OGSF2 (Second Run)

[Frosted]

I start my first loop immediately after posting this. I’m pretty sure I’ve noticed the TID up until now. It’s interesting to notice the overlap between E6 bloom and OGSF2 TID. Both programs feel similar to a degree but have their own feel. OGSF2 has a more living on the edge of life feel to it. Like an existential sieze the day kind of energy. Like the end of winter and the start of spring.

Today I noticed I was more authentic in public. Without going into to much detail, essentially I felt the shame/fear in my body and relaxed into it rather than let myself get swept up in essentially watering myself down to avoid judgement. It’s a survival instinct that comes from past trauma, wanting to avoid being too authentic to not be a tall piece of grass that gets cut. The challenge comes in calmly relaxing and not being swept up in reacting one way or the other.

I’m looking forward to the next 6 months. I currently feel like I’ve made a ton of progress in the past year on E6 and OGSF2 and can’t wait to see where this second run of OGSF2 takes me.

[Frosted]

There’s emotional pettiness leftover from stuff I was working on with E6. I believe it’s stuff that was already there, but was suppressed. Now it seems like I’ve devolved, but it’s just another step in the process.

OGSF2 feels like it’s releasing mental bear traps and the real me is emerging. I notice a more proactive observing energy emerging. Ultimately what is left once guilt shame and fear are removed. The answer is you. You are all thats left. It makes sense that OGSF2 seems to make me more interested in consciousness and the nature of experience itself.

I’m noticing more and more the answers seem to becoming more clear to me. It really is as Shannon has advised for so long. Heal and overcome guilt, shame and fear.

[Frosted]

The obstacle is the way. The problem contains the solution. Guilt shame and fear are transformed from obstacles to tools to reshape yourself. Using OGSF2 for me is like climbing a difficult rock wall while being buffeted by strong winds. You change as you endure the journey and reshape yourself into someone capable of finishing the climb.

It’s a gentle path of self love, but also a harsh one where you face your own flaws without distortion. I have many issues. I don’t put myself down for them, instead I use them as tools to transform myself.

[Frosted]

Been feeling a lot of guilt shame and fear lately. Apprehensive about various things, guilty about various things, feeling shameful and like I want to crawl in a hole. The funny things is that my mind tries to find out why I feel these things, but it can’t quite put it’s finger on it.

I did some stuff I was putting off today, had a great meal, curled up in a blanket and watched a streamer play a horror game. Overall a cozy evening. I feel a lot better right now. It’s funny how when I’m feeling the bad stuff it feels like I’ve made no progress, but then when I feel the relief I can notice new facets in the progress I’m making. For example a deeper sense of calm, or a fuzzy warmth, or feeling slightly less disconnected from my senses. The pain is like the wood shavings, when they’re blown away it’s easier to see the engravings on the wood (results).

[Frosted]

I think I’ve got a more accurate estimation of my level of consciousness. What was throwing me off was the nondual experiences that made me think I was higher than I was. I’m pretty sure I’m at the least solidly at level 8 (or turquoise as it is called in spiral dynamics). But I think my peak is in 9 going into 10 (the model I’m talking about is Ken Wilber’s “Integral Theory”).

A good analogy for the place I’m at is this: There’s a comic book. Level 10 is the book the story exists upon, the “being” of the story itself. The main character is aware he’s a character in a book, and he tries to step outside the book. The problem is that you can’t escape the book from the perspective of the character. You have to realize that you are not the character, you are the pages the character exists upon. But you can’t just know this, you have to be embody it in real time by resting in pure awareness.

So I’m aware that I’m not the thoughts and I’m trying to become aware as the underlying awareness, but it’s hard to rest in that awareness and not get swept up in various traps. The infuriating thing is that I’m aware of the traps as they happen, but it’s not enough to know what’s happening, you have to “wake up”. I do think I experience level 10, but only at my best, and not that high in it. I can feel some level of mitigation of negative experiences, but it’s not like I’ve seen level 10 described, where you have a large degree of freedom from suffering.

The weird thing is that I don’t feel like I live in level 10 that much, and sometimes it feels like I’m about to enter into level 11 (nonduality), but perhaps that is something going on with the subs or I’m mistaken about something. Or I just don’t fully understand how I’m changing.

Edit: something I’d like to add is that my inner monologue is almost completely gone. There’s still layers of concepts and a faint inner voice that comes and goes, but I don’t fully identify with. The subs have significantly reduced the mental chatter in my brain. Turns out trauma is the source of a lot of cancerous thought.



