Shannon's Journal Discussion

[cfact]

MHS causes the body to focus on and actively heal itself of damage (and potentially other types of issues) as fast as possible, without scars.

Would use MHS in this scenario be useful or advisable:
After heavy lifting, I want to maximize recovery; would MHS repair as much muscle/tendon/joint strain/damage as possible on the night after lifting and rest days, so that when I go back to the gym my body is as ready as it can be?

I am not talking about breaking stuff - just the regular micro-tears with lifting - https://www.muscleforlife.com/how-to-qui...in-muscle/

By lifting weights, you are actually causing tiny tears (known as “micro-tears”) in the muscle fibers, which the body then repairs and adapts the muscles to better handle the stimulus that caused the damage. This is the process by which muscles grow (scientifically termed hypertrophy).

[Illumi]

Honestly i just wanted to #### her bad, she wanted it too i saw it in her eyes, had i done even 5% better i could have had her. I mean for #### sake i had her against the wall grabbing and slaping her ass. I was talking in her ear and she was almost moaning, simultaniously saying random shit testing stuff. Id say i my biggest mistake was not being aggresive enough!

I know how outlandish this sounds, its just that women here are very passive and random.

[robstar]

I dunno robstar, I approached a woman once who I helkd hands with right away and she was like "do women always let you touch them?" went on to get her saying later (when I was indeed getting tired of her behavior) "See, now you don't like me because I'm a cop" (She was a cop supposedly) anyhow I was like "no, it's just that you don't seem to be big on the touching, but I am so..."

Later she grabbed my hand and we kept talking. I got her number too but it wasn't meant to be.

I dunno, still too needy?

The problem I have with the "walk away" school of thought is that I'd be walking away from every girl. Shit tests drive me up the wall, so does their faulty logic, self-centeredness, the way they talk, everything. So yeah, I don't know how you reconcile all that. It's one thing to walk away because you have options, but it's another to be walking away all the time.

It seems like you showed you were willing to walk away, you basically implied you like touching and she doesn't so it wouldn't work out between you.. obviously it got her chasing you if she grabbed your hand afterwards.. it was clearly her way of saying "see I'm totally OK with the touching!". Sounds like she was attracted in the moment, whatever reason it didn't work out afterwards wasn't from lack of it, maybe she started seeing someone else, or second-guessed the idea of going on a date with someone she barely knew, who knows.
As for the walking away, you gotta have some sort of tolerance for shit tests, just gotta find out where you draw the line. For me it's if a girl implies she feels she's higher value than me in some way, I don't want to be fucking a girl who is thinking "I'm letting this guy fuck me", that's a turn-off for me. I've never been into the whole winning a girl over thing, she's either a hell-yes or a no.

[Illumi]

So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just real, but the point she said "does this ever work for you?". Is the point you should've just said "Nah never" and walked off and flirted with other girls. If she really did want you she would've chased the hell out of you at that point.. what you did was hand your balls to her on a platter and became boring at that moment, you accepted her frame of you chasing her and her being above you because you showed outright it didn't matter how much of a bitch she was you had no boundaries and were unwilling to walk away.

You gotta get her from thinking "hmm am I gonna let this guy **** me" to "damn I wanna **** this guy", and for that she needs to sense you could walk at any moment.
Particularly true for 10s because they're not used to it and it makes you the rarest among rare.

Thats just theory that you'd think makes sense, i did leave her many times but she did not come running back to me. That girl was not from around and i only had one shot.
Also i've said before i've tried playing less aggrsive and more stratigic. Didn't get me nowhere. Also my hands were all over her and she was smiling when she said if this ever works for me. Clearly it works, but you just cant win them all.

But you said the key word here which was "playing". You tried playing less aggressive. I'm not saying not to be aggressive, aggression is great, I'm saying you were outcome dependant and weren't willing to walk away from shitty behavior. I would've genuinely walked away at that point, I don't believe you can recover from "does this ever work for you", even if she's smiling, to me it's a sign she believes she's higher value than you and there's no coming back from that. But that's just my perception. And if she was in fact just shit testing with that statement and genuinely attracted to you, walking away at that point would have the potential to get her to wanna prove herself to you.
I totally agree with you on you can't win them all that's why I think cutting your losses earlier is better and if she comes back, great. Anyway, I'm just preaching outcome independance, that shit shows in your micro-behavior.
Please don't think I think I'm better than you or anything like that, I just don't like the state of the world ATM with girls thinking they're top shit and that they have magic vaginas so I'm just suggesting we flip the script and realise we deserve an abundance of great sex with chicks who aren't constantly trying to "test" us or believing we should be kneeling at their feet.

