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10-30-2010, 07:13 PM
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(10-29-2010 10:36 AM)Ryan Wrote:  Yeah don't take melatonin, instead take a serotonin supplement. 5-HTP or another plus fish oil. Should help with the weight loss, headaches and will help you produce more melatonin and shut up excessive mind chatter.

Man, I am learning a lot through this process Smile

That's awesome that you've found things to help you Ryan! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have to try that stuff. How much of it do you have to take, and how long before you started to see a difference using it?
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10-31-2010, 03:23 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2010 03:24 AM by Ryan.)
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I'm not taking it anymore but I was put on anti-depressants to help me through the withdrawals, it's the serotonin that is responsible for managing your thoughts, mood, and melotonin -> sleep cycle Smile You definitely don't want to get hooked on some sleeping pill! Not sure how long it will take, there is a supplement, L-Tryptophan which is supposed to be more effective it's a little more expensive though, you can find at any vitamin shop, just don't over-do it.

http://www.raysahelian.com/tryptophan.html
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10-31-2010, 05:35 AM
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(10-29-2010 01:48 PM)ronatello Wrote:  I've had some nasty experiences with melatonin when trying to "cure" my insomnia a while back. It made me feel even more groggy the next day, along with more negative thinking and when I stopped taking melatonin, it made for a couple of nights of crappy sleep ( I call that rebound effect).
@ Ryan, where is 5-HTP obtained? Health food stores?

I've got the same problem with melatonin, the only thing I couldn't wrap my head around is that it's a natural chemical that already is being produced in the brain. Turns out that after taking melatonin you're starting to activate the pineal gland again to make more melatonin, which takes in serotonin to naturally produce the melatonin, hence why you feeling pretty much like arse the day after. But this should pass after you take melatonin on a regular basis.

Even with the risk of feeling like ****, I'm going to get some melatonin capsules soon to test it out again.

@Jackie

Great to hear that you're able to sleep well on your own strength, and I will definitely try out the beta waves in the morning. Great tip!

I was familiar with the thousand negative thoughts per day, I had the same told to me at an extracurricular course which had a stroke of NLP running through it, it was a great intro, but too bad he didn't tell us how to properly handle those thoughts throughout the course...

I also have used A.N.T.'s (Automatic Negative Thoughts) in the past when I still was seeing a psychologist, but wasn't something I looked forward on doing since it's pretty hard for me to write down my emotions, and every sentence I made wasn't good enough at describing it etc. (i.e. perfectionism).

One thing I have been trying out for the last few days is doing 'Morning Pages', which is basically outputting all your current thoughts on paper or a word document for three pages (I'm just doing one for starters) after waking up without holding anything back, and it's pretty funny re-reading it just to see incredibly impulsive and random your mind gets, along with how much of a class A arsehole you can be to yourself.

