Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Shannon]

@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision. Some people who fall in trance easily lose consciousness, they don't remember a thing, when you give them suggestion they act on some and not on others, the conscious mind does nothing here as far as I'm aware. Also if you test it on yourself, the conscious mind is slow, when you do things fast, ask a question very fast and the first reaction will come from the subconscious, if you overload the conscious mind, the subconscious take the decision. Many things we don't do consciously. There are a lot of little test you can do on yourself to test this and ask things to your subconscious mind, often he won't cooperate. I also believe that there is something above the subconscious mind that is guiding the subconscious mind but that's another topic and it's just theory at this point.
I have a friend who is a "pseudo hypnotist", consciously he want to do hypnosis as a job. But each time I watch him closely and give him conscious advice on how to become one his subconscious finds ways to resist and ignore everything I say. On this particular case he is more like a robot without much conscious decisions, his subconscious does almost take all the important decision, he thinks he is in control but he is not.
Most people I encounter are more controlled by their subconscious, and doesn't take much conscious decisions.

I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

@Shannon what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better? what do you think meditation does on your subconscious mind relationship with your conscious mind.

There are different types of meditation, and I am not an expert on that matter. If you can find a way to communicate to your subconscious mind that the reasons it resists are invalid, and get it to cooperate, that's a good thing. So far bypassing the conscious mind's influence completely, as we do with subliminals, this has been very challenging. It is certainly possible that meditating the right way might help. I can't say for sure. As to what it does, that depends on the type of meditation, the dedication, the experience, the personality, etc.

[Shannon]

@"Cyanide" I cant seem to post up, tried 3 times - will try 1 more time - please check bro!
Sorry bro once it posted I saw the others then were posted too :/ but posting is taking forever so still check if you can, thanks.
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@Shannon Hey bro hope youre doing well.

Ive come off DMSI due to be super outgoing the last week or 2. Not sure if this is DMSI but I was too tired and exhausted to find time to listen with my headphones.

I aim to get back and start again.

So just wondering, how far do you think you are from closing all the resistance we face so we can execute all of the sub and will we ever execute all of this or any sub?

thanks in advance bro!

I have no idea. I'm currently awaiting the next testing phase of Beast 16 (which is where I will be testing the next batch of ideas) to see if any of them perform. I am currently working on developing the custom sub and B16. B16 is coming along very slowly, but it is close to being in the "buildable" state. The only thing I or anyone else can do is be diligent and patient.

Awesome. B16 is finally coming into fruition. I can’t wait see what cool technologies are developed as a result. Also hopefully 6G comes into being with B16

I'm looking forward to seeing what B16 does also. It has some interesting new ideas in it. But 6G won't come into being even if B16 hits design spec. I have to mine the tech out of it and put it in the skeleton script for 6G to happen, and that will take me a while.

[Shannon]

I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

I've been meditating since 3 years now. I do it at a daily basis on and off. Sometimes I go on streaks and streaks when I get disciplined enough. Well I don't know about getting more control over the subconscious mind but all I know is that when I meditate thoroughly at a daily basis I manifest all sort of stuff that have been on my mind. It happens a lot that I think about events that'll happen very soon. Like the last time it happened I was thinking of printing a picture on my shirt and a day after a friend texted me his newly printed t-shirt and asked me what I think. That happens a lot for small thoughts that pop in my mind.
Not sure about the control thing but something's odd with it. For me at least.

what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better?

Science says meditation increases neuroplasticity. So theoretically that helps ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
(Sources easy to find on google)

@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision

Then do you think it makes sense to say "Just choose to execute the script and it'll work period" since the one who can only make the decision to execute or not is subconscious mind and not the user, from his own very will ??
That was my point actually. If we agree that the subconscious can make decision regardless of the user will then there is no room for that silly reasoning.

The subconscious IS the user. Why is this so hard for you guys to get? You guys think what you call your conscious mind is "you" and the subconscious mind is some alien entity. No. You have a left arm and a right arm, and they are both ARMS, and they are both part of YOU. The whole of your awareness may have different levels of awareness and differing understandings of logic, etc. but it is all still YOU. There is no "me vs it" as you seem to be so intent on insisting on. No silly reasoning. It is all you. And when YOU choose to execute, the script will get executed. Just like when YOU choose to not pee the bed while you are asleep, you wake up, get up and go to the bathroom.

As I said:
[quote]If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.

Idk why this board always tends to go on negative extremes. Like if it wasn't dangerous and destructive enough to acknowledge the existence of "resistance", basically the fact that the subconscious WANTS TO **** with its owner, now that keeps on blaming the victim.
Talking about personal growth....

It's dangerous and destructive to acknowledge the existence of the reason why people are not achieving the goals of the program? And here I thought that we could not face and deal with the issue otherwise. Silly me.

And once again, the subconscious does not have an owner. The subconscious is not an object, or an alien, or a pet, or a snail. It is a different part of YOU. Your subconscious is as much YOU as your conscious is YOU, and maybe moreso, given how limited the "conscious mind" actually is by comparison.

