dmsi 2.2. vs 2.3

[Dzemoo]

for the guys that used the 2.2 version

how does the new dmsi feel to you compared to 2.2

is there a difference no that the healing modules are removed ?

[bits]

I didn't feel anything with 2.2 but 2.3 has me feeling very confident and even a little arrogant almost like a super-ASC. I wear pheromones on a daily basis due to work (I have to interact with older/richer/high status people so I use either a314 or titan) so it's hard to determine where iois are coming from but what is different is now I get IOIs and looks from women at long distances and in cars. Pheromones are limited in their reach to about 5-10 feet so anything beyond that is clearly due to DMSI.

In terms of sex, hard to say since I already have a girlfriend. We do have threesomes with other women but she is the one who goes and finds them, she is very insecure about me looking for girls because she's afraid I'll leave her so I agreed not to actively hit on women. We had a friend of hers over last night who says she is "mostly lesbian" but sometimes needs dick, she was all over me more than usual and gave me a very eager bj compared to the past when it was lazy so I take that as a good sign.

In terms of healing modules I agree with what you said in other posts that they get in the way of the program for some people, the problem is everyone is different and handles issues differently. In my own case I think fear, anger, and aggression are all good things, as long as there is a balance and a PURPOSE AND USE for that fear, anger and aggression.

There was a time a few years ago when I went from having great success with women and business went to 0 and I couldn't find out why and I wasn't even angry or upset about it I just kept wondering why it went to 0 and why it didn't bother me 1 bit. It wasn't until an ex-girlfriend came along and we dated for a while. She asked what was wrong with me I've become too passive and easy going and she broke up with me because I made her feel like a lesbian.

It wasn't until I put 2 and 2 together over what had changed for me which was "the power of now" and "sedona method" had made me too accepting, too passive, and too zen. I just accepted everything as is and would let go of any need for money or women with the ORIGINAL goal of hoping that it would bring me MORE money and MORE women but when it didn't I just didn't care.

I wasn't angry or upset about it I would just always wonder what happened to my goals of sleeping with more women and making 3 times more money but only think about it for 10 seconds and then move on and be happy about it.

I'm thankful for that ex girlfriend coming back to me because she made me open my eyes, yes I was "happy" and "care free" but I was doing 0 in life. The phrase "still waters run deep" comes to mind. I wasn't going anywhere, doing anything, and achieving nothing even though I was a "deep thinker", "living in the present", "accepting of what is", and "emotionally strong".

It really meant nothing. If it wasn't for her I probably would have died happy and zen, but also would have achieved nothing in life. If my income at the time wasn't 100% passive I probably would have ended up in a very crappy living situation and have been perfectly happy because inside I was "at peace with whatever is" which now terrifies me.

BTW I know Sedona and Power of now aren't about being passive but that's what it did to me, some use those methods and achieve better results, some do them and achieve no or worse results. I am part of that 2nd group so I'm not talking down on those methods, they just dont' work for my personality type.

Thankfully her breaking up with me and being honest that I made her feel like a lesbian (she basically called me a weak, passive, sensitive beta male who is more woman than she is) made me hurt, angry, and made me realize that I shouldn't accept things as they are and there is always room for improvement. I threw away sedona, threw away the power of now, and started to think and plan for the future and dwell on my past mistakes.

It made me scared, fearful, and angry but also gave me the rocket fuel to double my income, sleep with 10 new women in a year and now meet my current girlfriend who aside from her insecurity is absolutely amazing and loyal. I had to compete and deal with 2 other guys who wanted to be with her that night and no way would I have done that in the past with sedona/power of now/being zen. When I asked her why she went with me vs those 2 other guys she said she could tell I wanted her more than the other guys and was more full of life.

I think that's true, when I was care free and zen, I looked dead behind the eyes. Like I just didn't care about life and my energy/vibe was too passive and beta. My best results with women, money, and life in general have always come when I had a little bit of anger/sadness/fear in me, not directed at women/money/friends, but just having it in my life. I think anger/fear/aggression is part of what makes a man masculine and why women crave the company of men.

masculine emotional healing = fear/anger/aggression toward the issue

feminine emotional healing = passive/accepting toward the issue

You need a balance of both, but for men it's better to be 80% masculine and 20% feminine I think instead of 80% feminine and 20% masculine as things like power of now, sedona, and what it looks like the healing modules do.

