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Yesterday, 10:37 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 10:18 AM)hsindermann Wrote:  
Quote:I was really hoping to see some journals on the new Universal Detox. I know you guys don't realize how world shatteringly awesome it is yet, but come on. Someone bought it to run it, didn't they? Big Grin

You don't want us folks to skip the 21 days off in between subs, do you? Wink

No comment. Smile

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Yesterday, 10:57 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Hmmm, I guess I will report on just a "little" bit about the detox since no one else has. Though first I think I will make a comparison. When I had a breakthrough with E2 it felt like a lot got removed then got replaced with a lot of joy and happiness. With UD though its somewhat different. It feels like a blank slate effect. It feels like there aren't multiple "programs" or "voices" that other people implanted in my head when I was younger running in my head constantly. It just feels like i'm just "here". It doesn't feel bad or good, it just feels like I'm present. When the energy of this sub is working it feels "nice". Not great or bad just kind of like this warmth that is disinfecting something. It felt like it was working on my emotions, beliefs, physical body, and Aura. I did realize some pretty deep things about myself which have led to some life changing choices, Career wise and association wise as well. I won't go into much detail, I want to wait a couple of weeks but I think I'm liking this better than E2. I will explain something that was very deep for me. I finally found out why I had so much hatred, anger, and misanthropy came from.I wonder if this could help somehow with dealing with people who have the "Don't tell me what to do" mentality which often leads to resistance against subs.

Apparently I had so many programs running in my head that weren't really my beliefs but were forced upon me at a young age and re-enforced by Guilt, Shame, and fear. This made me feel like I had no control over my life whatsoever and therefore it caused a lot of resentment, anger, hatred directed at everyone. To use an example it was like if I wanted to attract a woman I might want to do "A" which would probably get me the attraction but I would have several voices in my head saying to do B, C, D, etc which would come out in my body language, facial expressions, voice tone, etc because they were re-enforced with a whole bunch of fear tactics, shamming, and guilt. I end up doing those things and the woman would lose attraction and then I would end up having this anger, rage, and hatred towards people, I would say even society as a whole. I think this also led to my lack of trust because I had trusted so many people , people with authority over me and were suppose to have my best interest in mind only for their advice and directions to do more harm than good (If it did any good whatsoever that is).

So pretty much "Want to do A, end up doing B, C, D, etc because that's what I was feared, shamed, and guilt trip into doing, don't get the result I want, and therefore end up having a lot of resentment, anger and sething hatred within me" because I don't feel like I'm living my own life on my terms and don't "believe" I can. Fortunely that has now changed and once I found out the cause I finally "believed" that I could live life my way and therefore the anger is pretty much gone. I would say over the past 2 days I've only felt anger like once or twice and each time it felt natural, or good in a way. As in it felt like it was within acceptable levels in accordance to what I angered me and also It didn't last long. I'm starting to wonder about something and maybe this will shed some light on this "Don't tell me what to do" mentality that is having so much difficulty. What if certain personality types are like this because they want to live their lives according to their own rules but they have so many "programs" in their mind due to fear, shame, and fear place their by authority figures and society that dominate their lives and when they listen to a sub they just go "oh great, another voice telling me what to do, giving me less control, and probably won't even work". Granted the sub is trying to give you more control but it probably doesn't see it that way. Don't know if that can help with future development but that's what I got in my case of why I "was" like that.

On a side note, this sub did confirm something for me. Ever since Shannon put in that wording for using acceptable definitions for terms, which I assume is in this sub as well so theres none of that trickery anymore, I've realized I have been forced into a corner and only have two options now: Execute or run away. It seems the subs are at a tipping point in which I can't resist anymore. I will admit with MLS I ran away. That sub produced a very extreme run away response and I found myself not even thinking about it to the point that about 2 weeks and half have already passed. This sub was even better and didn't produced as "pronounced" run away response but I can still feel the compulsion to run away somewhat in my head. I will be sticking with it though because this seems to be what I need at the moment. I will run it for longer (Read weeks) then if 3.2 isn't out any time soon will see if I cleared things up enough to see if 3.1 will working now. Either way, based on the response i'm getting my certain 3.2 will get me the results I want because my subconscious is all out of tricks now.

