Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[mat422]

Ah had a whole post written out about caffeine effects on DMSI. Realized it was my mind trying to escape dmsi again. Couldn't delete my caffeine fueled ramblings so I'm just editing it. Carry on everyone.

[Superman]

Lol I'd like to read about how caffeine affects dmsi

[mat422]

Lol I'd like to read about how caffeine affects dmsi

Haha. I'll post all the details in my journal.

[DarkPlouf]

You have a different definition of psychic seduction than I am going on. But you are still incorrect when you say it can't bend someone's will. It is just a matter of degrees of skill and energy used. Be sure you never take away someone's freedom of choice. The backlash and fallout from that is bad.

Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

In my experience there's no such thing as "total conscious control" when attempting stuff of this ilk.

Still, their conscious decision seem to be the ultimate barrier. After all many have drunk dialed and did/say whatever they have been influenced to do. Then when sober they take back everything . Isn't that a proof in their sober waking state they consciously decide to reject and bury these ideas ?
Oh well personally I'd have to witness it to believe it's possible to change someone else will remotely.

[Have at ye]

You have a different definition of psychic seduction than I am going on. But you are still incorrect when you say it can't bend someone's will. It is just a matter of degrees of skill and energy used. Be sure you never take away someone's freedom of choice. The backlash and fallout from that is bad.

Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

In my experience there's no such thing as "total conscious control" when attempting stuff of this ilk.

Still, their conscious decision seem to be the ultimate barrier. After all many have drunk dialed and did/say whatever they have been influenced to do. Then when sober they take back everything . Isn't that a proof in their sober waking state they consciously decide to reject and bury these ideas ?
Oh well personally I'd have to witness it to believe it's possible to change someone else will remotely.

Well, I'm *SO* not going to give any guidelines or advice on how this can be done.

Anyroad, I believe that trying to install an unconscious compulsion to perform a particular action in someone is an attempt at so-called "mind control", and I'd generally label it under the "really, REALLY bad ideas" heading. Also, it's a d**k move.

I also don't think "karma" is a lie per se, it's just that the concept is widely misrepresented (sometimes, perhaps, on purpose, though, as the saying goes, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" ) and/or misunderstood, as the actual workings of it do seem to be rather... complex. I really cannot claim to understand the exact workings of it, for instance, but it would seem that yes, a mechanism often called "the law of karma" is in effect.

[DarkPlouf]

Well, I'm *SO* not going to give any guidelines or advice on how this can be done. Big Grin

Yeah of course that's so damn dangerous lol. Best to keep that for yourself.

Anyroad, I believe that trying to install an unconscious compulsion to perform a particular action in someone is an attempt at so-called "mind control", and I'd generally label it under the "really, REALLY bad ideas" heading. Also, it's a d**k move. Wink

Well when I tried it I was desperate and that's how I got introduced to it. Nearly worked but I was too much of a pussy. I'm not doing that anymore on unwilling persons. I'd rather change myself, I think it's better. But in comparison it's so hard. I mean, with psychic stuff in 2 weeks you can see changes in the monitored targets at least you know something happens (even if you'll likely never got 100% achievement) but when it comes down to yourself all you see is "resistance" it seems. And even after years of h/c and fighting you still find yourself at the same place. Not surprised some get desperate and want to manipulate others instead. Seems to be far easier if you know how to do it properly.

I also don't think "karma" is a lie per se, it's just that the concept is widely misrepresented (sometimes, perhaps, on purpose, though, as the saying goes, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Wink ) and/or misunderstood, as the actual workings of it do seem to be rather... complex. I really cannot claim to understand the exact workings of it, for instance, but it would seem that yes, a mechanism often called "the law of karma" is in effect.

Well personally I believe as a human being with a conscious mind - so with the power of decision you can go all out and do whatever the ** you want. But just we shall be prepared to face the logical consequences.

[Broski]

@Shannon, would you recommend doing psychic seduction meditation on a specific person while on DMSI?

No. In fact I would recommend never doing that, ever.