Victim? Are we back to helplessness now?

[Shannon]

I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

I've been meditating since 3 years now. I do it at a daily basis on and off. Sometimes I go on streaks and streaks when I get disciplined enough. Well I don't know about getting more control over the subconscious mind but all I know is that when I meditate thoroughly at a daily basis I manifest all sort of stuff that have been on my mind. It happens a lot that I think about events that'll happen very soon. Like the last time it happened I was thinking of printing a picture on my shirt and a day after a friend texted me his newly printed t-shirt and asked me what I think. That happens a lot for small thoughts that pop in my mind.
Not sure about the control thing but something's odd with it. For me at least.

what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better?

Science says meditation increases neuroplasticity. So theoretically that helps ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
(Sources easy to find on google)

@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision

Then do you think it makes sense to say "Just choose to execute the script and it'll work period" since the one who can only make the decision to execute or not is subconscious mind and not the user, from his own very will ??
That was my point actually. If we agree that the subconscious can make decision regardless of the user will then there is no room for that silly reasoning.
As I said:

If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.

Idk why this board always tends to go on negative extremes. Like if it wasn't dangerous and destructive enough to acknowledge the existence of "resistance", basically the fact that the subconscious WANTS TO **** with its owner, now that keeps on blaming the victim.
Talking about personal growth....
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Shannon belief system is that the subconscious mind and conscious mind is the same person so when he says "execute the script" it means you both the subconscious mind and conscious mind.
From what I understand when you take responsibility of your subconscious action, whether you like those action or not consciously, if you take responsibility of those action it may change your ability to control those action of your subconscious mind.
As when you don't take responsibility it means you are in auto mode and it means letting your subconscious take responsibility for those actions.

He seems to do that so that you take control of your life consciously, that's what responsibility means there. If you are not responsible it means it's outside of your control, aka fate

I often wonder that maybe the subconscious mind knows that we are not allowed to do that because we are predestined to marry that person or do that amazing work here now or have a car accident there or be in that country next year so it means it cannot execute the script right now, and it resist due to that. This theory assume that you can't escape some events in your life ( not all events)

The subconscious knows that we are not able to do anything that would prevent us from doing what we are here to do, because circumstances outside of our control will prevent it. If you are supposed to marry person X, it will happen regardless of anything and everything else if it is hard coded. But most things in life are not hard coded like that, we have free will.

The biggest issue we have is that the subconscious, or some part of it, is afraid of X or Y or Z if it executes the script. The second biggest problem is that it is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required in some cases.

In all cases, I create the script so that it can be executed. That's part of what I use the predictive models for.

[Shannon]

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Since when has it not? You have to be pretty clueless to ask that, given how much evidence we have seen for many years just here on this forum that the subconscious has one or more parts of itself that can and do make decisions. Like the decision to execute or reverse execute or do nothing...

This is a earth-breaking theory because that's definitely not the consensus to this day. The subconscious is pretty much still seen as the component of the self that can't argue back and just express whatever is impressed inside.

This bold part actually very true according to Bob proctor who have been studying this for years and probably the best person in this matter alive today.

Just because Bob Proctor said it doesn't make it true. And FYI, I have been doing this since 1992. Just sayin'.

[Shannon]

Say, I've been at DMSI for 80+ days, and there are no tangible effects.
I can acknowledge that there is likely work going on beneath the surface.
But when do you suppose that the effects will kick on?

When you choose to execute the script.

I'm not sure I understand what that even means.

If I give you a to-do list:

1. Sweep the floors.
2. Dust the living room.
3. Clean the bathroom.
4. Mop the floors.

And you execute that list, all those things on the list will happen, because you do them.

Same thing for executing the script of a subliminal. It's a set of instructions. You choose to execute (do) them or not.

[Shannon]

I just need to come back and chime in that it feels like DMSI 3.2a is much more powerful than 3.2b. Jesus christ.

Literally had a chick I haven't even met yet call me while I was working out, telling me she was about to start (her period), and asked me if I would be okay with just doing anal or putting a towel underneath her, or I could postpone until later if I wanted.

**** nah I don't care about that shit. She's also making me dinner. Hell yeah I'm going there tomorrow night to get fed and *****.

That's what happens when you execute on one, and refuse to execute on the other.

[Shannon]

What do u do if u think ur getting resistance? Keep using the sub and hope it starts to work better? Or is there no point and just wait till next version? I feel like I'm resisting at times and executing at other times. I feel the self esteem and anxiety aspect the most but the aura is weak as **** and no noticeable external effects. I get smiles and stuff but I thoughts just cuz I'm muscular and physically attractive. Nothing our of the ordinary.

Overall tho in disappointed in the results tbh


Feel like I want to switch to exercise motivation but I an not sure if I'm running away or just being smart and making a better usage of my time and getting more benefit in terms of self development

I feel.more alpha then ever but it's not at all translating into results in anyway. I still feel neediness towards women I'm really attracted too.

