DMSI 3.3.2, OED, X124, PSEv3, etc.

[rono]

Hi All (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2),

Day 2, Cycle 6 of sub....

Well, with the coronavirus thing, we have little opportunity for outside interaction. So not noticing much. I suppose I could honestly say that we both felt a little less 'down' or 'moody' once I restarted the listening to the sub. Having everything closing, watching our retirement account shrink drastically, friends losing their jobs, etc. was having us a bit down/sad. But since yesterday afternoon we've been feeling a bit more optimistic. 

Is this a result of the DMSI, Shannon?

Also, noted that I may be feeling some 'resistance'. Does the sub encourage you to get out of the house and make contact with people? Like to seek out situations where there will be women? If so, the quarantine thing militates against that and could be the cause of resistance.

What do you think, Shannon?

Here's hoping and praying that all that are reading this are well and surviving the consequences of the general lock downs that we're all seeing throughout the world. Blessings!

[Have at ye]

DMSI has an "autopilot" and manifestation module (for meeting people who'd be good matches for the program's goals), so the drive to go out and be among people may be related to that.

[Shannon]

Hi All (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2),

Day 2, Cycle 6 of sub....

Well, with the coronavirus thing, we have little opportunity for outside interaction. So not noticing much. I suppose I could honestly say that we both felt a little less 'down' or 'moody' once I restarted the listening to the sub. Having everything closing, watching our retirement account shrink drastically, friends losing their jobs, etc. was having us a bit down/sad. But since yesterday afternoon we've been feeling a bit more optimistic. 

Is this a result of the DMSI, Shannon?

DMSI will tend to focus your mood in a direction that is conducive to achieving its goals.  That is not a state of depression, unless you're fighting the program hard.

Also, noted that I may be feeling some 'resistance'. Does the sub encourage you to get out of the house and make contact with people? Like to seek out situations where there will be women? If so, the quarantine thing militates against that and could be the cause of resistance.

What do you think, Shannon?

DMSI is trying to make you irresistibly sexually attractive, and to act on opportunities presented to you.  It also tries to manifest opportunities.  But it's not pushing you to get out of the house.  Resistance would be to something it is attempting to accomplish, which would result in something that scares the resisting part.

Here's hoping and praying that all that are reading this are well and surviving the consequences of the general lock downs that we're all seeing throughout the world. Blessings!

Indeed.  Best wishes, my friend.

[rono]

Hi All, (DMSI 3.3.2 off-label ongoing experiment...)

Day 7 (Cycle 6):
Last few days have been uneventful as far as the sub results are concerned. The headaches gradually went away, but it turned out they were associated with an old neck/upper back injury. They still come and go, so no association w/ the sub.

Tension mounts in the home due to the lack of social distancing with everyone else, it gets kind of intense living with one other person. Takes extra effort to keep things on a steady state. Something that I usually have down pat, so this is an interesting challenge and I'm learning new techniques.

I did have one interesting experience talking to a neighbor who I only see occasionally. He was out front chatting with a friend, I went out to put my trash cans away and said, 'Hi' and was turning to go back in when he exclaimed loudly to his friend, "doesn't he look great!" I said, "hey thanks! You're looking better, too" (he had been recovering from a bout with cancer). He went on to explain that I just looked great, etc. He's not gay or anything, but I have to believe this is aura stuff. I still have a little tan from my Hawai'i vacation and a have been learning to train a bit at home even though the gyms are all closed with limited equipment. But nothing that demands that kind of attention.

The other night, along the same lines, right after I trimmed my beard, my wife told me I looked "really good" -- she never compliments my appearance, or even notices a stain on my shirt, etc. unless I ask. So maybe she's feeling it, too. Personal image projection is going well it seems.

That's all the personal contact I've had due to the quarantine (other than very brief visits with my daughters and their kids to take them some things).

My wife's been out and about, at work and shopping (her office isn't closed because she manages properties where potentially necessary businesses are functioning. She has not commented on anything. If anything comes up I'll report it.

One more day in this Cycle of listening before the ASRB2. Starting to wonder if I haven't seen as much benefit as I can get.