Anyway, I do hope that helped in someway.

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Yesterday, 11:11 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Interesting insights, but don't you suppose it's better to follow the directions on usage?

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Yesterday, 11:28 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Hey Shannon what do you think of my posts on glamor earlier in the thread.

E1 Start Date: October 15 2015
E1 End Date: March 5th 2016

E2 Start Date: March 6th 2016
E2 End Date: January 1st 2019

1031 Days Total.

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Yesterday, 11:35 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote:  Interesting insights, but don't you suppose it's better to follow the directions on usage?

oh I do, it was 3 months right? so about 12 weeks or so? I wasn't sure if 3.2 will be out by then because you said this "cycle" might cause problems if I remember correctly.

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Yesterday, 11:55 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 11:28 AM)Daredevil Wrote:  Hey Shannon what do you think of my posts on glamor earlier in the thread.

Still contemplating it. It's not a simple thing to consider.

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Yesterday, 11:56 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 11:35 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote:  Interesting insights, but don't you suppose it's better to follow the directions on usage?

oh I do, it was 3 months right? so about 12 weeks or so? I wasn't sure if 3.2 will be out by then because you said this "cycle" might cause problems if I remember correctly.

The upcoming cycle will cause me problems, I assure you. It should start 2-4 weeks into September, if not earlier. But that doesn't mean you should not commit to following the directions on a sub you're running. It cannot fully achieve its goals otherwise.

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Yesterday, 12:33 PM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
I think I will start a journal on UD soon, DMSI is fun and all, but maybe a change in sub would not be bad. Been on DMSI and predecessors for over a year now. A detox can benefit me before DMSI 3.2. Can't wait

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Yesterday, 12:41 PM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:35 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote:  Interesting insights, but don't you suppose it's better to follow the directions on usage?

oh I do, it was 3 months right? so about 12 weeks or so? I wasn't sure if 3.2 will be out by then because you said this "cycle" might cause problems if I remember correctly.

The upcoming cycle will cause me problems, I assure you. It should start 2-4 weeks into September, if not earlier. But that doesn't mean you should not commit to following the directions on a sub you're running. It cannot fully achieve its goals otherwise.


I had a question concerning this sub and 3.2. Do you plan to implement some of the clearing/healing methods you employed in Universal detox in 3.2. or would that not align right with the goals of 3.2? I ask this because you said there was some overlap between E2 and UD but there were different methods employed and quite frankly I kind of prefer this method of healing. With E2 or 3.1 it felt like clearing and healing would agitate me but with UD it seems to be clearing/healing most of my issues without prompting that response. Could it be just the different level in tech between 3.1 and UD or could it just be the different methods employed (such as subconscious can't redefine terms anymore)?

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Yesterday, 01:06 PM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 12:41 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:35 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote:  Interesting insights, but don't you suppose it's better to follow the directions on usage?

oh I do, it was 3 months right? so about 12 weeks or so? I wasn't sure if 3.2 will be out by then because you said this "cycle" might cause problems if I remember correctly.

The upcoming cycle will cause me problems, I assure you. It should start 2-4 weeks into September, if not earlier. But that doesn't mean you should not commit to following the directions on a sub you're running. It cannot fully achieve its goals otherwise.


I had a question concerning this sub and 3.2. Do you plan to implement some of the clearing/healing methods you employed in Universal detox in 3.2. or would that not align right with the goals of 3.2? I ask this because you said there was some overlap between E2 and UD but there were different methods employed and quite frankly I kind of prefer this method of healing. With E2 or 3.1 it felt like clearing and healing would agitate me but with UD it seems to be clearing/healing most of my issues without prompting that response. Could it be just the different level in tech between 3.1 and UD or could it just be the different methods employed (such as subconscious can't redefine terms anymore)?

The healing and clearing in UD is definitively separate and different from the detox itself. Since H&C is part of the skeleton script, unless I upgrade that section of the script or have different parts of it enabled, the H&C will be the same. Therefore, DMSI 3.1, MLS and UD all have the same H&C script. DMSI 3.1 and MLS have exactly the same H&C scripting active, just aimed at achieving different goals. UD turns off one of the H&C sub-modules because it would interfere with some of what the detox is designed to do.