I view healing modules like training wheels vs. a motorcycle. They will let you do the program safely and without scaring you or causing you lots of anger/fear/resistance but you will never be able to go 150mph on the highway with training wheels.

We all know the old sayings, there is no success without failure, no gain without pain, no muscles without soreness, no love without neglect, no reward without risk, no bravery without fear, etc and some people roll their eyes and think these cliches are stupid but I think they're true.

In order to have great and amazing highs you must also have really terrible and shitty lows. If you have a life of 100% highs with 0% lows then you didn't have a life at all, somebody else handed you those highs and you're living their life not your own.

Of course too much pain, too much anger, too much shame is a bad thing but so is too little. Reading old am5 logs it's clear those guys got better results but the guys on am6 had a smoother ride. The problem is some guys have to do am6 2 or 3 times in order to be satisfied while most am5 guys got results their first time.

I think these guys are like me, they need to feel anger and pain in order to grow. Not everyone needs that, but some do.

I think the problem has with healing modules is that Shannon's subs have too much power, maybe keeping healing modules in 4g but keeping the goals of the program in 5g/5.5g/6g will have the right balance.

I also think splitting the program into 2 formats will help

healing edition and goals/results edition

Not exactly "stages" because stages means you have to run part 1 before you run part 2. But if you have x edition and y edition you can choose which you want to run based on your personality and results.

If you want to heal issues then you can run the healing edition

If the healing edition is getting in the way, you're done healing, or you just need results ASAP for a special occasion then run the goals/results edition

It will be a higher price but I think worth it for most people. Right now I think there is only 10% - 20% of the population that ABSOLUTELY NEED the healing modules and can't get through a subliminal without them.

For the rest of us we will experience some anger and frustration but eventually get over it and enjoy the results. It may not be easy at first but I think the end results will be stronger and worth the struggle.

[Acmeisto]

Are these "pheromones" working or is it just a marketing scheme to suck your wallet empty?

[Dzemoo]

yeah i feel the confidence and arrogance too form it alone for this the program is worth running it its even stronger than am6 in this aspect

i am glad that more and more poeple are realising what i already said over a year ago about the zen state and being contraproductive in seduction

because women are dumb and if you are too zen they think you are a pussy

ps well explained bits i wonder how strong am6 or the magnets would be without the healing ps2 your story is very inspiring

[bits]

Are these "pheromones" working or is it just a marketing scheme to suck your wallet empty?

Most pheromones you see actively marketed on porn sites or in your email are 100% scam and probably don't have any or very little pheromones in them.

Good pheromone companies: pheromonexs, apex pheromones, liquid alchemy labs, and SOMETIMES androticsdirect

androtics direct has fumbled repeatedly on a314, thankfully I have 15 bottles (8-10 years worth) of the old a314 so I am set until they get their act together or a competitor finishes their process of reverse engineering and duplicating it. Their other products are good but I can't reccomend anyone buy the current batch of a314 because of the instability.

In terms of results will women you don't know aggressively chase you for sex? Maybe 2 or 3 times per year but they will usually be fat/ugly women who are very desperate for sex but somehow still think they are 10s and can get any man they want so not worth it. What you will get is more interest, lower "bitch shields", less shit tests (some women will give you even more shit tests), and an easier time closing but you will need to be the one that makes it happen as usual.

My favorite blends:

apex pheromones

titan = status + social + sex appeal it's the best all around IMO
core = social + light status + light sexual it's great if you're in high school/college or mostly date in social circles
imprint = women will be in love and constantly thinking about you, bad for 1 night stands, good for ltrs and mini ltrs

pheromonexs

ascend = like titan, but maybe a little more sexual. It smells bad though, titan smells very good in any scent they sell
barely legal = highest status blend IMO but too high for professional use

androtics

instant shine = instant feel good not just for you but everyone else
instant gentleman = a slightly more sexual version of core

[bits]

yeah i feel the confidence and arrogance too form it alone for this the program is worth running it its even stronger than am6 in this aspect

i am glad that more and more poeple are realising what i already said over a year ago about the zen state and being contraproductive in seduction

because women are dumb and if you are too zen they think you are a pussy

ps well explained bits i wonder how strong am6 or the magnets would be without the healing ps2 your story is very inspiring

Yes being zen is great if you want to feel good but terrible for just about everything else, especially women unless the woman herself is zen also.

I don't think it makes them dumb, it makes sense if you think about it. Men who are zen don't chase women (so you already lost because women will never chase you) and they don't chase money/power/resources.