Can you please elaborate on why we should not do that? And what way it may conflict with obtaining the goals of DMSI?

Manipulating someone into having sex with you isn't a good idea. So far we have managed to avoid that with DMSI. I am really, REALLY not interested in making DMSI work by manipulating the affected. We are attempting to influence by persuasion, not manipulation. We want them to make the desired choice, but not take away their freedom to have a choice to make.

It also conflicts with what DMSI is trying to do by attempting to redirect energy and attention from what DMSI may be doing in a different direction, or trying to make what happens happen in a way that is not safe.

Not sure exactly what physic seduction entails, but is it akin to visualizing someone you want to have sex with having sex with you to get it to manifest in reality? If so, do you also recommend against any sort of visualization when it comes to success with woman while on dmsi? Like not specific girls per se, but just visualizing random attractive woman in general coming onto you?

[Determined]

Hey Shannon, is it possible for an introvert to turn into an extrovert?

[Have at ye]

@Shannon, would you recommend doing psychic seduction meditation on a specific person while on DMSI?

No. In fact I would recommend never doing that, ever.

Can you please elaborate on why we should not do that? And what way it may conflict with obtaining the goals of DMSI?

Manipulating someone into having sex with you isn't a good idea. So far we have managed to avoid that with DMSI. I am really, REALLY not interested in making DMSI work by manipulating the affected. We are attempting to influence by persuasion, not manipulation. We want them to make the desired choice, but not take away their freedom to have a choice to make.

It also conflicts with what DMSI is trying to do by attempting to redirect energy and attention from what DMSI may be doing in a different direction, or trying to make what happens happen in a way that is not safe.

Not sure exactly what physic seduction entails, but is it akin to visualizing someone you want to have sex with having sex with you to get it to manifest in reality? If so, do you also recommend against any sort of visualization when it comes to success with woman while on dmsi? Like not specific girls per se, but just visualizing random attractive woman in general coming onto you?

Well, in general, "psychic seduction" is a label used to describe various thought-actions (no idea what else to call it) whose purpose is seducing another person and/or having sex with a person. So, when people talk about "psychic seduction", they often lump in visualization under the heading. Although, as you have said, it is more of a manifestation tool. I'd say visualization is a pretty safe tool, [EDIT: especially if used without a particular person in mind], compared to the following:

"Psychic seduction" also involves other things, like f. in. directed sexual energy manipulation, sending so-called "thought-forms" to another person, etc., whose aim is to influence the subconscious of the "seduced" individual into entering a romantic or sexual relationship with the sender. It involves pretty much all sorts of remote influence shenanigans whose aim is to influence a person to become "seduced" by the operator, and by "seduced" it means "do what the operator wants you to do". This stuff can be downright dangerous.

[Oversoul]

Shannon, do you think that Optimus Engine can be made so strong that there can ever be a sub made that will get us results for literally anything that we write down and focus on a few times a day? So in essence, a sub that amplifies our focus on our goal subconsciously and gets rid of obstacles/ creates aura without the sub necessarily being focused on one specific thing?

[Shannon]

Lol it's not like psychic influence can bend someone's will. It only works when the target has the potential to make the decision and just need a little push. All what psychic seduction does to unwilling targets is making them go release with the person they actually want to have sex with.

I would say you're not very well educated on the subject.

Maybe, can't pretend to know everything about it, but I've a solid experience with psychic influence. From myself but also from a group of fellow interested in this subject. Pshysic influence can't force someone to do what that person doesn't want. May be for sex or for whatever else. If that person is against or is afraid of the idea, no action will be taken, no matter how much or how frequently the thoughts and idea are transmitted and well received. The target just bear with these incessant ideas that pop in his/her mind but take no action. In the end, the target has still to carry out an action from his own volition.

