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I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
09-14-2014, 01:09 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2014 11:35 AM by zen.)
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I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
I am towards the end of stage 2 of AM5 4G and I've already lost my virginity - honestly, the biggest stress in my life.

Before I give more details, I have to say that I ran AM5 twice in the past but I didn't continue it after stage 4 due to emotional storm. But, I saw the same patterns
- during the first run, the sub manifested a girl with whom I almost ended to have sex but I refused as I wasn't attracted at all.
- during the second run, the sub manifested the girl with whom I had sex two days ago. I could have sex with her in February this year, but I was too "chicken." - the reason for ending the second run of AM5 at the 4th stage.

Anyhow, the sex was good, it happened 3 times this week and every time she had orgasm with me. I am not a good looking guy but she told me she was attracted to me because I made her laugh when we met for the first time in a social gathering - and normally I am way too serious.

Along with this 3rd run of AM5, I took the following actions:
- I stopped watching porn and masturbating - the biggest shit ever which ruined my sexual performance. EDIT: the biggest shit ever was watching porn and masturbating for many years - this ruined my sexual performance.
- I did PSTEC every day - this technique is pure magic. For me, AM sub is the inner coach and PSTEC is the garbage releasing accelerator.
- I visualized myself how I will write a testimonial in this forum with the title "I lost my virginity with AM5."

The sex was good, I like the girl very much but she is not interested in me or in having a relationship with me. It just happened because she wanted so. Like every woman who wants something from a man, she took the initiative and I took the action afterwards.

I am deeply impressed by Shannon's work and how powerful this sub is, if used correctly and according to your personal circumstance and level of development. Honestly, I am not searching to be an Alpha. Instead, I am searching to become the best version of myself.

As I was contemplating what to do after AM5, I realized that it's not worth the effort of running SM or WM and becoming better with women. Instead, the best option for me according to my desires is running for the following years BASE 5G. Better to HAVE MONEY and SPEND MONEY than chasing chicks with NO MONEY (no status, no opportunities etc.).

In the end, even though AM5 is in 4G and it's out of the shop, it's an extremely powerful sub. Therefore, I highly recommend to anyone to try AM6 5G. It can make miracles with your life.

Thank you Shannon!
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09-14-2014, 02:07 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Congratulations, man!

“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
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09-14-2014, 04:19 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Definitely congratulations.
I also as a woman here want to applaud you for NOT having sex with a woman you were not attracted to. I'd hate to think that any of the guys I have had sex with in my life was not physically attracted to me and I'd rather NOT have sex with someone like that.
I also wonder if doing some of the self esteem ones, or if there are still some on liking yourself more might also help. Maybe some women WOULD consider you good looking.
I am doing BASE too, but I need to be more consistent with it. I listened last night though and I will build this up.
I can easily attract sex with good looking men but I desperately want more romance in my life as I am half sexual and half romantic, I guess and for me I need both. (Honestly, sometimes I think if blokes offered women more actual dates you'd all get laid more often, but it's no guarantee, that's true.)
And when I am ready a relationship, but not yet. I hope to god I can find some subs to help ME get what I want there. Maybe the Alpha Female which I will get as soon as I can afford it.
But yeah, back to what I said. I used to think because I was not blonde with huge titties and skinny body that no guy would like me but that's just not true, some guys find me very attractive and I am sure it is the same for you. So stop telling yourself you are not attractive!
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09-14-2014, 06:45 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Thanks a lot!

@Athena:
Personally, I am not interested in quantity, but in quality. The first girl manifested by AM5 with whom I didn't want to have sex was very interested in me. She invited me to several parties, social gatherings and I went with her because she is a funny person. But physically she didn't turn me on although her body is ok (let's say a 7), with really big tits. I am not a picky person, but if I like a girl/woman, it needs to be both emotionally and physically.

With the woman I had sex this week, her body is nice (an 8) with medium to small tits. And I loved them. She told me that for her the romantic part and prelude are not important and she wants just quick sex most of the time. However, she enjoyed so much the massage I gave her (although I didn't do it before in my life) and the way I kissed her body (all her body - that's why it's important for me to feel strong attraction) that last time we had sex, the massage + prelude lasted almost 3 hours and she enjoyed every second of it.

