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Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
Today, 12:32 AM (This post was last modified: Today 12:33 AM by LeonidasXVI.)
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Today 12:10 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:51 PM)LeonidasXVI Wrote:  As far free will goes, there's a hole in your logic. If it's okay to manifest a woman in which her free will is bypassed but let's say free will doesn't exist because of infinite realities. In that case, it is equally okay to rape a woman or go murder someone. Because, well, infinite realities.
This is where it gets confusing..

Yes of course it's wrong to force someone to do anything against their will i'm not disputing that.

But what if the act of manifestation where things happens in the invisible world where you don't actually put your hands on anybody and force anybody...what if that is just you changing your vibration to that of what you want which is in another parallel reality already?

On one hand we have the act of forcing someone through physical means in our 3d world which would break their free will.

On the other we have the act of trying to manifest a relationship with someone and just using our energy (thoughts etc). We do the work in our 3d world as invisible energies do their thing on the invisible world.

LET'S SAY WE ARE TRYING TO MANIFEST A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CRUSH

If scientists are correct than there are unlimited copies of that woman so you are not breaking her free will trying to manifest a relationship with her. You are just moving to a reality where you are her lover already.

If scientists are wrong that means there is only 1 of that woman ANYWHERE so thus you would be breaking her free will trying to manifest a relationship with her.

BTW if anyone wants to learn more about this go on youtube and look for BASHAR videos. He explains it much better than I do.

According to Bashar if you can imagine it it's because it already exists in another timeline. Your physical mind does not have the capability to imagine the impossible. So if you can imagine yourself driving a ferrari with a 10 if you can imagine it there is a version of you that is wildly successful who owns a ferrari and has a 10 as a gf. According to him whatever you want is a matter of changing your vibration to match that of what you want and the key is to feel as if you already have it. Of course it doesn't manifest instantaneously and exactly like you imagine it but it's a process.

If you follow Bashar's logic Shannon is changing our vibration and taking us to a parallel timeline where we are more successful with women. While in another time line there is another copy of you who never even found Shannon's subliminals (or he might not even exist).

Infinite probabilities.

If you are changing YOUR vibration though your own thoughts to match the reality where you are with that specific girl, then yes, I don't see how her free will is getting violated. Because you are not controlling her in any way, just your own reality. But it doesn't change that it will make you attached to her. Also, the concept of manifesting a specific girl is operating from a scarcity mindset. There are million of attractive girls out there, so why focus on one single special girl?
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Today, 01:42 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
People are together, in place, or in work place, or in school, college, etc,etc, because those people are on the SAME/similiar frequency.


People are attracted to specific person (girl/woman), cause their frequencies ARE LOWER than that girl/woman/people. If you WANT to make him/her attractive, just RAISE your frequencies, SIMILIAR or SAME, or even better: higher than that people.

IF you can do it, this what will happen:

IF you have successful raise your body frequency/vibration to SAME or SIMILIAR to that person:
1. You no longer look him/her attractive (especially in her/his appearance,body).
2. You like her/his intelligence more.
3. You started want to be her/his friend.
4. And potencially, you and him/her will be a best friend/best co-worker in your place.
5. You will see him/her as a normal person, just like you have been always get look or having a people like him/her everyday.
6. People are have vibration that are lower than yours WILL get started to see you AS ATTRACTIVE.
7. People will automatically drawn to you.

That's it! We can see two people that are best friends forever, oftenly be seen from others as "Wow, you are so match perfectly! Good teamwork!" etc.etc.

That's why there are called Friendzone, etc.etc. Because that to people ARE on the same frequency, very SIMILIAR frequency.

People always want to see better, see nicer, and tend or always to make compliment to other people/thing THAT are more amazing/beautiful/handsome/awesome than himself/herself/nothing else.



BUT....

