DMSI 3.2 - B and A

[mat422]

Well, all my upbringing was pretty much fear based. It is also common within my family where all need to be safe. You say fear is irrational but it feels/felt very real. In a certain way it was probably the only motivation I had. However, I hope I can break through soon.

Hey man I know what that's like. The whole fear is irrational thing doesn't work for me either. Fear is fear, it could be all in my head and imaginary but it still messes with me. My best advice is to really dig down into why you have the fear. Sometimes fear actually stops you from doing that as well, but you sort of have to dissect it.

Since your type is INFP, we tend to face unique challenges in that our dominant cognitive function is based in feeling. More thinking oriented types have a tendency to explain away fear as irrational and it works for them because their whole cognitive process is based on logical frameworks. So basically do what works for you and try not to give in to fear and dont see it as this intangible thing that blocks you.

You're only born with two fears: A fear of falling and a fear of loud noises.

The rest are learned hence they're irrational.

Shannon agreed to this in a post in his journal discussion thread a while back.

Where you're wrong is that fear is "actually an intangible thing that blocks you". Subconscious fear builds the wall that confines a person's reality.

Yeah but that has no practical application. How does knowing it's irrational aid in any way? Plenty of people who struggle with fear are painfully aware of how irrational it is. I'd go so far as to say there's a lot of shame built up surrounding it because the fears can be so goddamn stupid. Having lived that reality for a while where I couldn't even hold down a part time job. I don't know your history and if you've experienced anything like that, but it's easy to talk about WHY we shouldn't be afraid of something vs actually not being afraid. Shannon has also stated his type is INTP. People don't put much weight into MBTI, but it's pretty much how your brain processes information. An individual who's always looking for logical inconsistencies about the world around them will see fear as a highly irrational thing and be able to deconstruct it. A feeling type will need to find a different way, I've found compassion and understanding to break the emotional impact of fear works better. This isn't a matter of what's rational, this is a matter of navigating the labyrinth of the mind in the most familiar form of cognition to the individual. Which means there is no one size fits all solution.

Also I said don't let it be an intangible thing. I was encouraging him to keep exploring instead of saying "oh well the fear is too much, it stops me".

Ok, so you're missing a piece of crucial knowledge here.

Me saying fears are irrational isn't the same as me saying "you can rationally think your way out of a fear". That's just a logical leap you've made in your mind.

Fears are learned subconscious behaviours. You need to unlearn them at the subconscious level. The best way to do this fast is through NLP or hypnosis.

Only the ego fears death. The other two are inherent and in born fears. The rest are irrational because at some point you've learned to be afraid.

It'd help if he had some baseline of a fearless state with which he could compare the two.

While it is all red and rosy to accept fear and you can hold hands and skip through green fields together, this was never about being "intellectual" about fear. I'm a pragmatist. I recognise that fears shape ones reality. They're literally the walls that keep a person trapped within their current existence.

Alright I apologise for jumping to that conclusion. It's a touchy subject for me and I've encountered a lot of ignorant people in my life who don't understand to what extent fear can paralyze someone in life. Which resulted in crappy advice and lack of understanding about what I dealt with.

[Nox]

Fear isn't bad. It may get in the way of a lot of things we want in life, but it is a worthwhile reaction when used and directed properly

Fear can provide extreme growth if we can accept it and learn to work with it properly. So don't feel bad that you dont believe or respond well to a lot of the lovey dovey silliness now a days. It just takes determination and work my friend

Shannon says that fear is always bad. I tried to argue that it's good sometimes but I guess not.

I have nothing but respect for Shannon but I don't always agree with him.

His expertise and mine are in different areas.

[Shawn]

Hmm strange, quick edit works for me.

Quick.. edit... test.

Well, didn't work yesterday, tried several times. Will try again when I am home.

[Shannon]

Fear isn't bad. It may get in the way of a lot of things we want in life, but it is a worthwhile reaction when used and directed properly

Fear can provide extreme growth if we can accept it and learn to work with it properly. So don't feel bad that you dont believe or respond well to a lot of the lovey dovey silliness now a days. It just takes determination and work my friend

Shannon says that fear is always bad. I tried to argue that it's good sometimes but I guess not.

I have nothing but respect for Shannon but I don't always agree with him.

His expertise and mine are in different areas.

So where do you think I am wrong on this?