Still, it's time to move on with AM5 towards the end of it (this time I am 100% committed) and to continue pursuing my dreams which are not related to women at all. And I can't wait to start BASE 5G in February next year!
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09-14-2014, 08:48 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Also want to say congrats for taking step forwards! You mentioned that stopping masturbation and porn killed your sexual performance. This is a problem I have yet to solve also. I realize that not expending your sexual energy leads to growth but when it's time to have a partner what are you suppose to do, she probably not gonna be happy if your out of practice. Sad I think it's great that you don't necessary care about becoming an alpha and you just want to be the best version of your self. Everybody has different personalities and roles we are not all suppose to conform to a set way. Anyways wish you luck on your 3rd run. Smile

Some of the best days of your life haven't happened yet.

You have been criticizing yourself for years, and it hasn't worked. Try approving of yourself and see what happens.

Do you want to get better or do you just want to end the suffering?
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09-14-2014, 11:50 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2014 12:17 PM by zen.)
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Thanks Tao!

English is not my native language and I think I made a mistake - I didn't want to say that stopping porn and masturbation ruined my sexual performance (the initial post is now edited with this mention).

Watching porn and masturbating It ruined my sexual performance because it distorted the reality of how a woman really is, how it is to be in bed with her, how mistakes can happen in bed, you will not be perfect every time, sex will not be perfect every time etc.

With the girl with whom I lost my virginity, my sexual performance was kind of weak because:
- I was extremely physically and emotionally tired. We went to a holiday which involved walking more than 100 km for 8 days. The first time we had sex I could barely got excited although she is very attractive and she was all naked in front of me. The 3rd time is was a little better as we didn't walk so much for the last days of the trip.
- I had premature ejaculation due to compulsory masturbation for several years. I was such an idiot! Now, I have to invest 30 min per day with Kegel exercises and other stuff to recover my muscles.

Despite that, she was kind and supportive. She just wanted to have fun and didn't expect me to act as a porn star. I told her from the beginning that it might be possible that I will not perform in bed with her and she understood me.

Form my personal experience so far, I think that when you stop FAPping for good, your personal presence, sexual energy increases. Also, if you stop having sexual fantasies with women and move on with you life in terms of goals you will end up attracting a woman / women - depending on how evolved you are, of course.
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09-14-2014, 03:49 PM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
how old are you zen?
Good job amigo, i hope i can get results from the PE sub i'm using and lose my chastity as well.
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09-14-2014, 04:32 PM
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Ok my mistake, I was wondering if that was what you really meant. I'm going to look into Kegel.

Some of the best days of your life haven't happened yet.

You have been criticizing yourself for years, and it hasn't worked. Try approving of yourself and see what happens.

Do you want to get better or do you just want to end the suffering?
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09-14-2014, 05:08 PM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Nice results man.. I know how good I felt when I first lost my virginity.

A funny thing that I noticed and I also asked my friend and he felt the same.. the next day I was walking around the street actually thinking "I wonder if anyone notices I had sex last night". Hahaha.

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09-15-2014, 02:48 AM
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Congratulations.Please finish all 6 stages.It's important.
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09-15-2014, 04:53 AM (This post was last modified: 09-15-2014 04:56 AM by woodman.)
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@ Zen.. congrats!
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01-01-2015, 01:59 PM
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This evening I will start the 6th Stage! Excited and exciting!
At the end, I will post the final review!
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01-07-2015, 01:18 PM
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Awesome choice Zen,
I just got myself AM6 and I hope to follow it with BASE.
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01-31-2015, 08:56 PM
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What is BASE?
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01-31-2015, 10:27 PM
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Become a successful entrepreneur.

-Ben
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02-01-2015, 04:19 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
FINAL REVIEW

6 Months of AM5 and a strong commitment that I didn't follow in my entire life with such an intensity.

Did my life change after those months? Yes and No!
- on the surface, there are not obvious changes - I am in the same place, in the same shitty company that I hate more and more, surrounded by the same colleagues with whom (with some exceptions) I don't socialize as I don't want to, with the same small number of friends, with the same finances (that are not very encouraging), with the same physical body (that needs to be seriously stronger), with the same wardrobe (that needs to be changed) etc.
- inside, YES - there are many changes - some of them are obvious, some are in the beginnings. The seed was planted and I am waiting for it to grow.