Is there a value in listening to this for a longer period (than the 92 days), in the sense that it becomes more effective or the effects intensify or become more enduring? OR is there benefit in taking a longer break so that it comes in more 'fresh'. Maybe doing as others have done and using a different sub in the interim. I've avoided doing this mostly in order to follow as closely to the instructions as possible for myself. 

Hope all are still well! I'm looking forward to getting some reduced activity level from the quarantine, but so far we have only gotten a reduced responsibility of about 4 hours this past week. But that's nice, we got to use our spa and watch a movie
Back to work!

[rono]

Hi All (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day 8 Cycle #6 of sub listening

Tomorrow begins the ASRB2 for the 6th time... 

But last night I accidentally left the sub playing all night, however, the volume was about half what I usually use and we had the air conditioner running so I have no idea how 'audible' the ultrasonic/silent version was. But I slept hard and wanted to keep sleeping through however many wake-ups that happened to me.
However, my wife woke in the wee hours 2-3am and couldn't fall back to sleep. She followed our 'agreement' and woke me gently by going down on me. Once sufficiently awake and aroused, I did her and she had a couple massive and satisfying orgasms. Still keyed up, I had to talk her down and put her to sleep. Finally, I was allowed to sleep another hour or so.

I found it interesting that I was not kept awake by the sub (even though the speaker was on my side of the bed) but she was. So I don't think it was that, it was the overall overstimulation of the craziness here in California re the virus.

Nothing much happened today. I will persist through the 92 days but am starting to want more social contact to see what might happen with this one. If this isolation keeps on, I may have to stop using this sub, it seems to make me feel the urge to be around people more acutely. I can't even do my usual things like getting a massage or going for a beer with the guys. Since I work from home and have few to no female coworkers, it's just my wife and I.

Stay safe and healthy out there everyone!

[Shannon]

Playing the subliminal at a lower volume will still be audible to the subconscious, even with other sounds present. I have done experiments which prove that even a volume of 1 click on my cell phone can influence testers as far as 15 feet away, when they could not consciously hear normal audio at that volume and even half that distance.

The effect of lowering the volume is to present a gentler "request" to the subconscious, and go deeper into it. It frequently works better than higher volumes for specific personality types. By your description, I would say that it was DMSI.

[rono]

Playing the subliminal at a lower volume will still be audible to the subconscious, even with other sounds present.  I have done experiments which prove that even a volume of 1 click on my cell phone can influence testers as far as 15 feet away, when they could not consciously hear normal audio at that volume and even half that distance.

The effect of lowering the volume is to present a gentler "request" to the subconscious, and go deeper into it.  It frequently works better than higher volumes for specific personality types.  By your description, I would say that it was DMSI.

Shannon, do you think this very low volume thing is true of all your subs, of all silent subs? I have tended to play at the loudest volume that doesn't cause pops and crackles. Maybe varying it up would be effective. Currently, I've been listening in the background most of the day, then for a couple hours in the afternoon listening to the hybrid on the earphones (ocean version, the stream makes me want to go to the bathroom... which reminds me, the first subs I tried had a 'rain' option, which was always my favorite, ocean was my second.)

[rono]

Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day #2 Cycle 6 
Yesterday was uneventful, so has been today. So little personal contact with others besides my wife the difference is hard to detect at appropriate social distances....

Yet, we did both notice a LOT of dreaming these last two nights. Whether it's the craziness of the times or the current effects of the DMSI, I have no idea. Perhaps the DMSI got real deep that last night of this past cycle when we listened at a low volume all night.

Another way I have not been following the guidelines is that are laid out (besides listening to it with my wife), is that I don't limit the number of loops per day, the thing is they often get interrupted and it has become burdensome to try and make sure I start and stop at the right times, so I just loop it and let it play. Then I try to listen on headphones a couple times a day.

I do play other lower-powered subliminals (non IML products) for my wife at night and they don't seem to interfere. That is my other non-guideline practice.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm extremely looking forward to getting back to normal life. The isolation is driving me crazy. I'm not a terribly social person, in that I go out every day, but missing my one or two times per week of getting out and being around people is greatly missed. Of course, now that we'll be having a couple sunny warmer days, getting outside will probably lighten my mood a bit. Isolation + rain and no sun... not a fan.

