NG: The Solution to your Women Issues

[mat422]

Ok I'm gonna join in the discussion here because NG isn't all bad. It's a tool and it's all about how you use it. That being said, I really disliked how these women are portrayed as authentic or "natural" in the instructions without knowing anything about them. The surface level on the video, yeah they were portraying cute feminine behavior. But it's manufactured, no different than how sex sells in the West. That's what always bugged me, you were told to meditate on these idealistic representations of these women.

That being said, I still see value in it if you can't visualize. It's like getting wrapped up in a movie and losing awareness, your mind gets convinced what it's seeing is real and you respond to it emotionally.

But ideally no guy would need NG if he has enough growth. The ultimate level of success would be someone who can cultivate that level of self love and validation without any external source. If someone engages in NG then there is still an inherent need for something outside of themselves which points towards something that can be worked on. I can see NG being used to get the ball rolling and feed that need, but after a while I feel like it's necessary to cut it off and understand where it really comes from.

[Geodude]

Ok I'm gonna join in the discussion here because NG isn't all bad. It's a tool and it's all about how you use it. That being said, I really disliked how these women are portrayed as authentic or "natural" in the instructions without knowing anything about them. The surface level on the video, yeah they were portraying cute feminine behavior. But it's manufactured, no different than how sex sells in the West. That's what always bugged me, you were told to meditate on these idealistic representations of these women.

That being said, I still see value in it if you can't visualize. It's like getting wrapped up in a movie and losing awareness, your mind gets convinced what it's seeing is real and you respond to it emotionally.

But ideally no guy would need NG if he has enough growth. The ultimate level of success would be someone who can cultivate that level of self love and validation without any external source. If someone engages in NG then there is still an inherent need for something outside of themselves which points towards something that can be worked on. I can see NG being used to get the ball rolling and feed that need, but after a while I feel like it's necessary to cut it off and understand where it really comes from.

Yep. You get it.

The most successful guys who have used NG went from lacking women to being totally fulfilled with women (Even though they were basing their fulfillment off of videos). Unsurprisingly, this attracted the real thing into their lives.

I see it over and over. I'll be at the bar and I'll see guys force themselves to approach and oftentimes get nowhere. All those guys need to do is either visualize having women or do NG to get rid of all the creepiness and neediness.

The only time that doesn't work is if they have a ton of limiting beliefs, in which case they can just use NG which will break down those barriers. Or tapping. I use both.

[CatMan]

I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.

[Vincent_Vega]

Better just use NG 2.0. Some may call it porn, but if you watch naked women having sex all day it gives you a feeling of abundance. There are some videos about it on youtube.

Lol wtf are you talking about

You're actually watching another guy banging a chick you want, so technically you're being cuckolded.

This morning out of the blue, it came to my mind that the cuckold-fetish may result from porn-addiction. If you like watching another guy bang the chick you admire online, why not in real life?
I know this has nothing to do with NG, but I thought that's a good opportunity to share this thought.

[Vincent_Vega]

@ Geo: NG is for simulating abundance. Will it also work for success/wealth? Like watching videos of expensive cars/houses/holidays?

[JackOfHearts]

Better just use NG 2.0. Some may call it porn, but if you watch naked women having sex all day it gives you a feeling of abundance. There are some videos about it on youtube.

Lol wtf are you talking about

You're actually watching another guy banging a chick you want, so technically you're being cuckolded.

This morning out of the blue, it came to my mind that the cuckold-fetish may result from porn-addiction. If you like watching another guy bang the chick you admire online, why not in real life?
I know this has nothing to do with NG, but I thought that's a good opportunity to share this thought.

In what NG is different Geo, its not you in the NG video either. And there is also porn video with girls only or with the first person view (you dont see the guy face like in NG)

I would say you dont really know the long term effects of NG or porn, how your mind interpret that stuff unless you are a professional of the mind like Shannon.
Though to me NG seems to be more powerfull , it has a similar effect to hypnosis to me.

[Darkness]

I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.

Catman I think you should have continued DMSI instead of stopping, because it's geared exactly to your traumas , NG is not.
Hungry desperate thirsty < it seems like some shame, that sexual intensity is what you want it's how lust feels.
What's your end result look like when your healed and cleared of your traumas?

[CatMan]

Catman I think you should have continued DMSI instead of stopping, because it's geared exactly to your traumas , NG is not.
Hungry desperate thirsty < it seems like some shame, that sexual intensity is what you want it's how lust feels.
What's your end result look like when your healed and cleared of your traumas?