The difference you are experiencing is the fact that detox is not H&C.

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Yesterday, 02:19 PM (This post was last modified: Yesterday 02:26 PM by CatMan.)
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Hello Shannon.

Congratulations on UD.

While I'm not quite sure of it's scope yet, you seem very excited about it, so it must be a noticeable step forward, regardless. Kudos to you.

To that end, I'm curious of two things:

1. My brother gets panic attacks/paranoia often. They're debilitating. He used OF5G for 192 days, didn't see much change in them. I've since had him on E2 for about 9 months now. They seem somewhat the same and often happen when I try to take him out. Although he has had a lot of healing and clearing related dreams showing the sub is indeed doing something. He also has issues with poor eating habits leading to lots of weight gain, which I'm sure both programs can cover somehow at some point. I'm just curious, would a sub like UD be a better fit for him?

2. Also, I've been a long time user of DMSI as you know. I think by now you're also aware of my issues, early trauma from girls, fear of them at times and being sexual, feelings of inadequacy, not good enough for them, they're vastly above me and out of reach, impossible to get, low confidence with them due to all of that etc. Would a program like UD be a better fit, knowing how my long V3.1 run has gone? I'd prefer to stick to DMSI obviously, but I was just curious of how this sub works, maybe it's the clearing and healing I've wanted for a long time, I don't know. It may prepare me to be a better man by default, never mind for the next installment of DMSI.

Anyway, congratulations. It's been very frustrating watching V3.2 stay on the shelf for so long, watching other programs being made along the way. Having to go a few more months on top of all this potentially with V3.1 given my run so far has made me wonder about this UD and if it's a step forward for me or not. Thinking about possibly some foundation building, but I know so little about this program I wanted to ask about it's application to myself and my brother. If it is a good fit for my brother, I may purchase for him and upgrade him from E2.

Thank you so much for your time, Shannon.
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Yesterday, 08:17 PM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 02:19 PM)CatMan Wrote:  Hello Shannon.

Congratulations on UD.

While I'm not quite sure of it's scope yet, you seem very excited about it, so it must be a noticeable step forward, regardless. Kudos to you.

Thank you.

Quote:To that end, I'm curious of two things:

1. My brother gets panic attacks/paranoia often. They're debilitating. He used OF5G for 192 days, didn't see much change in them. I've since had him on E2 for about 9 months now. They seem somewhat the same and often happen when I try to take him out. Although he has had a lot of healing and clearing related dreams showing the sub is indeed doing something. He also has issues with poor eating habits leading to lots of weight gain, which I'm sure both programs can cover somehow at some point. I'm just curious, would a sub like UD be a better fit for him?

I can only know that if I know specifically what is causing his issues. If 9 months on E2 has not fixed the issues, then it may be that he is going very slowly on purpose. UD certainly cannot hurt, but again, I cannot know if it would be the best choice without knowing exactly why he is experiencing what he is. In your shoes, I would consider it worth at least a 3 month investment to see what happens.

Quote:2. Also, I've been a long time user of DMSI as you know. I think by now you're also aware of my issues, early trauma from girls, fear of them at times and being sexual, feelings of inadequacy, not good enough for them, they're vastly above me and out of reach, impossible to get, low confidence with them due to all of that etc. Would a program like UD be a better fit, knowing how my long V3.1 run has gone? I'd prefer to stick to DMSI obviously, but I was just curious of how this sub works, maybe it's the clearing and healing I've wanted for a long time, I don't know. It may prepare me to be a better man by default, never mind for the next installment of DMSI.

It is possible that an indirect approach, one that is not specifically targeted at something that initially triggers fears for you, would be much more effective for you. Only trying it can show us whether or not it will.

Quote:Anyway, congratulations. It's been very frustrating watching V3.2 stay on the shelf for so long, watching other programs being made along the way. Having to go a few more months on top of all this potentially with V3.1 given my run so far has made me wonder about this UD and if it's a step forward for me or not. Thinking about possibly some foundation building, but I know so little about this program I wanted to ask about it's application to myself and my brother. If it is a good fit for my brother, I may purchase for him and upgrade him from E2.