Let's start with what happened during this 6 months period:
- I lost my virginity - my biggest issue of 2014 if I recall. It was a pleasant experience.
- I earned my first money ever with my own efforts - $ 333 to me precise. I started an info product activity. This is not much, of course, but it's a good start. The official start was at the end of November, but the strategy and thinking started in July. I almost cried when I had the first student who paid for my course. It's a question of perseverance and good marketing to move these figures to 4-5 digits.
- I am open to use my real name/profile/picture in promoting my courses. I remember I had a strong inner debate as I didn't have the courage to expose myself.
- I am more and more aggressive to bullsh*t, to people manipulations.
- I ended some relationships with "friends" and it was a good decision.
- My productivity increased a lot - still, it's not at the level I would like it to be, but it's higher than when I started AM training.
- Since January I am no longer watching / reading anything related to news, mass-media. It's just manipulation. Last Friday I opened some online newspapers and I laughed Smile)
- I still use facebook but on a business sense as I will run some facebook ads in the near future. Otherwise, I am not interested much in what others are doing. From time to time I am opening some profiles, but not for a long time.
- I read few and few blogs - only the ones that truly matter. Before AM I read almost every sh*tty post/blog/blogger.
- I am respecting more and more those who made money. I don't judge the way they did it (it's their problem in the end).
- I tend to judge less and less people and specific situations. I am telling to myself that I don't have all the information and it's better to stop with the over-thinking. Unfortunately, I am not doing this every time as I am a very impatient/impulsive character, but this mind-shift is a big thing for me.
- did I tell you that I am not interested in the others' opinions - in general and in particular? E.g., I am in Toastmasters and I am preparing a speech for the up-coming competition. I refused to prepare it with others in group as I didn't like the superior attitude of a coach. I know I am smart enough to write/prepare a very good speech and I will do everything possible from my side to win.
- related to the previous point, I am reading less and less this forum.
- my body language improved - I stand and walk straight, and my voice became deeper and stronger (I am doing also vocal exercises for my competition speech).
- I am taking care of my health - during these months I did regular examinations - everything went fine.
- I am taking care of my face and hair as I have a very sensible skin because of the water it's used. Once my finances will be in good shape I will go to a cosmetic saloon and to a hairstylist.
- I am more aware that my days are passing and I have to make the most out of them.
- I have a strong sense of urgency.
- I had periods in Dec when I almost "died" - too many tasks to do at work and for my personal activity.
- often than before I am speaking calmer and stronger (if I am not stressed, sick, tired, nervous).
- I give money to charity on a regular level (I give around $30/month, but I want to increase it soon to $60).
- if i don't like a social situation, discussion I tend to say stop and leave often than before.
- I don't care much if I am ignored (though I still care, but not as much as before).
- if I did a mistake it's ok and I move on.
- I tend to gossip less but I want to lower it to almost zero gossip.
- during the 3 and 4 stage I had the impression that this program is useless - all the improvement seemed to vanish away, I had strong insomnia, weak inner-self, negative states.
- I stopped with PSTEC & other improvement techniques starting the middle of stage 3. I am using from time to time bwe meditation from a competitor. It was a good decision to stop pstec.
- since Jan I stared to cook and this is a big thing for me.
- regarding fitness, I am doing regular exercises but due to my work activities I have less and less time. Plus, I had a back injury for 3 months.

This is what I recall from doing AM5. Now, I will take every point from the sale page of the program and comment it:

Increased self confidence - yes, but there is a strong room to improve.
Increased self-respect - yes, but thee the next point.
Improved self-control - yes and no. No, because I am still watching porn and masturbate. The longer period I resisted was for 2 months and I felt very good despite the fact that my libido decreased.
Less interest in and concern with what others think of you, your choices or your actions - Yes, that is a big plus.
More interest and comfort in being your own man and doing your own thing - yes
Better self esteem - yes
More positive self-image - yes, but sometimes I still have a negative image of myself in relation to women.
Stronger sense of self - yes
Being able to handle rejection without taking it personally - yes, a girl friend-zoned me recently and it wasn't the end of the world. I wished her good luck and I moved on.
More social confidence - mmm, don't know what to say, but I think it's as before. I am not a social guy, unfortunately and AM didn't helped at all at that.
Less to no social anxiety - see the previous comment
Enjoying socializing more - see the previous comment
Much more confidence and relaxation when dealing with women in general, and especially those you find attractive - see the previous comment and no.
Willingness, confidence and ability to simply walk away from situations you don’t like -YES
Refusal to allow yourself to be taken advantage of, walked on or treated poorly by anyone, but especially women - YES
Alpha/Dominant male body language - don't know what is the standard, but my body language improved.
Alpha/Dominant male attitude - again, don't know what is the standard, but my attitude improved.
Alpha/Dominant male “aura” of unexplainable sexual attractiveness that women love so much - it's related to nofap. Every time I didn't think at women for a longer period of time and I didn't fap women were very attractive to me.
Alpha/Dominant male eye contact and communication - yes and no. The eye contact is ok, stable, series. I still have problems with the communication part.
Better, more easily expressed sense of humor - if I am not stresses, sad I have a good sense of humor.
Enjoying the company of others, and especially beautiful women, more and more comfortably and easily - no, I am an introvert guy. AM didn't help me much with the socialization part
Seeking out beautiful women to enjoy the company of - related to the previous comment. Plus, I don't have a strong "game" to play with women. I am very rockie.
Having beautiful women notice you more, find you more attractive, and want to be with you more, physically, sexually, romantically and emotionally - related to the nofap thing mentioned above.
Treating (and taking) socializing as just a fun game - NO, unfortunately.
Being entirely unconcerned with getting the interest of any woman, because you know there are plenty more where she came from - I am not concerned but I wished I were a more social, easy-going guy.
Refusing to allow females to dominate or control you - YES
Taking care of yourself better, in terms of exercise, eating, hygiene and dress - YES, the dress part needs to improve.
Acceptance of, and feelings of deservedness of, being treated well - yes
Deserving respect from others - yes
Self-love and liking yourself - in general, yes.
Valuing yourself - yes, but with women I think I need to value myself more.
Extended ego balancing - I think my ego skyrocket during the AM training. I ha previously a strong ego, but right now it's unbelievable.
Strong, centered masculinity and masculine presence - my masculine presence needs to be improved.
Destruction of negativity within you concerning yourself and others, and replacement with positivity - the positivity part needs to be stronger as it is now.
Self-acceptance with continual striving to be better than you are - YES
Destruction of laziness - yes, but it's still a big room for improvement
Motivation boost - YES
Doing what needs to be done, because it needs to be done, and that is the way of the Alpha - yes
Extroversion enhancement and training - NO (and I feel sorry for that)
Self-forgiveness - yes
Social stability, skill and strength - NO!
Overcome abandonment issues - didn't have big issues with that before.
Success training - YES
Gratitude - YES, but it started to be in place in the 6th stage. Before, it was exactly the opposite.
Self-trust - yes
See yourself as man, instead of boy - yes, but the man part needs to be improve
Leadership training and development - not so much I must say.
Decisiveness training - yes, I tend to be more decisive. If I catch myself to hesitate I step back.
Authenticity and congruency training - yes, but I didn't have issues before.
Destruction of jealousy and possessiveness, and replacement with self-security, self-reliance and self-satisfaction - the jealousy part decreased but there is a room to improve.
Constant self-growth and progress - yes.


So, that was it - 6 Months of AM5. This is the 3rd attempt (I failed miserably with the previous two) and I consider a success.

What's next? I was thinking at that very seriously for the past weeks. I am not convinced that BASE is the answer right now. I started this business activity, there are many things to learn but I don't think BASE will help me much. So, for the moment BASE is a No.

Attract your Sexual Lover - I was thinking at that sub very seriously as I want to have some fun. I am working very much at my business activity coupled with the work hours. And I need some moments of pleasure (that's why I don't want to start with BASE which will hyper focus my energy only on the business part). This sub could be the answer to my problem.

SM - Definitely no for many reasons.

WM - maybe, but I don't want to focus all my energy on the women side. Again, it's a no.

AM6 - No as well. Too expensive. Better to start with BASE but as I've said I don't think the time is right.