Have a great day and stay safe!

[Shannon]

Playing the subliminal at a lower volume will still be audible to the subconscious, even with other sounds present.  I have done experiments which prove that even a volume of 1 click on my cell phone can influence testers as far as 15 feet away, when they could not consciously hear normal audio at that volume and even half that distance.

The effect of lowering the volume is to present a gentler "request" to the subconscious, and go deeper into it.  It frequently works better than higher volumes for specific personality types.  By your description, I would say that it was DMSI.

Shannon, do you think this very low volume thing is true of all your subs, of all silent subs? I have tended to play at the loudest volume that doesn't cause pops and crackles. Maybe varying it up would be effective. Currently, I've been listening in the background most of the day, then for a couple hours in the afternoon listening to the hybrid on the earphones (ocean version, the stream makes me want to go to the bathroom... which reminds me, the first subs I tried had a 'rain' option, which was always my favorite, ocean was my second.)

It is true of all audio subliminals.  That is why you get different results from masked, ultrasonic and hybrid formats.  Playing it just below pops and crackles is too loud for some people.  Volume = aggression to some personality types.  So does hybrid vs one of the non-hybrid formats.  Just as with a woman sexually, gentle can go a long way.

[Shannon]

Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day #2 Cycle 6 
Yesterday was uneventful, so has been today. So little personal contact with others besides my wife the difference is hard to detect at appropriate social distances....

Yet, we did both notice a LOT of dreaming these last two nights. Whether it's the craziness of the times or the current effects of the DMSI, I have no idea. Perhaps the DMSI got real deep that last night of this past cycle when we listened at a low volume all night.

Another way I have not been following the guidelines is that are laid out (besides listening to it with my wife), is that I don't limit the number of loops per day, the thing is they often get interrupted and it has become burdensome to try and make sure I start and stop at the right times, so I just loop it and let it play. Then I try to listen on headphones a couple times a day.

I do play other lower-powered subliminals (non IML products) for my wife at night and they don't seem to interfere. That is my other non-guideline practice.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm extremely looking forward to getting back to normal life. The isolation is driving me crazy. I'm not a terribly social person, in that I go out every day, but missing my one or two times per week of getting out and being around people is greatly missed. Of course, now that we'll be having a couple sunny warmer days, getting outside will probably lighten my mood a bit. Isolation + rain and no sun... not a fan.

Have a great day and stay safe!

So you're not using a limited number of loops, you're breaking ASRB and you're running not only more than one sub at a time, but different subliminals producers at a time.  And it surprises you that things aren't perfect?

The limit to the number of loops is so you don't overload your mind, and it has the right amount of input to execute ratio.  Running too many or too few loops damages that.  Interrupting ASRB damages that also.  Running other subs will ALWAYS have a negative impact, whether or not you can see it.  And running subs from another producer is not a "guideline" you're breaking, it's a specific instruction I give to keep you safe.  It may not seem like it's doing anything, but how would you know?  How do you know that the effects aren't entirely subconscious?  So subtle that neither of you realizes what's going on?  Slow enough acting, or forming, that it takes a long time to realize anything is wrong?  By which time you could have done potentially irreversible damage.  

This is why we say, NEVER MIX SUBLIMINAL PRODUCERS.  Even people in this field, even people with advanced degrees in psychology, cannot guarantee that they know enough to, or can see the potential conflicts and damage.   And if the experts can't always see it, how the heck will you?

[rono]

Hi All, (ongoing off-label experiment with DMSI 3.3.2)

Day #2 Cycle 6 
Yesterday was uneventful, so has been today. So little personal contact with others besides my wife the difference is hard to detect at appropriate social distances....

Yet, we did both notice a LOT of dreaming these last two nights. Whether it's the craziness of the times or the current effects of the DMSI, I have no idea. Perhaps the DMSI got real deep that last night of this past cycle when we listened at a low volume all night.

Another way I have not been following the guidelines is that are laid out (besides listening to it with my wife), is that I don't limit the number of loops per day, the thing is they often get interrupted and it has become burdensome to try and make sure I start and stop at the right times, so I just loop it and let it play. Then I try to listen on headphones a couple times a day.