I agree with most of what you are saying bro, i know where you are coming from.
Its just that some lessons are best learned through experiance, im just 21 and im still learning. 1 month ago i was stonewalling so bad i could not even speak right! Now im in a great flow testing and experiancing DMSI greatness.

[Cozy]

I dunno robstar, I approached a woman once who I helkd hands with right away and she was like "do women always let you touch them?" went on to get her saying later (when I was indeed getting tired of her behavior) "See, now you don't like me because I'm a cop" (She was a cop supposedly) anyhow I was like "no, it's just that you don't seem to be big on the touching, but I am so..."

Later she grabbed my hand and we kept talking. I got her number too but it wasn't meant to be.

I dunno, still too needy?

The problem I have with the "walk away" school of thought is that I'd be walking away from every girl. Shit tests drive me up the wall, so does their faulty logic, self-centeredness, the way they talk, everything. So yeah, I don't know how you reconcile all that. It's one thing to walk away because you have options, but it's another to be walking away all the time.

Walking away never works unless you have something else going on, if you don't (and especially if she sees it) you're just out of luck.

Girls never realize how unimportant they are until it's too late.. always. If and when she sees that "too late" scenario then she'll come back, but if you play into her self esteem, you've pretty much lost the war.

[robstar]

Honestly i just wanted to #### her bad, she wanted it too i saw it in her eyes, had i done even 5% better i could have had her. I mean for #### sake i had her against the wall grabbing and slaping her ass. I was talking in her ear and she was almost moaning, simultaniously saying random shit testing stuff. Id say i my biggest mistake was not being aggresive enough!

I know how outlandish this sounds, its just that women here are very passive and random.

Hey man that's totally fair enough, I'm not saying she didn't "want" to fuck you, just that to me it seems for whatever reason she wasn't "willing" to, IE wasn't dtf. Maybe she was super attracted to you but had a boyfriend or something, who knows why, hell for all I know she might hate the idea of kissing in public. Did you ask her to come home with you?

[Sickologist]

Yeah, right. I'm being hostile for saying it the way it is.

If you're alternative strategy doesn't work, which it wouldn't have, I'm gonna point that out. You implied he should have left her alone saying "it doesn't work" (weak move) and flirt with other girls instead. It's a much stronger move to take her on right there saying something like the examples I came up with. In another situation, your way could have worked better and I would've said so. But do you rather I lie or something?

The way Illumi described the situation is something I can see myself in, been there many times before. When a girl says "has that ever worked for you?" it means one of out two things, a) she's inexperienced and is actually asking "SHOULD that work?" or and this was the case here b) she has some experience and tries to establish whether he's a square or a badass cuz she wasn't completely sure yet.

Btw, I've never heard any pua say flip the script. I heard that phrase from a black guy in Florida who was good with women, it made sense to me at the time.

Illumi knows what was going on, robstar read post #8710.

[Cozy]

Honestly i just wanted to #### her bad, she wanted it too i saw it in her eyes, had i done even 5% better i could have had her. I mean for #### sake i had her against the wall grabbing and slaping her ass. I was talking in her ear and she was almost moaning, simultaniously saying random shit testing stuff. Id say i my biggest mistake was not being aggresive enough!

I know how outlandish this sounds, its just that women here are very passive and random.

If I were you I would start looking at girls like prey, if you're too aggressive they'll run away, but if you do it just right, the cards will fall in your favor.

[SargeMaximus]

I dunno robstar, I approached a woman once who I helkd hands with right away and she was like "do women always let you touch them?" went on to get her saying later (when I was indeed getting tired of her behavior) "See, now you don't like me because I'm a cop" (She was a cop supposedly) anyhow I was like "no, it's just that you don't seem to be big on the touching, but I am so..."

Later she grabbed my hand and we kept talking. I got her number too but it wasn't meant to be.

I dunno, still too needy?

The problem I have with the "walk away" school of thought is that I'd be walking away from every girl. Shit tests drive me up the wall, so does their faulty logic, self-centeredness, the way they talk, everything. So yeah, I don't know how you reconcile all that. It's one thing to walk away because you have options, but it's another to be walking away all the time.

It seems like you showed you were willing to walk away, you basically implied you like touching and she doesn't so it wouldn't work out between you.. obviously it got her chasing you if she grabbed your hand afterwards.. it was clearly her way of saying "see I'm totally OK with the touching!". Sounds like she was attracted in the moment, whatever reason it didn't work out afterwards wasn't from lack of it, maybe she started seeing someone else, or second-guessed the idea of going on a date with someone she barely knew, who knows.
As for the walking away, you gotta have some sort of tolerance for shit tests, just gotta find out where you draw the line. For me it's if a girl implies she feels she's higher value than me in some way, I don't want to be ***** a girl who is thinking "I'm letting this guy **** me", that's a turn-off for me. I've never been into the whole winning a girl over thing, she's either a hell-yes or a no.