IF you have much HIGHER frequency of that girl/people/woman/man/etc...., These what will happen:
1. You are no longer see a people as more attractive than yourself/others.
2. Number 2-5 effects more magnified.
3. You will see all as unconditional love, as a unity. THE TRUTH that, we all one.
4. You will see yourself as a normal person. You are not trying to seeking attention, approval (actually these shit thing just get solved when you have a frequency same to that person)>
5. People are more crazily look you as a MAGNIFICENT PERSON! You have a magnetic personality.
6. When you start to talking, or doing everything that you thought that was only ordinary/normal just as you always been do everyday, or anytime, people will SEE your work/anything that COMES OR RELATED FROM OR TO YOU as amazing masterpiece! Why?

What we do, what we feel, what we percieve, what we like, what we express, what we think, that were expressed outo the external reality, ARE THE representation of our deeper subconscious mind .

What you are focused more oftenly, you become.
If you focused to see that woman is beautiful, You actually say this to yourself, "Oh, that person was so amazing, I just can see him/her from here. I think I must go with her/him to make myself feel better BECAUSE I don't think I don't have anything to do good things for myself to make myself feel better." (Emotional, mental, or even physical dependency.)



The FIRST THING that actually people can sense you, IS NOT your attitude, or even personality, abilites, or EVEN BODY, APPEARANCE, but.

Your ENERGY.

85% communications happenned or occured from NON-PHYSICAL CONTACTS from each people to other people.

So what you are first is introduced from your energy field.

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Today, 08:40 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote:  
(Yesterday 04:30 PM)Shannon Wrote:  If I created a program that manifested a specific person into my life in the capacity of sexual lover, and she would not have chosen that option for herself, and she ends up in the sort of relationship and action I wanted to manifest... I have manipulated circumstances such that she may have had her free will bypassed.
That is if you believe in just one timeline. Scientists have recently started to say that we live in infinite parallel universes/timelines. So to believe that you are affecting a woman's free will if you do something to manifest a relationship with her is to believe that there is only one of that woman anywhere in the universe...just one...when many scientists are saying is that all you would be doing is just switching to a reality where you and ANOTHER COPY of that woman have a relationship.

So you are not really manipulating anyone because there are infinite realities and you having that woman is in one of those realities. Oppressing her free will would only count if there was only one reality and only one of her.

But you doing things to manifest a relationship with her is just you changing your vibration to become a vibrational match of the reality which has you and her in a relationship. Is that really oppressing her free will or you just switching time lines?

This is all very complicated.

I think you are seriously misunderstanding a few things.

First, what "modern science" says is hardly a valid proof that it is correct. If you look at the history of "modern science" (merely a few hundred years old by now), you will find that it follows a predictable pattern that goes like this:

1. "That's preposterous, hahaha!"
2. "That's impossible."
3. "I refuse to believe that... is true."
4. "Maybe ... is true?"
5. "What are you talking about? I knew all along that ... was true, but this new idea that challenges it, that's preposterous, hahaha!"

Pretty much everything they "knew to be fact" at one time has been since either "proven to be false" or replaced with something that makes it "no longer valid".

Secondly, you're misunderstanding the idea of infinite universes. I happen to believe that we do live in a "reality" in which all possibilities exist simultaneously. But that does not mean that YOU are experiencing and interacting with all of them simultaneously.

You cannot say, "Well, in the reality I am currently focusing through and experiencing, Jane does not consent to sex with me, but in some other one she does, so I will just manipulate my current reality such that she has sex with me anyway, because in some other reality she would have done so voluntarily." Faulty logic: in this reality, which is what you are focusing through and experiencing, unless she consents to sex with you, she has not consented to sex with you.

Therefore, unless you are manifesting yourself into a reality in which she does consent to sex with you... which is not the same as manifesting sex with her... you are very likely violating her free will by manipulating the circumstances surrounding her options and probability lines to force an experience she did not consent to.

The only way to prevent this possibility is to specify that you want to manifest sex with the ideal option for whatever kind of sex, and whatever kind of option. This always selects someone who is willing, and therefore, it is always consensual.