From a primal and evolutionary point it's perfectly reasonable for women to run away from men who are zen. Only women who are zen themselves man can see it is as positive and alpha trait but these women are rare.

All other women will laugh at you and call you weak like my ex did.

But even when you go to sedona method and power of now retreats and you see the women that drag along their husbands/boyfriends and these guys are either normal or slightly alpha, not zen at all. They hate it and think it's stupid but the women are still attracted to them even though they themselves are "zen".

The only women with zen boyfriends/husbands are either ugly or very domineering and controlling of them so probably not what most guys would want.

[AbundanceCH]

The only women with zen boyfriends/husbands are either ugly or very domineering and controlling of them so probably not what most guys would want.

That's quite the generalization there. I guess we can trust this since you know every zen guy with a gf in the world or else you wouldn't be able to say "the only." Watch your words for they become your beliefs and what you attract in your outter reality. Specially generalizations and false beliefs.

In my world it's different. The zen guys I have known had amazing women with them.

It's really not about being zen per se or anything else it's about being authentic. When you vibrate a vibe of authenticity and self love you will attract women who match it.

The guys I have known who were zen had beautiful and spiritual women with them that loved them. But these guys were authentic they were spiritual and had a clear purpose to life and it wasn't trying to get women in other words they were alpha.

Many people in this forum still confuse alpha with being a dominant male who f**ks a lot of women. Go read Shannon's thread about an ascended alpha if you haven't.

You can be zen and be alpha or also be dominant and be alpha. Being alpha is about being in command of your reality, having passion, integrity, self love, self reliance, self respect and a clear purpose to your life that you work towards every day. Women are only a benefit of being a man that is strong and has these qualities because genetically they are attracted to thi type of man.

Remember, you can be zen and not alpha (no self respect, self reliance) and also be dominant and not alpha. Being alpha is not about that...

[RisingSon]

I'd agree that a large part of being alpha is about authenticity, integrity, and the congruent behavior that women pick up on from this.

That view makes me adverse to the auto-pilot that was added to this sub. It seems like that makes the user beta, running around trying to conform to the woman's expectations (usually conditioned more by society/others) of reality?

If that was replaced with manifestation, woah... Then I would manifest my ideal sexual reality with females who cater to my relationship ideals, not the other way around. Wouldn't that be nice and easy, how delightful! Then I could actually be productive! Haha...

Sexual attraction is all about power. If you are truly healthy and fit you will feel/be powerful and won't need fake pheromones to illicit that attraction trigger. The hormonal balance also leads to positive attitude, well being and zen.

Most people are running around in adrenal exhaustion from their busy-body lifestyles, living only to impress other people when maybe we were put here for discovering spiritual realization and the freedom that offers.

In this way I could say that being zen is a loop that helps to form a healthy, spontaneous lifestyle. Unfortunately, most people are out of the loop!

[bits]

The only women with zen boyfriends/husbands are either ugly or very domineering and controlling of them so probably not what most guys would want.

That's quite the generalization there. I guess we can trust this since you know every zen guy with a gf in the world or else you wouldn't be able to say "the only." Watch your words for they become your beliefs and what you attract in your outter reality. Specially generalizations and false beliefs.

In my world it's different. The zen guys I have known had amazing women with them.

It's really not about being zen per se or anything else it's about being authentic. When you vibrate a vibe of authenticity and self love you will attract women who match it.

The guys I have known who were zen had beautiful and spiritual women with them that loved them. But these guys were authentic they were spiritual and had a clear purpose to life and it wasn't trying to get women in other words they were alpha.

Many people in this forum still confuse alpha with being a dominant male who f**ks a lot of women. Go read Shannon's thread about an ascended alpha if you haven't.

You can be zen and be alpha or also be dominant and be alpha. Being alpha is about being in command of your reality, having passion, integrity, self love, self reliance, self respect and a clear purpose to your life that you work towards every day. Women are only a benefit of being a man that is strong and has these qualities because genetically they are attracted to thi type of man.

Remember, you can be zen and not alpha (no self respect, self reliance) and also be dominant and not alpha. Being alpha is not about that...

yea you're right it is an over generalization but I would say 80% of the guys i met at those events fit the description. It's a small sample size of probably only 20 or 30 men that I got to know well enough through conversation but if I had to pick one or the other based on my own personal experiences I know which way I would go.

keep in mind though that sedona/power of now zen is very different from "normal guy who is zen"