Ok, cool. I appreciate the insight because being clueless just makes me start guessing myself into a hamster lol.

I don't like the whole "win the girl" thing either. Especially with impressing the girl or DHV is just... blech to me.

I wouldn't mind the "I'm letting this guy f*ck me" if that's what she needs to tell herself to still feel good about the situation.

[robstar]

So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just real, but the point she said "does this ever work for you?". Is the point you should've just said "Nah never" and walked off and flirted with other girls. If she really did want you she would've chased the hell out of you at that point.. what you did was hand your balls to her on a platter and became boring at that moment, you accepted her frame of you chasing her and her being above you because you showed outright it didn't matter how much of a bitch she was you had no boundaries and were unwilling to walk away.

You gotta get her from thinking "hmm am I gonna let this guy **** me" to "damn I wanna **** this guy", and for that she needs to sense you could walk at any moment.
Particularly true for 10s because they're not used to it and it makes you the rarest among rare.

Thats just theory that you'd think makes sense, i did leave her many times but she did not come running back to me. That girl was not from around and i only had one shot.
Also i've said before i've tried playing less aggrsive and more stratigic. Didn't get me nowhere. Also my hands were all over her and she was smiling when she said if this ever works for me. Clearly it works, but you just cant win them all.

But you said the key word here which was "playing". You tried playing less aggressive. I'm not saying not to be aggressive, aggression is great, I'm saying you were outcome dependant and weren't willing to walk away from shitty behavior. I would've genuinely walked away at that point, I don't believe you can recover from "does this ever work for you", even if she's smiling, to me it's a sign she believes she's higher value than you and there's no coming back from that. But that's just my perception. And if she was in fact just shit testing with that statement and genuinely attracted to you, walking away at that point would have the potential to get her to wanna prove herself to you.
I totally agree with you on you can't win them all that's why I think cutting your losses earlier is better and if she comes back, great. Anyway, I'm just preaching outcome independance, that shit shows in your micro-behavior.
Please don't think I think I'm better than you or anything like that, I just don't like the state of the world ATM with girls thinking they're top shit and that they have magic vaginas so I'm just suggesting we flip the script and realise we deserve an abundance of great sex with chicks who aren't constantly trying to "test" us or believing we should be kneeling at their feet.

I agree with most of what you are saying bro, i know where you are coming from.
Its just that some lessons are best learned through experiance, im just 21 and im still learning. 1 month ago i was stonewalling so bad i could not even speak right! Now im in a great flow testing and experiancing DMSI greatness.

That's fantastic dude, like I said, I'm not trying to argue there's a superior way, hell I've certainly done my fair share of persisting like crazy, just over time I found that for me it never ended up being worth all the mental energy invested! Just find your own boundaries, which I'm sure you will. There's a blogger called blackdragon who says there's two types of guys, "thrill of the hunt" guys and "pleasure of sex" guys. If getting that girl you badly wanted all night gives you a thrill and is satisfying then you're best off ignoring my advice coz I'm the latter! But if what you're after purely good sex and you don't really care about actual seduction aspect, then you're best off learning the signs on if a girl is looking to get fucked, and dropping off if she isn't. Best of luck dude, hope dmsi goes great for you. I'm a little addicted to giving advice on this topic, coz I'm in a purely self-development phase of my life so I'm living vicariously through others

[robstar]

Yeah, right. I'm being hostile for saying it the way it is.

If you're alternative strategy doesn't work, which it wouldn't have, I'm gonna point that out. You implied he should have left her alone saying "it doesn't work" (weak move) and flirt with other girls instead. It's a much stronger move to take her on right there saying something like the examples I came up with. In another situation, your way could have worked better and I would've said so. But do you rather I lie or something?

The way Illumi described the situation is something I can see myself in, been there many times before. When a girl says "has that ever worked for you?" it means one of out two things, a) she's inexperienced and is actually asking "SHOULD that work?" or and this was the case here b) she has some experience and tries to establish whether he's a square or a badass cuz she wasn't completely sure yet.

Btw, I've never heard any pua say flip the script. I heard that phrase from a black guy in Florida who was good with women, it made sense to me at the time.

Illumi knows what was going on, robstar read post #8710.