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Today, 08:51 AM
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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 2
(Today 12:10 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:51 PM)LeonidasXVI Wrote:  As far free will goes, there's a hole in your logic. If it's okay to manifest a woman in which her free will is bypassed but let's say free will doesn't exist because of infinite realities. In that case, it is equally okay to rape a woman or go murder someone. Because, well, infinite realities.
This is where it gets confusing..

Yes of course it's wrong to force someone to do anything against their will i'm not disputing that.

But what if the act of manifestation where things happens in the invisible world where you don't actually put your hands on anybody and force anybody...what if that is just you changing your vibration to that of what you want which is in another parallel reality already?

In such a case, it would not be violating free will. You would be shifting to experience the reality in which consent was implicit. But you don't know that that is what is happening, unless you do not specify who specifically is being affected by the manifestation, which can be gotten around by getting that specific person;s consent before the manifestation effort is enacted.

Quote:On one hand we have the act of forcing someone through physical means in our 3d world which would break their free will.

On the other we have the act of trying to manifest a relationship with someone and just using our energy (thoughts etc). We do the work in our 3d world as invisible energies do their thing on the invisible world.

Again... you can only know for sure that you did not violate free will by:
1. Not specifying a person, or
2. Specifying someone from whom you have the explicit consent to perform such a manifestation.

Quote:LET'S SAY WE ARE TRYING TO MANIFEST A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CRUSH

If scientists are correct than there are unlimited copies of that woman so you are not breaking her free will trying to manifest a relationship with her. You are just moving to a reality where you are her lover already.

Proof, please. No proof? Well I guess that leaves us right back where we started: you may be violating her free will, which makes it unacceptable. You are assuming the truth of something that you cannot know to be true, and cannot prove to be true. It could just as well be that you are violating her free will.

Quote:If scientists are wrong that means there is only 1 of that woman ANYWHERE so thus you would be breaking her free will trying to manifest a relationship with her.

This is a logical fallacy. You assume that there is no other option between "scientists are right" and "scientists are wrong", when in fact scientists are never 100% right or wrong... they are always learning what is true and adjusting for it.

Quote:BTW if anyone wants to learn more about this go on youtube and look for BASHAR videos. He explains it much better than I do.

According to Bashar if you can imagine it it's because it already exists in another timeline. Your physical mind does not have the capability to imagine the impossible. So if you can imagine yourself driving a ferrari with a 10... if you can imagine it there is a version of you that is wildly successful who owns a ferrari and has a 10 as a gf. According to him whatever you want is a matter of changing your vibration to match that of what you want and the key is to feel as if you already have it. Of course it doesn't manifest instantaneously and exactly like you imagine it but it's a process.

If you follow Bashar's logic Shannon is changing our vibration and taking us to a parallel timeline where we are more successful with women. While in another time line there is another copy of you who never even found Shannon's subliminals (or he might not even exist). This is just to give you an example.

Infinite probabilities. But anyway these are my replies in regards to breaking someone's free will. And even though I have successfully manifested many women through the law of attraction and journaling I have yet to make a specific target fall for me through LOA tactics. I don't advise it it takes a lot of work and frankly it's not worth it when the universe is already willing and able to give you whatever type of woman you want if you ask for it.

The key point is...

You cannot specify a specific person have any given relationship with you, or do anything else for that matter, without potentially taking their free will out of the equation. That point still stands, and is still valid and accurate.

This is something I have studied extensively for more than two decades, and I have been on both sides of the fence with manifesting specific people and "ideal" options. I am not just speaking out my butt here, I know from decades of study and first hand experience (and lost of it) what I am talking about.

You must have the person's conscious consent to manipulate their reality before you are free to manifest anything involving them directly or you are very likely violating their free will.

This is even true of healing. Healing someone without their consent is still a damaging act, in it's own way. That's how important free will is.

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