In the case of psychic seduction that's actually a pretty bad idea as that practice keeps making horny the target, in most case, and they go release with the person they are allowed to, or with the first outlet they can get. If that person likes you and already registered you as "the guy I can safely have sex with" then it'll work and you'll be the first choice. But as such, if that person like you from the start or has the potential to, there's no need for psychic seduction. Meaning psychic seduction doesn't burn steps and you still need to do the work . They "suffer" in silence but absolutely do nothing about it if they do not want to.
And even when there are instances of psychic seduction working against someone's will, it only acts as a temporary drug. Once the target wakes up, that person will utterly deny what he/she did under such circumstances. We are witnessing targets going hot and cold and hot and cold incessantly. Taking back things they said or did outrageously during such influenced state. Because that doesn't match their decisions.

Psychic influence is good for mundane things. Making a friend invite you for a pizza, making them say something, influence your birthday gifts, and do some other funny stuff. Because most people are "neutral", or even favorable to these mundane ideas. But if they truly don't wan't, not only psychic influence will make them hate you but will likely fail, unless anything good and logical came up to change their view. But in such case again, no need for psychic influence.

So no, that can't bend someone else will. And I'm not just saying that from my thorough experience, materials, observations and experiments from other practitioners, but because it actually makes sense when we think about it. No matter what that happens in the mind realm of the target, if the conscious mind isn't aligned with it, no physical manifestation (action) will be made of it.
Don't wish anyone to get trapped into that stuff thinking they can control others like I was. Even tho I still practice it but it's only with willing partners.

You have a different definition of psychic seduction than I am going on. But you are still incorrect when you say it can't bend someone's will. It is just a matter of degrees of skill and energy used. Be sure you never take away someone's freedom of choice. The backlash and fallout from that is bad.

Yup, it is possible to bend someone's will, even inadvertently, when doing "psychic seduction" stuff. Unless proper precautions are taken, of course, but precautions do tend to significantly weaken the effects when doing remote influencing, I guess. Also, they can fail. In my experience there's no such thing as "total conscious control" when attempting stuff of this ilk. You set something off in this way, it tends to go wherever inertia takes it once it gets rolling.

Then again, the entire point of DMSI's aura is having this stuff become automated, and actually your second nature, in the best way possible, so I highly doubt that the use of psychic seduction techniques would make it any stronger.

I was considering, though, coming up with an affirmation of a sort, which would go something like "I now choose to willingly consciously and subconsciously execute the full extent of the DMSI 3.2(a/b) sniper module on <person's name>", to maybe give it some more focus, or to engage the full power of the sniper even when a given person is outside of the short-range sniper's range of effect. I'm not certain what wording to use exactly (as the one presented here I just came up with on the spot), and would consider maybe adding a time-limiter for the sniping process so as not to became exhausted, but perhaps there might be something to it. Any thoughts, Shannon, sir?

The conscious will is a powerful tool for guiding the conscious and subconscious, given that the subconscious will is not stronger. But right now, I am just too tired mentally to be able to answer this better than that.

[Shannon]

Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

I go on evidence to form my beliefs. And I can tell you, doing whatever you want will bite you in the end if it unbalances the equation. Whether it's now or later. I have been bitten by my misunderstanding of that fact many times, and I have used my understanding of that fact to win many times as well.

If you want to call it karma or simply the universe maintaining balance, it is there. And if you want to test it, I'm sure that eventually you will learn what I know from painful experience. Belief is not required, which is a good thing.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, is it possible for an introvert to turn into an extrovert?

I believe it is, but I am not exactly an expert on that matter either.

[Shannon]

Shannon, do you think that Optimus Engine can be made so strong that there can ever be a sub made that will get us results for literally anything that we write down and focus on a few times a day? So in essence, a sub that amplifies our focus on our goal subconsciously and gets rid of obstacles/ creates aura without the sub necessarily being focused on one specific thing?

The optimus engine is what causes the subconscious to achieve the goal according to a polymorphic reaction to the challenges in the way. The subconscious will always use the easiest method possible to achieve the goal when given this sort of optional way forward. It would seem unlikely to me that the OE by itself is really what you're asking about, or that an aura would be the first or most likely way the subconscious would respond based purely on the OE. But it is possible that such a sub may eventually exist.