ION, things are going alright with OGSF2. I’m noticing solid progress. There’s some flair ups of negativity, but I’m getting through it. I’m kinda noticing how much I was fucked up. I still have so far to go. I wonder if I only really got started once I began using 5.11G and everything up until then was a warmup. The good thing is that I’m committed and I’m at the point where I know I can get through the inner work, I just gotta put in the time. I can see why I wouldn’t get results I would want with subs. A lot of the blockages were invisible to me, but now I see a lot more.

I’m becoming more and more aware of the kind of man I want to become. I’m also becoming increasingly aware of an aspect of masculinity that was more invisible to me earlier in my journey. That benevolent expansive giving energy. It’s not weak like I might’ve thought early in my journey. On the contrary it’s coming from a place of strength.


I usually finish what I start, but I’ll probably make an exception and swap to AM7 when it comes out. I didn’t expect 6G to literally come out like 2 weeks after I started lol. For now I’ll keep going and get some more progress under my belt. I should get at least a month or two before AM7 comes out. Unless I’m wrong again lol.

[callie]

Since you've run both OGSFv2 and E6, what would you say is the biggest difference between the two?

[Frosted]

They definitely feel distinct. E6 I feel more emotional and sensitive. OGSF2 seems to have me focus more on consciousness. They both seem to focus on comfort, but E6 more so. On OGSF2 I seem to care about my diet more, on E6 whatever felt best was what I did. OGSF2 seems to be about maximizing life, to some degree. Truly living limitless, because life is short and we’re all gonna die. Not necessarily going balls to the walls, but being the person you want to be and not compromising on that. E6 is more about becoming emotionally healthy and living without regrets, and not compromising on happiness and emotional wellbeing.

E6 focuses on fixing you emotionally like a detailed surgeon removing blockages and then healing the damage. It felt like the base of my existence was changing, the very fabric of my being. On OGSF2 it feels like you’re a bear that stepped in a bear trap, it removes the bear trap and then heals your leg so you can walk again. It’s also kind of like you’re a caveman in a frozen icicle and you’re being melted out of it, then nursed back to health from anything the icicle did. Edit: actually it doesn’t just nurse you back to health, it makes you stronger than before. It’s like a boost to your structural integrity, your vitality.

[Frosted]

Since you've run both OGSFv2 and E6, what would you say is the biggest difference between the two?

Just noticed I didn’t technically answer your question. This may not be exactly what’s going on, only Shannon knows. But from my experience and understanding this is what I think.

The biggest difference: E6 is about healing your emotional body, the thing you use to feel and interface with the world. OGSF2 removes the things in the way of “being” yourself. It removes the things that cause your “self” to contract and expands and strengthens your “light”. Both have some similarities and overlap.

An interesting analogy that comes to mind is E6 as the moon and OGSF2 as the sun.

[callie]

Thank you for the explanation. I take it OGSF then is more about addressing the fear surrounding unprocessed emotional issues and what’s keeping them stuck, whereas E6 focuses more on directly processing the emotions themselves. Would that be correct?

[Frosted]

Thank you for the explanation. I take it OGSF then is more about addressing the fear surrounding unprocessed emotional issues and what’s keeping them stuck, whereas E6 focuses more on directly processing the emotions themselves. Would that be correct?

It’s that both are a different type of growth. E6 deals with a broad spectrum and includes some of OGSF2, but not nearly at the same level of power and complexity. It can clear guilt shame and fear, but only does so as much as is needed to achieve its goals. Its priority is getting your emotional body from point A to point B.

OGSF2 is about removing the chains holding you back and stepping into your power. Think of it like a king removing his bindings, thwarting his kidnappers, and sitting down on his thrown. There’s also another aspect. As you overcome guilt shame and fear, you’re not just getting the benefit of them being removed. On their way out you’re also using them as fuel for growth. You’re taking the lessons from them and integrating them. Essentially you’re turning an obstacle into a blessing. It’s an exponential thing and it’s beautiful.

They do synergize like you’re suggesting, but it’s not accurate to view OGSF2 as simply a tool to allow healing. Yes it is great for that, but it is great in its own right too. Neither of them simply remove or overcome bad things, they both grow you in different ways as well.

[ReconGunner]

This reminds me of Shannon's recent suggestion of the following sequence: EHPRA -> OGSF -> SD. Each can build on the one(s) before.

[callie]

Alright, its still a bit fuzzy to me. Not because your explanation wasnt great, it was - but I just dont fully understand when to use one over the other. Thats probably because I dont entirely know what I need myself

I think what would benefit me the most at this point isnt necessarily emotional healing per se, but rather instilling a deep sense of safety at the most fundamental level. Based on your explanation, OGSF seems like the better fit, would you agree?