[Nox]

Fear isn't bad. It may get in the way of a lot of things we want in life, but it is a worthwhile reaction when used and directed properly

Fear can provide extreme growth if we can accept it and learn to work with it properly. So don't feel bad that you dont believe or respond well to a lot of the lovey dovey silliness now a days. It just takes determination and work my friend

Shannon says that fear is always bad. I tried to argue that it's good sometimes but I guess not.

I have nothing but respect for Shannon but I don't always agree with him.

His expertise and mine are in different areas.

So where do you think I am wrong on this?

I don't think you are wrong on ways to work with the subconscious and improve someone's life in this current reality. I will gladly acknowledge that you are right.

My opinion is different as one gets further away from that idea into some more controversial areas and periods of existence.

[Shawn]

Hmm strange, quick edit works for me.

Quick.. edit... test.

Well, didn't work yesterday, tried several times. Will try again when I am home.

Hmmm....for some reason it doesn't work anymore for me on Firefox (64-bit) but Opera works for example. But if nobody else had this problem then simply my system is somehow fucked up.

[Shawn]

Today after listening I became really tired and had to take care to not fall asleep at work. I discovered that I am afraid of coming across as creepy when I am sexually charged which is probably the reason I don't feel the aura at all with exceptions of few moments here and there. The thing is when I was sexually charged in the past then I sometimes came really across as creepy. Don't know why because I didn't do anything special but it was still the case. It also happened in the last 3 - 4 weeks very noticeable and I have no clue why I come across this way. Funny thing is after realizing this the tiredness became noticeable less. Still, the creepy part must be resolved somehow.

[Shawn]

Just the post I posted already accidentaly in my old journal. Deleted there and reposted here:

Today in the morning felt frustrated like it has no sense to run this sub. Later it got better and I even felt the aura firering when my work colleague was close. But it still felt gently. Later when shopping I noticed that most of the stuff I wanted to buy was on sale. Other than that not much to report. I will have a look in other journals today so I can see what's going on for other people.

[Jake2015]

how do you know when the auras firing? the aura works on influencing others right?

[Shawn]

how do you know when the auras firing?

I can feel it.

the aura works on influencing others right?

Yes, but it is still you who generate the aura.

[Shawn]

Today I woke up an was feeling a lot of energy. In bus I had looks from 3 or 4 women which lasted about 2 - 3 seconds each. Later the day I had some positive thoughts about the program. Like "If I start execute now then at least all the pain in the past was not in vain" or "If I start to execute and become irresistably attractive then all the women from the past will see what they missed". Like the side which wants to execute tries to motivate the rest of me to execute. Later when doing my loop I felt a large amount of energy this time, the days before it was more subtle. Had also some unpleasant moments these day like some dizziness which triggert some hypochondric thoughts but it didn't last long. For me it makes the impression that I execute every day a little bit more but I don't wanna be too fast here, just see how it continues.

[Shawn]

Yesterday I messed up with my loops because I accidentaly started the sub while driving and had to stop after few minutes because driving has become almost impossible due to tiredness. Tried to end the loop at home but got immediate headache and had to stop again. Strange. Anyway, ended the loop today, tomorrow will be normal again.

Until yesterday sleep was great on this sub, yesterday could only sleep for about 3 hours. I think that might be because of the messed loop and I also noticed some kind of energy overload which prevented sleeping. Seems again related to my neighbours girlfriend and he seems at least to profit from...

[Shawn]

Did my loop today and nothing special to report so far. I notice like there are two parts within me. The first part who is completely excited and eager to execute and rock the boat and the second part who completely unimpressed says "Nope. Won't happen, not safe". For a moment I had the picture in my head of a Klingon trying to convince a Vulcan but always fails as the Vulcan has a better logic.

Anyway. I was also thinking if I should try the hybrid instead masked but the thing is in the past that triggered more resistance and lead to stonewalling in long term. Did the wall solve it? I don't know, I guess only trying would show.

[Shawn]

Was out for a movie yesternday and next to me was a woman. I don't know how old because first I had the impression she is probably in her late twenties but later it seemed more like in the mit fourties. Anyway, after ten minutes or so she took her drink and while having her drinking straw in her mouth she moved her head like giving a blowjob a few times. Later I also noticed that she moved her hand a bit while having her hand between her legs. I think all the time if I really saw these things or just fantasized because it doesn't feel like it really happened. However, overall I feel frustrated because I don't feel like I am making noticeable progress at all and reading other journals makes me more frustrated at this point.

Did a loop hybrid today and at least it doesn't feel like I am stonewalling the thing. I will try to alterate hybrid and masked.