Calling what I said "lame ass textbook rsd crap" is not saying it how it is, it's purely being hostile. Especially since I don't know anything about rsd other than its a pickup site.
I think what you're not getting is I wasn't giving advice on what actions to take to get the girl, I was giving advice on a different perspective of seeing things, and talking about a state of mind(outcome independance). I don't know how you see what I said as a weak move though, it would be if it's done as a tactic as opposed to actually not giving a shit.
Communication is massively non-verbal, saying "nah it doesnt" and walking away is basically saying "I have zero care about your opinion of me". I have literally done the exact thing I described and had the girl come up to me 5 mins later when I was talking to other girls and said "Why'd you leave?". She couldn't handle the fact that I didn't kiss her ass. But yeah there's plenty of cases where I'd walk away in a similar context and nothing would happen, but that's the whole point, it's not a move I'd just rather find a girl that's more fun and isn't afraid to show she's attracted to me. Honestly for me I just hate when girls take the frame of me trying to pick them up, so I can't be bothered at that point. Maybe my ego is too big but I want girls to wanna fuck me, not girls who are trying to size me up.
I do get where you're coming from, it's the classic seduction vs screening debate.

[Sickologist]

I perfectly understand what you were saying. Most of what you've wrote here was okay, what I had an issue with was that reply, she said "does that ever work for you?", then it's pretty weak to say "no, it doesn't". That's retreating from an already sexually charged situation. She was trying to feel him out, if his strong vibe was real. I'd say something like "it's worked on hotter girls than you" and then kiss her. That's a strong move, something they never heard before.

I don't see "abundance mentality" as a requirement to get laid. The girl isn't thinking "is this guy abundant?". It was more like "holy shit, actually a guy who has balls to try to fuck me". That signals experience and also abundance, he's done it before it seems to her. It's more important to pass a girls looks threshold than to have social proof and stuff like that.

I don't know where you live dude, but here where we live this is how you get laid, being extremely aggressive. Or you have to be a complete pussy and sniff her ass at every turn. There's no in between.

I don't disagree with flirting with other girls, but she was a 10 by his book, the girl he wanted to fuck. Of course he should do that. And if she wasn't interested, she would've stopped him long before he was caressing her and making her moan, something I can really identify with.

Of course you want girls to want to fuck you, can't say anything about that. I'm like that too. It was also the situation here. But like we've said many times, girls in Scandinavia are some strange ass creatures. I've been to a few other countries, which is why I said if it happen another place, maybe your strategy would've worked. Here it doesn't, that's just the way it is.

Btw, I believe it screening more than seduction. Hence, what I wrote in my first reply to Illumi. But you just can't blame a guy for gunning on with a hot 10 who was obviously into him.

[robstar]

I perfectly understand what you were saying. Most of what you've wrote here was okay, what I had an issue with was that reply, she said "does that ever work for you?", then it's pretty weak to say "no, it doesn't". That's retreating from an already sexually charged situation. She was trying to feel him out, if his strong vibe was real. I'd say something like "it's worked on hotter girls than you" and then kiss her. That's a strong move, something they never heard before.

I don't see "abundance mentality" as a requirement to get laid. The girl isn't thinking "is this guy abundant?". It was more like "holy shit, actually a guy who has balls to try to **** me". That signals experience and also abundance, he's done it before it seems to her. It's more important to pass a girls looks threshold than to have social proof and stuff like that.

I don't know where you live dude, but here where we live this is how you get laid, being extremely aggressive. Or you have to be a complete pussy and sniff her ass at every turn. There's no in between.

I don't disagree with flirting with other girls, but she was a 10 by his book, the girl he wanted to ****. Of course he should do that. And if she wasn't interested, she would've stopped him long before he was caressing her and making her moan, something I can really identify with.

Of course you want girls to want to **** you, can't say anything about that. I'm like that too. It was also the situation here. But like we've said many times, girls in Scandinavia are some strange ass creatures. I've been to a few other countries, which is why I said if it happen another place, maybe your strategy would've worked. Here it doesn't, that's just the way it is.

Btw, I believe it screening more than seduction. Hence, what I wrote in my first reply to Illumi. But you just can't blame a guy for gunning on with a hot 10 who was obviously into him.

I guess I forgot the sarcastic tone. Like "nah never". Imagine how you'd react if a fat chick acted like you were hitting on her, you would just walk away laughing, that's the kinda frame I'm talking about. Like walking away as if she's a loser for saying what she said.
I think you're right in saying that countries may be a massive difference in the way we need to interact. I live in Melbourne, Australia. Guys here are commonly aggressive, often stupidly so. What works for me here, is being aggressive in the sense of physically escalating, but also being chill, pulling back letting her chase a little, showing that other girls are into you. Here in Aus, if a girl says something like "does that ever work for you", I can only imagine her saying it in a tone of "wow you're trying too hard". That's why when you said a girl could ask that if she's inexperienced and wondering if that's how it works, I guess it just doesn't fit the attitude of Australian girls.

[Shannon]

What if you could bulid one flac hybrid and one flac masked ? With the rest being of the MP3! Id really like me a hybrid flac DMSI:

That doesn't make sense...