody Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like there is some progress Catman! Hopefully you get even better results over time!

Thank you very much for the kind words, man!

I wish you great success yourself.
(10-17-2019, 11:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I see progress, which is very encouraging. Just keep following the directions for now.

What format and volume and player type are you using?

I figured you would, Shannon. At least with the vastly decreased fear/anxiety with girls, which I used to feel a great deal of before the version released. So, that's a tangible difference that can be clearly compared between the "before" and "after", even if nothing else. So, it is encouraging indeed.

I listen 1 of 2 ways:

1. Media Player Classic on my PC. Hybrid headphones flac. About 70-73 decibels. Sennheiser PC350s.

2. iPod and one small bluetooth speaker I've posted about in the past that is tiny, but very good quality and plays ultrasonic with no issue. Sadly, it isn't made anymore by that company, they produce other speakers, not sure how good THOSE are to be honest. But I listen at about the low 70's in decibels on it as well. And .mp3 format so it works on the iPod.

I tend to get dreams I can recall more often with the speaker ultrasonic. Maybe the hybrid headphones flac routine is too "deep". Alternatively, the speaker with ultrasonic is more "shallow" and hits closer to the conscious mind. I remember you posting about that.

I do about a 60:40 split, headphone being a bit more common. I usually only use the speaker if. I need my loops in for the day and I don't have the energy or want to stay up late for hours to get my loops in.

I'm okay to experiment on loops, or rest day schedule. As it stands, fif I keep the same routine on the sales page, I'll be off the sub until
Tuesday. Just so you are aware in case of any tweaks that can be considered!
Let's not change anything yet.

Just please make sure you are using a safe volume with headphones, considering the hybrid uses an ultrasonic component.
"Still getting the sudden exhaustion bouts while listening where I cant even keep my eyes open properly out of nowhere, then minutes later my energy coming back fully. With this potentially dangerous phenomenon, I only listen in my bed, or in my chair in my bedroom. never anywhere else to be safe."

That's a really good sign. The exhaustion is likely two parts of your subconscious trying to reconcile each other, the old you vs the new you. Well done!

I'd suggest a fat burner if you're struggling with the junk food. They're a thermogenic (increase metabolic rate), appetite suppressing and mood enhancing (to handle the hypoglycaemia). When combined with 30 minutes of walking a day, you'll see the fat start falling off.

Amazing progress!
It sounds to me like it’s working. The girl blushing, and the one talking weirdly and awkwardly are both VERY good things. Depending on where you were, the only thing stopping them may be that they couldn’t think of an appropriate way to initiate something. Great job.
Thanks Paul1131 and Determined for the kind words. I appreciate it! I admit, I'm a bit hesitant to really "commit" to design goal working for me with girls I find attractive, but I will of course continue listening and posting from time to time.

This is the guideline I use to be safe at all times, Shannon. I've recommended it to others too: http://dangerousdecibels.org/education/i...uidelines/

Also, I use two apps on my phone to track decibels before starting each session. One app is called SPLnFFT, which measures the decibels more clearly. And because it's been recommended by you long ago, I also use this in conjunction with Frequensee for redundancy.
Day 28.

Still listening. Had 3 dreams last night. Two strange, one could be classified as a "nightmare" I think. The weird potent tingling feeling in my chest when listening has continued. Porn use has been somewhat regular, regular masturbation has continued for a long time. Since an earlier DMSI broke the "cure" "Stop Masturbating 4G" created. Very unfortunate that happened, as I haven't been able to shake it again since.

Anyway, today out at a social event. The girls I knew there (one I've written about before here as one I do find attractive and was emo she didn't respond on day 1 of the program, lol), save one, were "so busy" they couldn't come over and spend time with me to interact. That annoyed me, and I felt rejected again, and back to wanting their attention and validation to show me the program is doing ANYTHING to them. Sadly, I again was disappointed with what happened. And even when talking at the end, before I left, they were kinda weird. Like they couldn't be bothered, reserved, or distracted, or rushed I don't know. It just felt "off", awkward, which is strange. No signs of wanting to continue things, talk later, go out, or escalate, or whatever. Even simple "kino" like hugging has almost completely DIED now on this version, that's been ruined for me somehow on this. Now, they seem awkward or inhibited to do any kind of "kino", even sometimes being kinda distanced from me when they never would be beforehand, they used to be more natural in many cases. I've "started" the hug a few times which feels so cringe as it sometimes seems forced, which I don't want to do ever, so I will stop now. I don't get what the hell is the deal. Hugging, as pathetic as it sounds, but at the risk of being brutally honest to help testing, was the only form of female physical contact I had. Sucks to have that slipping away over time now...makes me feel even further away from being the "ladies man" I'm supposed to be becoming...and even harder to get them. And makes the thought of me being one...even more ridiculous than it was previously. Wonderful.