Even though it's been only a few days now, I can notice a small decline in negative sentences/phrases and probably since I've become more aware of it, but then again it could also be the sub improving my inner dialogue. Who knows, I will continue doing it nonetheless.
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10-31-2010, 08:02 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2010 08:08 AM by Ryan.)
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Another tea/supplement which is extremely effective is Valerian Root, the best thing is that you can't become dependent on it and most don't have any side effects with it plus it helps with anxiety/depression if taken regularly. I used it during my withdrawals but my anxiety was sky rocket high that I couldn't fall asleep, even though it made me extremely tired... Shouldn't make you feel like shit in the morning either. I found capsules for 7.99 at Walgreens with Calming Blend, which has Passion Flower and Lemon Balm, should relax your mind pretty quickly. I read it could take about 2-3 days before it fully kicks in.
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11-01-2010, 07:22 PM
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Melatonin is the panacea for me, it is the dosing that that was touchy for me-too much and your wide awake at 3:30 A.M. Otherwise, its great for me, especially knowing it is a super powerful anti-oxidant doesn't hurt either. One curious thing I learned which I can't back up with research is that taking it during the day time can be carcinogenic, so whether that means no more cherry juice I don't know, but I have no reason to use it during daylight.
L-Tryptophan is very good for a variety reasons, one good reason is because it was discontinued from US markets years ago on some bogus reason, but the real reason I suspect is it's efficacy.
I have no affiliation but if you want really fast delivery, inexpensive and quality choices look to Swanson's in the great state of ND.
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11-03-2010, 04:29 PM
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I had no idea melatonin was an anti-oxidant, that's great! I love the stuff, but you're right, it's hard to get just the right dose. My sleep still isn't perfect, but at least that and the aid help get me to sleep....I just can't always STAY asleep! lol.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. It's really helpful hearing other ideas and experiences that I wouldn't otherwise think about.
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11-03-2010, 04:51 PM
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Probably because we want you to have a good night sleep and be all "bright-eyed and bush tailed".
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11-30-2010, 02:22 PM
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Another update I forgot to mention that's pretty cool if you ask me: Back in October my boyfriend took me to meet his whole family in cali. His stepmother suffers from MS, and is on lots of different meds to help her with pain, and she also has to take ambien so she can sleep. She hasn't been able to sleep with out Ambien for a long time. I had my copy of the sleep aid, which I told her about and she was immediately interested in trying it. Anything to help her get off meds, is what she said. So, we set her up one night with the sleep aid playing, and she told me the next day that she had actually slept the whole night, hadn't woken up once, and actually felt rested in the morning! I told her about the site, so I hope she'll consider buying a copy of her own, but I just wanted to share that.
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10-12-2011, 06:31 PM
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I suffer with insomnia often and I refuse to take any form of medication for it. Mainly because latest research shows that sleeping tablets prescribed by the doctor, although help you to dose off, they do not give your body enough of the "right" sort of sleep, so you are no better off.

Here are a few things that I have tried, and although they have not worked all the time, they have certainly improved my chases of a good nights sleep:

1. After some research into it, I learnt that it is best to separate your waking life from your sleeping life... what I mean is, your bedroom is a place of rest and so there shuld be no associations in it that involve activity, such as a television or a work desk.. It is supposed to be a sort of trigger where your mind automatically calms and relaxes when you enter your bedroom..

2. Don't eat or exercise several hours before going to bed

3. A nice warm bath before bedtime is a great way to relax the muscles and relieve tension if you are feeling particularly stressed one day. And we all what mess stress can do to us.

Hope that helps.
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09-20-2016, 06:47 AM
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This is an interesting thread, but I note the last post was pre 2012.. any updates to the Deep Sleep Insomnia Aid?
Is an update necessary?

A new love interest of mine called me around 4AM, she struggles with insomnia, so I'm considering getting this for her.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
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09-23-2016, 07:25 AM (This post was last modified: 09-23-2016 07:32 AM by Dr. Strangelove.)
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(09-20-2016 06:47 AM)Rainmak3r Wrote:  This is an interesting thread, but I note the last post was pre 2012.. any updates to the Deep Sleep Insomnia Aid?
Is an update necessary?

A new love interest of mine called me around 4AM, she struggles with insomnia, so I'm considering getting this for her.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

I have had insomnia since I was a kid. I remember that a few times I'd see dawn breaking before I'd fall asleep. It's gotten better over the years, still I routinely count 2 or 3 hrs every night awake in bed. My obsession to over-analyse things has probably stemmed from my nocturnal curse.

A few things that help - chamomile tea; lavender scent; meditation or prayer; and, the most effective for me, binaural beats. And only of delta frequency. I've tried them all; theta is effective (less than delta) but gave me weird intense dreams; the rest (alpha, beta, gamma) were only useful during day.

I haven't used subliminals for insomnia; I was unaware of them until recently and AM6 is the first one I've started using.

I stopped using binaurals since I got onto AM6, and AM6 has a lot of positive effects in areas that I used faster binaurals for. I have done my homework and as far as AM6 goes, for my purpose, I am better off using it by itself alone.

Hope this helps. Cheers & good luck.

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