I do play other lower-powered subliminals (non IML products) for my wife at night and they don't seem to interfere. That is my other non-guideline practice.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm extremely looking forward to getting back to normal life. The isolation is driving me crazy. I'm not a terribly social person, in that I go out every day, but missing my one or two times per week of getting out and being around people is greatly missed. Of course, now that we'll be having a couple sunny warmer days, getting outside will probably lighten my mood a bit. Isolation + rain and no sun... not a fan.

Have a great day and stay safe!

So you're not using a limited number of loops, you're breaking ASRB and you're running not only more than one sub at a time, but different subliminals producers at a time.  And it surprises you that things aren't perfect?

The limit to the number of loops is so you don't overload your mind, and it has the right amount of input to execute ratio.  Running too many or too few loops damages that.  Interrupting ASRB damages that also.  Running other subs will ALWAYS have a negative impact, whether or not you can see it.  And running subs from another producer is not a "guideline" you're breaking, it's a specific instruction I give to keep you safe.  It may not seem like it's doing anything, but how would you know?  How do you know that the effects aren't entirely subconscious?  So subtle that neither of you realizes what's going on?  Slow enough acting, or forming, that it takes a long time to realize anything is wrong?  By which time you could have done potentially irreversible damage.  

This is why we say, NEVER MIX SUBLIMINAL PRODUCERS.  Even people in this field, even people with advanced degrees in psychology, cannot guarantee that they know enough to, or can see the potential conflicts and damage.   And if the experts can't always see it, how the heck will you?

So... since the sub is 72 minutes long, you're supposed to play it back to back with no breaks and only play it 4 times for a total of (nearly) 5 hours, how do you do this if you move from room-to-room-to-road-to-yard etc. during the day. All day long, one is on-and-off the phone, in meetings, speaking with family members. The only way I can think of making sure it is limited to 4 loops per day is what I was doing at the beginning:
start the sub in the morning, sync my phone to the one that was playing in the bathroom, take it with me to the kitchen and to my office. Then go for a run, switching it to my ipod and trying to sync it up. Then hopping in the shower, switching it back to a blue tooth speaker before doing so.
This became so cumbersome, and I started to forget whether I'd synced when moving from one room to another. That's why I just let it play most of the day hoping I was getting the equivalent of 4 loops.
The only time I have 5 hours in one place unbroken is during the night and I thought night-time listening was not ideal because of the energy flooding would not be congenial to sleep...
These are my reasons for doing things the way I have. I assume my experience is similar to most folks. Perhaps the design is too 'tight' and unforgiving? Not really for me to judge, I'm doing what I can and have been happy with the results overall. 
I do appreciate the concern and detailed explanation and will take them in advisement so as to avoid unconscious damage. Having said this, I did feel like only 4 loops a day did not feel 'challenging'. I've done a lot of binaural entrainment, hypnosis, meditation, and even subliminals over the years, which made me wonder if I were needing greater stimulation than the typical individual.
Again, I have no complaints about the effects of the sub-- they worked particularly well for my wife and I when we were on vacation. It does make sense to me that in the midst of a very confusing and challenging time as well as a busy work-life (largely in isolation from even family members, not to mention general public) that there would be less noticeable effects--so I do not blame this on sub, rather on the circumstances.
I have found the experience of using DMSI 3.3.2 very rewarding and interesting. I continue to find it so, and if I'm disappointed it is in my environment, not in the sub itself.

[RTBoss]

Many of us run subliminals exclusively while sleeping - simply because it is the only time to get all the loops in back-to-back.  I've run many iterations of DMSI this way, including 3.3.2, without issue.

As far as seeing the need to be "challenged" by the subliminal, I find that to be an interesting choice of word.  The script simply needs to be executed without resistance, so "cooperating" with the subliminal is what's required.  If full cooperation - "execution" - is happening, being challenged isn't necessary.  That said, these newer subs include Autoconfig, so you will naturally gravitate toward the optimal number of loops for you to execute the script.  You may be experiencing that, or you could be using this need to be challenged as a resistance tactic by not following the instructions.  I am leaning toward the latter as the explanation, as you have been running loops here and there, breaking ASRB, and even mixing subliminals from different producers.  