Thank you so much for your time, Shannon.

I think that you may find it worth doing UD yourself. It is, at the very least, a different approach to getting past what is holding you back. I think that you will find that it has positive effects in many directions if you decide to run it.

3.2 is still not being worked on because I am still recovering from burning out on it. I did not realize I had done that, but whenever I think of working on it, I still feel a sort of exhaustion. So the time is not right just yet, but when it is, rest assured. I have a lot of things to accomplish yet with it.

Whatever you choose to do, best wishes along the way.

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Yesterday, 08:50 PM (This post was last modified: Yesterday 08:57 PM by CatMan.)
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Thank you so much for the response.

Since posting, I told him I posted and what I said. He told me he has had Agoraphobia that has lessened a great deal while on E2, which is a fair point I forgot about. So, it may be best for him to continue E2 given this. I originally planned to have him on E2 until E3, then upgrade him to it. I may stick with that.

Fair enough, I will keep my eye on journals for UD, with the intent of possibly switching. I did not want to "run away", so I prefer to stay on DMSI. But, it may be moving forward slowly I don't know I have trouble seeing it often. I am getting dreams that don't have anything to do with girls or sex though. Which is weird to me. I assume in some way this is clearing and healing, but it's strange to have such dreams during a program with this focus. I almost never dream of girls and NEVER at all of having sex itself with a woman, always non-sexual situations. Either fear-creating situations, being hunted or chased or cornered or fighting, or just situations that don't seem to have any relevance to the program whatsoever. With a few dreams of girls I know that have wronged me in the past, either doing it again, or being nice to me, but usually being cruel and mean to me again. Very odd indeed what's inside my "ocean" with the random non-DMSI focus dreams that are most often. Although some of the previous stuff you can boil down to the mind reacting to the programming. I just yearn for the time I can finally "change" from all of this being cornered and chased and hunted etc. by the sub. It feels like it's always "coming", but always off in the horizon somewhere. It's tough to describe.

I understand your exhaustion with the program. I'm exhausted with listening for a year and still struggling with it. But I believe in you. I just thought of UD because I do feel often that I've been spinning my wheels for awhile, and months and months MORE of spinning my wheels doesn't sound appetising. However, maybe I'm making tiny bits of progress, but it can be hard to see and internalise. Especially when you don't ever seem to have that one BIG moment with a girl that makes you say "wow!".

All the best, Shannon. I was certain you'd be working on V3.2 mid-August way earlier it seemed based off what you said, and I'd have it mid-September for my birthday. Then all this stuff happened and it got pushed back and back and back and back. Obviously now, that won't happen, maybe by Christmas now...hmm... So basically, maybe in 2018 I can be sexual with women and have the life I want with V3.2 or V3.3 or V3.4 whichever final ends up being, we'll see. By the summer V3.4 could be out, if it needs to go that far, so I should be "rebuilt" as a new man next year sometime at last. Very exciting. I just need to bide my time. I've waited 36 years next month, another 6 or so months isn't impossible I suppose. And that's worst case scenario, V3.2 could break through, who knows.

Thank you for everything. I'm sorry I haven't been journaling, I've been turned off posting for awhile and have preferred lurking.
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Yesterday, 09:06 PM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
You do realize that the only thing holding you back from achieving all this is... your choice to... right? So really, all you have to do is change that choice, and you could have it whenever you want.

But if you want to wait... DMSI 3.2+ is coming.

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Yesterday, 09:19 PM (This post was last modified: Yesterday 09:22 PM by CatMan.)
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
I guess I don't understand when things get trivialised like that. To me, I don't even see how it's possible currently to live such a DMSI reality for me. It's so far removed from me currently, like what your post before about reality bending said. I have no frames of reference for it. So, I can't just wish for it or something and make it so, it's such an extreme reality from now so it's tough to even believe it CAN happen at some point in the future, never mind some instant possibility. Of course there's the insecurity with girls, and fears of intimacy/sexual escalation for obvious reasons, and the prevailing feeling based off ongoing reality that they still seem to be higher value than me and being rejected etc. still. So, I don't think this is some instant change situation, if so, I don't know how to do it.