I had a good experience doing a rest with V2.5 that seemed to solidify effects I gained from it, so that is why I chose to do it again. Some may find going without rest will work for them, but maybe for me and others it's the opposite. It was that experience that lead me to choose this route.

Rest assured, I'll be back on task when V3.1 debuts.

[JackOfHearts]

I think he meant that using NG means "no resting" period as you are using that mind programming tools. Which is also what I tried to say but you seems to ignore it.

[CatMan]

I think he meant that using NG means "no resting" period as you are using that mind programming tools. Which is also what I tried to say but you seems to ignore it.

That info you posted was massively old. That's why I "ignored" it. And because I wasn't interested in big debates/arguments. And I assumed you posted it for the people who posted before me, seemingly going and trying it *while running programs*, so I didn't reply to it.

I highly doubt watching a music video is going to blow out any 5.5G effects. Let's relax a bit. In fact it's greatly strengthened them I've found, and quick, surprisingly.

I'm amazed it's such a controversy. I'm also amazed that if guys don't like something, they still keep coming back to the thread to post contrary stuff over and over and over and over for some reason, instead of just not reading it. Weird.

With all this bellyaching, I might as well just forget it. At least I've learned what NG is about and the mechanism behind it to try to advance DMSI. That was my purpose, I have some solid notes now on how to achieve this and have actually experienced a difference in interactions so I know it's an actual effect and not nonsense.

So, everybody can breathe now. It'll be okay.

[JackOfHearts]

I never said NG does nothing, and it's exactly why it does something obvious that I'm warning you but feel free to ignore it. I myself did hypnosis after using subs, nothing wrong with that, I wanted to see if the other side is greener.
I wanted to ignore the thread and it's what I did at first, then I got curious. Then I see some hype with some inaccurate stuff so I wanted to correct them.

I highly doubt watching a music video is going to blow out any 5.5G effects. Let's relax a bit. In fact it's greatly strengthened them I've found, and quick, surprisingly.

When I was running AM5 Shannon told to not use NG with AM5 as it would disrupt the programming as there were conflicting according to him.
Maybe it's different with 5.5G or DMSI

Your way of thinking seems contradictory though, on one point you think watching a music video (NG) wouldn't blow out any 5.5G effect and at the same time you think Porn is something that profoundly affect you. It so profoundly affect you that you have to wait 9 month.

I personally think NG is more powerful than porn as it contains direct suggestion similar to NLP (at least some video does). The guy creating those video probably have a background with hypnosis/NLP or something similar under another name.

With all that said DMSI is so powerful that it's probably going to overwhelm the NG stuff overtime.
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The doubt I have with NG is that there is no expert behind it (doesn't seem to be any), so the programming can potentially be .... poorly scripted which can include side effect that you may not want.

[CatMan]

I had porn cause REAL effects to me...that was long term use over years and years. Tons of others have echoed the exact same effects happening to THEM over years and years. Doctors now have clear proof in MRIs it causes addiction and has serious effects to the brain over time. Zero debate on the issue anymore. The website posted often as an authority on it created by doctors that you "ignored" before, yourbrainonporn.com, there it is again for education.

There is zero contradiction in my words. You're comparing apples to oranges.

I tried this, felt real effects. That's better than any "expert" to me. I don't sit on the sidelines and theorise and mentally masturbate and debate and argue, I try and evaluate myself then make a judgement. And now I have some good notes to help improve DMSI for all, I don't see the ongoing problem here.

[Bliss]

I did NG for about 2 months straight last year. I didn't get the results I had hoped for. Looking back, I was trying way too hard to get emotional about it and I had difficulty opening up to it.

Its much easier to get emotional when watching it now, and every time I do it, the immediate and most obvious effect is a feeling of happiness and joy. I feel I haven't given NG a real chance yet, so I'm going to do it consistently again.

[Have at ye]

I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.

Hey, remember when you had that dream about Taylor Swift?

Turns out she does actually figure in all this.

I did try some NG stuff lately, too, and I must say there is definitely something to it (much more than *simulating abundance*, whatever that would entail, lol). I do believe that it should not interfere with subliminal programming, as it is not a form of subliminal programming - about as much as watching a movie, I guess. So unless you're actually putting yourself in an altered state of awareness while doing it, it shouldn't derail subconscious programming (too much ), I think. Shannon would know more, if he's willing to share his expertise in this particular regard.

There are some NG-related videos that do use some sort of subliminal messaging, but these I avoid; I find myself sticking to normal music videos, basically. Push comes to shove, the worst thing that could happen is that I'll find myself rocking to some Blondie (as I am doing just now ).

One thing I'd like to mention - I seriously doubt I would be getting much out of NG if I was not cleared/healed extensively through using DMSI-A.