Run the sub during sleep, follow the instructions, and after a few weeks, see if you feel the inclination to adjust the number of loops.

[rono]

Many of us run subliminals exclusively while sleeping - simply because it is the only time to get all the loops in back-to-back.  I've run many iterations of DMSI this way, including 3.3.2, without issue.

As far as seeing the need to be "challenged" by the subliminal, I find that to be an interesting choice of word.  The script simply needs to be executed without resistance, so "cooperating" with the subliminal is what's required.  If full cooperation - "execution" - is happening, being challenged isn't necessary.  That said, these newer subs include Autoconfig, so you will naturally gravitate toward the optimal number of loops for you to execute the script.  You may be experiencing that, or you could be using this need to be challenged as a resistance tactic by not following the instructions.  I am leaning toward the latter as the explanation, as you have been running loops here and there, breaking ASRB, and even mixing subliminals from different producers.  

Run the sub during sleep, follow the instructions, and after a few weeks, see if you feel the inclination to adjust the number of loops.

Thanks for the response, I've been running it since January and I think I kept to the instructions quite closely during the first 4 cycles, I'm now finishing up the last two days of the 6th cycle. I increased the number of loops a couple weeks ago, but haven't shortened the 4 day ASRB2. 
As far as listening at night, my wife slept more fitfully the one night where I ran DMSI 3.3.2, since I only manage to get about 6 hours on a good night, when she was fitful, that put me down to 5 or so which was not good.
I'll try the night time listening again sometime when I can afford the lost sleep, since you recommend it.

[rono]

Hi All (ongoing off-label DMSI 3.3.2 experiment),

Day 5 of Cycle #7 (sub listening)

So have been doing only night-time listening of the sub this time around. I think we're hitting around 5 loops, so I just realized I can control this by creating a playlist with the same file 4 times rather than just looping. I will try to remember to set this up before tonight. 

At recommendations from various quarters, I am experimenting with the night-time listening. A couple things this has changed. 1) we listen at a much lower volume because of the pops and crackles that happen on our bedroom sound system (I don't notice these on other systems even at a moderate volume); 2) we both listen to it at the exact same time rather than at different times during the day; 3) I am using no other subs or background affirmations, etc. 

Originally, because of the stimulating effects of the sub I did not even want to try listening at night. "Energy flooding" and 'targeting' sounded much more like daytime activities. As it turns out, one night I accidentally left it on and I slept great. 

However, I'm not sure I can keep up the night-time listening because my wife wakes early in the am and cannot get back to sleep feeling overstimulated. I will try again tonight making sure the sub stops after the 4th repetition and see if this works for her. The overstimulation is not placebo because I didn't tell her I was going to play this particular sub at night. She is used to night-time subs but only this one seems to be creating this effect.

Overall, I like the convenience of listening at night. I do have more vivid dreams, though I don't think I have more dreams. My wife hasn't commented on the dreams, but she says the sleep she does get is very deep, it just is over at 3am. I track my sleep using an Oura ring and it does not seem to indicate any difference between my sleep patterns before we listened to the sub and after.

I will try some hypnosis (I'm an amateur, though), with her (she loves hypnosis and has been hypnotized many times) to see if I can help her sleep through the night. I seem to remember that hypnosis is not advised while using the sub, but I'm assuming this was referring to hypnotherapy for behavior change. This hypnosis would be just for helping her relax again and sleep after she wakes up at 3am, so I think it would be permissible, but we'll see what Shannon opines.

Have not really noticed any behavior changes in her or me but since we're rarely in public it's hard to tell. She has a meeting with a customer today who has in the past been very complimentary to her. We'll see if he still is complimentary with her (it's primarily unusual because he is decades younger than her). Other than that, in this day of social distancing people seem to see others more as a threat than as someone to be attracted to. 

I have been feeling pretty good, confident and clear-headed, but that could just be because my 'migraine season' seems to be passing (fingers crossed).

I wonder if the 'sniper' can cut through that (the social distancing thing) when it gets strong enough? How long would we have to use the subs before it does get that strong?

Just curious. 

Has anyone listening tried the health/immune-oriented subs during this time?