I'd love to just flip some switch inside me and "be" DMSI out of nowhere immediately. But I don't even know the exact issues why I'm this way, so I don't know what to fix or how or even if such instant change is possible here for me. I've found I don't seem to have nearly such conscious control over things deep in the mind as is postulated or theorised. Hence why I'm using subs to help dig it all out and rebuild things. And for such a long time being such a struggle to see real progress, I can't get behind this "instant change if you want it" thing. Nobody here doesn't want that, I don't know how realistic it is though.

So, I've never understood when I get stuff like that said to me here. Like if it was just a simple immediate decision on one small thing and it's all immediately better and life is amazing. I feel if that was the case, none of us would have needed subs to begin with. So to me, I take that as further evidence that this must be more of a journey/jaunt unfortunately, and unrealistic to expect massive instant change. But, I gave up on that long ago and have become realistic with things. ASC 5G hit hard and quick, I loved that program. Others have mostly taken quite awhile to show things, if at all. So I understand now it's more a process, and don't expect unfair results from a program at an unfair point.

I eagerly await the next installment(s), when they arrive. Thank you for everything you're doing.

For now, I will continue to use Version A, diving deeper into my "ocean".
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Today, 12:55 AM (This post was last modified: Today 12:58 AM by Plouf.)
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
@CatMan: You ran DMSI for a year, without seeing any great result whatsoever concerning:
Quote:early trauma from girls, fear of them at times and being sexual, feelings of inadequacy, not good enough for them, they're vastly above me and out of reach, impossible to get, low confidence with them due to all of that
So why don't you give another sub a try ? I think a year is more than enough as a timeframe to see what work, and what doesn't work for you. I wouldn't stick to the same pratices and methods that give no results for me, or not the intended results, for so long.

I think I have more or less the same issues as you. The way you describe yours, matches almost perfectly my case. The only thing that helped in regard to it was the IDGAF attitude I was getting under DMSI A. I think it was the goal #2 kicking hard.
Unfortunately that feeling never lasted long, maybe because DMSI has to work on so many things.
That's why I was curious if Shannon intend to realease all the module of DMSI goal #2 as a stand alone version, only and only focused on self-esteem, self-confidence, self-worth, self-validating, and so on.
Shannon talked about Universal Healing but that sub won't be entirely focused on the points I listed above either.
For now I'm enjoying APE + OP but I'll run ASC for September and hopefully it'll help. There's OF too, and LTU, these are great alternatives I guess. Until DMSI 3.2.

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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 09:19 PM)CatMan Wrote:  I'd love to just flip some switch inside me and "be" DMSI out of nowhere immediately. But I don't even know the exact issues why I'm this way, so I don't know what to fix or how or even if such instant change is possible here for me. I've found I don't seem to have nearly such conscious control over things deep in the mind as is postulated or theorised. Hence why I'm using subs to help dig it all out and rebuild things. And for such a long time being such a struggle to see real progress, I can't get behind this "instant change if you want it" thing. Nobody here doesn't want that, I don't know how realistic it is though.

Similar to me you started the sub journey because of a certain girl and I wonder if this could cause some resistance and prevent progress, because the sub may get you to outgrow her and about three weeks ago I realized that there is still a part of me who want her to be affected, too, even if I didn't see her for more than a year now.

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Today, 03:46 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
From what i'm seeing, if that is the case that after that time it seems you're resiting over a certain girl.. it's possibly deeper.

I was obsessing about the last few girls I was with and so pissed off it didn't work out and alot of feelings and pain around that. The last girl was the 'trigger' to me finally working to deal with abandonment and such.. but it wasn't specific about her, it was what I was holding onto that it reminded me of.

Starting to confront and deal with those deeper emotions, i've barely thought about her or the girl before until today where I did a little.. interestingly when more feelings around rejection come up.

So what i'm saying is that that obsession was connected to deeper things, not necessarily about the girl as it seemed on the surface level.
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