AM5 was a very good experience for the $ 87 I payed for. It added a lot of value into my life and I am thinking seriously to start a second complete run.

I don't know what to choose - Attract your sexual lover for 4 - 5 months (and I am sure that my personal development will increase during this period) or AM5.
What do you think guys?

In the end, Thank You Shannon for your efforts, dedication and honesty. Buying and using this product was a very good decision and it payed off the "effort" of listening (an average of a constant 12/h day exposure throughout each stage).
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02-01-2015, 04:31 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Pick AYP Sexual Lover. For the only reason is giving yourself a gift after SUCCESSFULLY doing AM 5.0 Big Grin
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02-01-2015, 05:39 AM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
I think it determines on what your goals are...

If it's business, money and networking, go BASE (you stated you didn't get much out of the extroversion part, but it could be a time issue - too many goals during first run, maybe?). AM Programs seem to make the user turn inward and change their viewpoint of the world, but is not really focused on relationship skillsets like BASE is.

If money is the issue (run BASE), email customer support regarding a timeline on selling it in stages (I think I read somewhere after about 3 or so months they will begin selling it separate but Shannon had family challenges to attend to...) I remember having some intense discussions with you about running BASE and then using the money to manifest BAMM, but BAMM users seem to be manifesting personal crises using the sub, and we don't know what Shannon's goals are regarding upgrading it.

If it's women/sex, I would go Natural Seduction For Men 5G, as it's a single stage program and you will notice results quickly (5G) and know what it feels like to be a seducer. It should also put you in a more extroverted state. The challenge with Attract Your Perfect....Programs is that as you grow and change, she has to "grow and change with you" unless she is already on the path of self-improvement herself. Plus the time it takes to manifest 4-5 months is almost the same as a six-stage program, and you would be better off running AM5 again or WM. There was a recent testimonial of a guy that said NSFM was his worst sub with a 0/10 rating, but Fonzy said it was one of the best he has ran (along with a journal).

If it's sex alone without committment, I would run Sex Magnet, but this requires a "pick up artist type mentality". In other words, for success it would mean constantly approaching (daily), constantly going to parties (nightly), events, nightclubs, attending social gatherings, etc to get the result, not to mention living in an area with dense/heavy women population and having the finances and energy to sustain it all. That is why we don't see that many "successful" SM stories in the forum. It's not a one-night (seduce) stand type of program, it's a many-night stand type of program and appeals greatly to party-types, self-employed people and college kids/attendees, because of the time/energy/resources needed to manifest all those things.

So the choice is up to you...

You can always run ASC 5G til you decide
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02-02-2015, 09:27 PM
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
Seem to be manifesting personal crises? More like BAMM is a very long term program, and those doing it won't have much to say very often because it's much like climbing stairs in a spiral staircase for a number of years. It's therefore likely that what will be reported is often both achievements and challenges that stand out, and to get to the top of the staircase as quickly as possible, you're probably going to have to grow more quickly than otherwise. It can mean that you have to stop moving at a snail's pace and avoiding things, and instead deal with them. But in a lot of cases I have seen that the majority of the "personal crises" you refer to are nothing to do with BAMM. They would have happened regardless.

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02-03-2015, 01:14 AM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2015 01:18 AM by Ivaylo.)
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RE: I lost my Virginity with AM5 4G
(02-01-2015 04:19 AM)zen Wrote:  Attract your Sexual Lover - I was thinking at that sub very seriously as I want to have some fun. I am working very much at my business activity coupled with the work hours. And I need some moments of pleasure (that's why I don't want to start with BASE which will hyper focus my energy only on the business part). This sub could be the answer to my problem.

In my experience, BASE doesn't force you to focus only on the business part. That's something that I manage to do entirely on my own as a (unsuccessful) way of dealing with anxiety. Smile Right now I'm getting better at using a productivity system and it's much easier to set aside time for other stuff when I know how much time I need for work.
If you truly need pleasure, BASE will move you to get it. If, however, you want an escape from anxiety and negative emotions, then BASE will more likely move you to face and process those.
As Shannon put it, BASE contains all that you need to become an entrepreneur. This includes scripting for going easy on yourself, judging from the list in the big BASE thread. The question is, do you want to become one now, or would you prefer to attract a sexual lover.
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