Subliminal Talk

LTU goes straight to some of the deepest issues we have. Nearly every user of LTU5 has reported this, me included. However, I expected this, having used Shannon's powerful subs before.

Suicide is a last option. An irreversible option. Get yourself some help, for it sounds like you're alone stewing on this one option. I've only considered it one time in my life, and that was happened when me and my wife split up. Self blame is still one of the most destructive forces that exist. And suicide seems like an easy answer when pain is overwhelming.

Get out of your place, call anyone for help, and just move your body. Your mind will follow if you move your feet. Your words tell us you're alone and stewing. Not a good mix.

And BTW, my niece took her life last year. We learned later she had pulled off her BP meds, and had slunk into a deep spot through withdrawals. There's nothing good about it.

Hittman, go tell someone, someone who you might not even know. You are more important than you know.

(04-14-2019, 09:37 AM)findingme Wrote: [ -> ]LTU goes straight to some of the deepest issues we have.  Nearly every user of LTU5 has reported this, me included.  However, I expected this, having used Shannon's powerful subs before.  

Suicide is a last option.  An irreversible option.  Get yourself some help, for it sounds like you're  alone stewing on this one option.  I've only considered it one time in my life, and that was happened when me and my wife split up.  Self blame is still one of the most destructive forces that exist.  And suicide seems like an easy answer when pain is overwhelming.

Get out of your place, call anyone for help, and just move your body.  Your mind will follow if you move your feet.  Your words tell us you're alone and stewing.  Not a good mix.

And BTW, my niece took her life last year.  We learned later she had pulled off her BP meds, and had slunk into a deep spot through withdrawals.  There's nothing good about it.  

Hittman, go tell someone, someone who you might not even know.  You are more important than you know.

Thanks for your reply.

What have your results been with LTU and what were the overall results from it?

Thanks for your time.

(04-14-2019, 10:42 AM)Hittman1124 Wrote: [ -> ]What have your results been with LTU and what were the overall results from it?

I did 2 weeks of LTU5, pulled off due to having been on another vendor's subs (they conflicted), then returned last week.

I'm still getting results, some painful, and some relieving. I've been hidden in denial much of my life having been raised in an alcoholic home, and LTU goes straight to the root.

I feel sad just mentioning those things--but I did just start my hybrid loops. I began LTU primarily since it had Universal Detox (UD) in it, which I own and used for almost 3 full months. What I first remember about my UD run was the ending, where I was not afraid to be honest. That was incredibly freeing. But being a mental and emotional detox, it was shaking off my bullshit quickly when I started it, and I grieved a lot since I had clung to old beliefs and lies for decades.

I've felt that sadness rise while on LTU, but it's not as pointed as it was running it solo, for me. But hiding from obvious truths, an old family coping mechanism, was ingrained heavily into me. I began LTU mostly for that release, that shedding of lies. It's happening. I'm just finally agreeing with Shannon that just because it's quiet doesn't mean it's not working.

Hiding from my truths also makes me feel incompetent around others. It takes so much mental energy to deny fricken truths. Like I know stuff, but opening my mouth I can feel afraid and invite teasing. So I keep my thoughts to myself a lot.

And LTU is working on them. Running LTU now, I am still feeling sad. Even scared of possible changes which may happen.


Me writing you earlier made me check myself too. I was like "go talk to somebody!", yet I've been home alone this weekend myself. I realized when I don't give of myself in relationships, I get depressed. I've avoided my ex and my mom this weekend, I just got back from Walmart, and I texted both. I am still prone to lying on the phone, so I began by texting. I've been avoiding my sister too............

I realize that old fears of giving all of myself away (for the sake of an unhealthy relationship) have been very active. I gave a lot of my life away when younger, having learned to depend solely on a sibling growing up. E3 and UD inside LTU are working on this, or it'd not be on my mind.

This is where I am with LTU (began crying just now). I use it to heal me, and it is.

I'm rooting for the both of you, truly. I hope you find yoir freedom. I hope you both find your relief.

Thanks EP. I am finding some freedom today.

Specifically, my posting here helped me. I didn't give all of myself away, and I didn't hold it all in. Doing either of those things would have resulted in me essentially abandoning this journal and it's writer. I've done that before. There is a balance between giving and holding back, and simply telling my truth helped me. Thanks goes to UD for that

That's good findingme. I'm glad for you man. I wish ypu the best.

Thanks for your replies Fellas.

How do you really know if it’s the sub making you feel a certain way or if it’s you, your physiological self making you feel depressed. I have been feeling like shit the past few days. Is it the meds, I went back on my SSRI today in combo with NSI just bc all I’ve done today is sleep. I tried a new montage with tDCS today to help with my mood. Is it LTU making me feel this way or is it just that I’m all effed up.

There have been some good days, but far and few between. My mind just feels useless, slow and dull. The whole idea of NSI making me smart and enhancing my memory/cognitive abilities like it has for a lot seems like wishful thinking at this point.

It’s like I’m realizing what I am even more as I listen to LTU and I don’t like what I’m finding out. Last wk at this time I felt great, had a wonderful Sunday and was my second day on NSI. I had nothing but great expectations for the future and here I am back to feeling like I have for the past 2 months; sad and hopeless.

Do I go back to smoking weed everyday?!? It’s still medication, just a different form. It gave me that “it” factor, I was with it and on it. It wasn’t just me being high either, I was producing.

Whoa is me right....

I’m running from the person I don’t want to be and wake up to be him everyday. I try to change the man in the mirror but the struggle continues. Feel like a dog chasing my tail.

It sounds to me more like this: You've been told in the past that your mind is slow, dull and useless, and then you internalized it, and now you're dealing with the consequences of your internalization. You're probably smarter than you think you are but your internalization of this POV becomes swlf fulfilling prophecy and your mi d gets slower because that's what it expects. I suggest you stay on LTU5 and get professional help, one that utilizes cognitive behavioural therapy. Also, even if you are slow, that doesn't make you useless. There's still plenty of value you can bring to the world. So it's all rooted in self image issues rooted in the past. I say stay on LTU5 ans work through those self acceptence issues. That's the best advice I have right now. Maybe some flash of insight will come forth in the future that will helpbyou out but I feel this is probably pretty accurate. So just stick with LTU5 and get some therapy. Work through those issues you have with self acceptence and your past and as you love yourself more, you might just start noticing your mind becoming quicker

It's hard to answer since you have so many imputs simultaneously. Restarting SSRI's along with NSI, plus tDCS, plus..., plus... All those things are good, but making a cocktail is putting yourself on an emotional roller coaster.

I began subliminals over 2 years ago before finding IML. The results were good. If I'd done 3-5 remedies simultaneously, I might have been jaded, thinking they didn't work. I might have felt like I failed by even trying again. I'd then have sought the easiest, safest relief I knew, whether it was hiding, moping, attending more 12 step meetings, or anything just to feel better.

Considering your new intake of both meds and NSI, it'd be darn near impossible to distinguish which caused what effect. Just my 2 cents.

Concerning LTU, it's a cocktail all by itself. We're all learning effects currently. LTU is doing its work. Ask Shannon for his advice. I read he thought you were trying to do it all at once, and he saw it not working effectively. Keep your ears open. Keep asking questions. Be realistic in your expectations--of both yourself, and all the remedies you're mixing.

And lastly, be nicer to yourself. It sounds like you beat the snot out of yourself regularly. You're worth more than that.