The way I see it, if I was some "DMSI man" they would have made me a priority. This is a month into the mission now, something external should be occurring especially in these social environments. The fact that nothing like that is happening doesn't bode well for this thing. Very concerning again. And now due to things recently with girls, I'm seeing more feelings of futility about bothering with girls as I've written about often before for a year or two or more, and some nervousness coming back with girls in situations because a part of me is worried about being disappointed with the program and myself when they don't respond *again*. Seems this version has been a disappointment also, I can't say I've seen too much world shaking from it around the forum. We waited a very long time to finally get it, so that is a big letdown for me.

I don't know man, it still doesn't seem like anything is really punching through to these girls and making them think we're "hot". Still seems like me chasing validation and attention, feeling inferior, and getting crumbs in return. Sometimes an interaction goes better than expected, and I'm happy and optimistic. Next time, the same girl can be completely different, cold, distant, seemingly indifferent or not even noticing me, saying she is SO busy, and I feel like a failure. Like that girl I wrote about when her face kinda went red a few times talking to me, or watering eyes. Next EXACT weekend with her, cold, distant, awkward, almost zero interaction, extremely bizarre. So obviously it is nothing more than random occurrence, her mood or whatever, zero influence from anything else. Which was the same thing with the other versions. Whatever.

Half of me is SO fed up with listening to this sub, version after version, month after month, year after year, and still not having any external success with girls. The other half wants to try to see success with this, because other subs should be child's play to me by comparison through the skeleton script that finally DOES work, if that's possible, which I do massively doubt I admit still. Still seems impossible to ever become a guy they actually give a shit about. The urge to continue needs to be given some kind of "fuel" in actual results, it isn't self-sustaining in and of itself. Many times I've wondered if it's a complete waste of time and money or not, and what results I have had with girls I would not have had before with them. Hard to answer while seeming positive, but that is one thing I have tried to keep doing for years here despite the endless mediocrity...
Cayman, I have a suggestion for you. It might be easier said than done, but worth trying. Keep running the sub, but don’t worry about girls, results, or anything. I’m serious. Jut listen to the water noises for the requisite amount of time and go about your life for a while.
Sounds like you need a paradigm shift.

Your whole second paragraph is just wrong for several reasons
1) You're in their frame e.g "Sucks to have that slipping away over time now". You're the one who gives validation, not them. By seeking physical contact, you're basically a doggy chasing a treat. Jumping through her hoops to get it. If you're stuck in her frame you're always losing. This paradigm needs to change.
2) I never continue with a girl if she gives me 3 No's that are adamant. Anything further is just folly.
3) They've already made their mind up about you long before DMSI 3.3. Their perceptions which they're projecting onto you is only going to entrap you and keep you as their puppet. Same for reason #2, If women start projecting crap on me I leave.
4) You're dealing with a group. They're obviously sharing their projections of you. To them when they see you it's like "oh no here's Catman again, I wonder what weird creepy thing he'll do this time to fit into my projection of him". Once again shifting your paradigm is the solution. When you stop fitting their frame, they'll do a double take.

The only known method to get women who've put you in the "NO" category is called the 'Gatsby Method" where a man disappears and undergoes a radical transformation so far beyond the old them, that the new them is attractive and appealing. This works by creating confusion in the recipient as they try to reconcile the you they have in their mind to the one they see in front of their eyes. As a byproduct of this, they're now open to new understandings of you. This never works if the man consciously chooses to do this to get a certain girl, rather it works when a man shifts his paradigm. By walking away and doing the above steps, you already become that man.

Hope this was somewhat insightful.
Hey Catman... I'm glad you are journaling. Still looking forward to reading how ARA helped your Brother!!

I agree with Determined. The best example I can think of is the new kid in school. When you have a chance to get to know them better and ask, "Were you always this popular?" They usually reply, "Not until I moved to this new school."
Catman...have you used Women Magnet before? Having read through the alpha/money/women journals for the past few years my overview is that some of the 5G subs MAY seem to be more successful than some of the 5.5 or 5.75G subs.(Again this is just a basic overview). This is based on tangible results of others as well as myself.

Of the 5.5G subs the only ones where I actually saw a difference in myself were: Self Esteem and DMSI (used last year...in terms of me making myself look and dress better).

There's not many WM journals but from the few there are ..it seems pretty good. We tend to get stuck in this routine of newer is always better. The newer 5.75G tech is very advanced...but don't overlook what has been tried and tested before...even if it is 'older' tech.
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