So the real issue is that you are still in the process of dealing with inner crap.

If you stop listening to the program, you can't be working on overcoming what is in the way of execution. If you haven't switch to A side. Then, keep going. Let go of expectations, and understand that you are in process, and also remember that your results are the actions you were willing to take in executing the script.

[Shannon]

Can something be put in the script of DMSI in order to consciously know who are the targets our subconsciously choose to snipe?

I could put that in, yes. Not sure it's a good idea. I'll take it into consideration, though.

[Shadow2200]

So what is a good affirmation to use to help with dmsi?

[Determined]

So what is a good affirmation to use to help with dmsi?

"Subconscious mind, absorb all the suggestions from this subliminal and integrate them into the entirety of my being."

[DarkPlouf]

@Shannon : Still not a concrete answers and still many contradictions.

Reading a LOA guru saying everything that happened in your life is your own very fault makes sense because he's going with the basis that the subconscious only takes at face value what the conscious mind thinks and believes, and attract them. So here, taking full responsibility for one's own life makes perfect sense as you are the one choosing what your subconscious attract.

Now what you're saying Shannon is that the subconscious mind has a will on its own and can act regardless of the will of the conscious mind. No matter how many times you say these parts are still YOU, they have different wills. I'm saying there is a hole in that logic here because [part with will A] can't take responsibility for [part with will B]. Any given part is only responsible for its actions from its own will.

Anyway people are free to believe what they want as you like to say. If people like to see their subconscious mind as the part of them that plot against them, well feel free to do so. I was the guy about a year ago didn't like the Anti-Sniper because I was believing "shit, my subconscious mind will surely use it against me. I mean, look at all that whole 'resistance' thing".
Let's put all unwanted results on the subconscious mind resisting. Every time nothing goes at planned it's because of resistance of course.
This sounds to me like putting a curse on oneself, and moreover, a self-limiting belief.

The concept of human being a co-creator of it's own reality here doesn't match at all with the concept of resistance.

I'll go with the theory that I hold full control over my subconscious mind and it's just a matter of communicating what I want and make him understand what I choose. If an endeavor doesn't work, it isn't because the subcC is plotting against me. But likely because my desire didn't reach it.
I think that's a more productive and beneficial seed to plant into one's beliefs system than the seed that the subC is moving heaven and earth to fuck with me.

[Determined]

@Shannon : Still not a concrete answers and still many contradictions.

Reading a LOA guru saying everything that happened in your life is your own very fault makes sense because he's going with the basis that the subconscious only takes at face value what the conscious mind thinks and believes, and attract them. So here, taking full responsibility for one's own life makes perfect sense as you are the one choosing what your subconscious attract.

Now what you're saying Shannon is that the subconscious mind has a will on its own and can act regardless of the will of the conscious mind. No matter how many times you say these parts are still YOU, they have different wills. I'm saying there is a hole in that logic here because [part with will A] can't take responsibility for [part with will B]. Any given part is only responsible for its actions from its own will.

Anyway people are free to believe what they want as you like to say. If people like to see their subconscious mind as the part of them that plot against them, well feel free to do so. I was the guy about a year ago didn't like the Anti-Sniper because I was believing "shit, my subconscious mind will surely use it against me. I mean, look at all that whole 'resistance' thing".
Let's put all unwanted results on the subconscious mind resisting. Every time nothing goes at planned it's because of resistance of course.
This sounds to me like putting a curse on oneself, and moreover, a self-limiting belief.

The concept of human being a co-creator of it's own reality here doesn't match at all with the concept of resistance.

I'll go with the theory that I hold full control over my subconscious mind and it's just a matter of communicating what I want and make him understand what I choose. If an endeavor doesn't work, it isn't because the subcC is plotting against me. But likely because my desire didn't reach it.
I think that's a more productive and beneficial seed to plant into one's beliefs system than the seed that the subC is moving heaven and earth to **** with me.

If you're the king of a realm and you have subordinates, it'd make sense for you to delegate tasks to them. It'd also make sense for you to allow them to do their tasks with a certain degree of autonomy. You're not going to start breathing your lungs or monitoring your blood pressure consciously.

The sole function of the subconscious is "self preservation". Resistance exists because many men subconsciously fear women (such as with "approach anxiety") which is just a hold over from more primitive times. If you were to approach the wrong woman, it could mean the end of your life (depending upon whom she belonged/ was related to).

You've always had full control, it just seems like you have an external locus of control. People with an external locus of control are far too easy to palm of responsibility and accept that things are out of their hands.

[samba99]

@DarkPlouf

What you saying make sense but let me remind of one thing. The moment of your birth you only have subconscious mind as your conscious mind got nothing to feed on. From that moment you start building your subconscious mind as you grow older your conscious mind get more defined and more shaped. By the age of 4-7 you have solid conscious mind to proceed further hence your subconscious mind starting to close up and build on the gained foundation because it doesn’t need much to survive and build on.