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B2 First Attempt
08-07-2013, 03:27 AM
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B2 First Attempt
Here is what I experienced during my first exposure to B2:

What length of time were you exposed?
1 Hour

Did you use it on speakers or headphones?
Headphones

Were you alone or with others?
Alone

How long did the effects seem to last after you stopped exposure?

Hard to say exactly because I eventually fell asleep. The effects lasted easily over an hour at least.

How long did it take to start noticing results?

I started feeling effects about 15 minutes in.

What did the program feel like to you?

Very intense. My entire body went completely numb but my mind remained completely awake and alert. Mind awake, body asleep is how I would describe it. Felt very relaxed and tranced out. This was a wonderful feeling for me, as someone who suffers from a bad anxiety condition. I felt no anxiety at all to put it mildly!

What level of intensity did you experience concerning the effects of the program?

As described above, it was very intense. I think, however, I might have taken away from the effects a bit, because I kept thinking about what I was going to write here about how I was feeling lol I think it will only get better as I learn to let go more and not resist.

How frequently did you dose yourself?
Only once so far

Did the effects change over time, or remain consistent?

The effects for me became for intense as time went on. I did have trouble falling asleep and also woke up earlier then I normally do. That would be a undesirable effect for me. I hope, as I continue the program this will subside.

Thanks Shannon for allowing us to test B2. It has been a awesome experience so far and I look forward to many more! I do have a question though. Can we play another sub right after we are done listening to B2? I don't want to take away from my normal sub time.

Thanks
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08-07-2013, 07:27 AM
Post: #2
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 03:27 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  Here is what I experienced during my first exposure to B2:

What length of time were you exposed?
1 Hour

Did you use it on speakers or headphones?
Headphones

Were you alone or with others?
Alone

How long did the effects seem to last after you stopped exposure?

Hard to say exactly because I eventually fell asleep. The effects lasted easily over an hour at least.

How long did it take to start noticing results?

I started feeling effects about 15 minutes in.

What did the program feel like to you?

Very intense. My entire body went completely numb but my mind remained completely awake and alert. Mind awake, body asleep is how I would describe it. Felt very relaxed and tranced out. This was a wonderful feeling for me, as someone who suffers from a bad anxiety condition. I felt no anxiety at all to put it mildly!

What level of intensity did you experience concerning the effects of the program?

As described above, it was very intense. I think, however, I might have taken away from the effects a bit, because I kept thinking about what I was going to write here about how I was feeling lol I think it will only get better as I learn to let go more and not resist.

How frequently did you dose yourself?
Only once so far

Did the effects change over time, or remain consistent?

The effects for me became for intense as time went on. I did have trouble falling asleep and also woke up earlier then I normally do. That would be a undesirable effect for me. I hope, as I continue the program this will subside.

Thanks Shannon for allowing us to test B2. It has been a awesome experience so far and I look forward to many more! I do have a question though. Can we play another sub right after we are done listening to B2? I don't want to take away from my normal sub time.

Thanks
Reno

Very Cool! Thanks for sharing.. I look forward to giving this a go this weekend and reporting my experiences..
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08-07-2013, 07:35 AM
Post: #3
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 07:27 AM)Mz. Gem Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 03:27 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  Here is what I experienced during my first exposure to B2:

What length of time were you exposed?
1 Hour

Did you use it on speakers or headphones?
Headphones

Were you alone or with others?
Alone

How long did the effects seem to last after you stopped exposure?

Hard to say exactly because I eventually fell asleep. The effects lasted easily over an hour at least.

How long did it take to start noticing results?

I started feeling effects about 15 minutes in.

What did the program feel like to you?

Very intense. My entire body went completely numb but my mind remained completely awake and alert. Mind awake, body asleep is how I would describe it. Felt very relaxed and tranced out. This was a wonderful feeling for me, as someone who suffers from a bad anxiety condition. I felt no anxiety at all to put it mildly!

What level of intensity did you experience concerning the effects of the program?

As described above, it was very intense. I think, however, I might have taken away from the effects a bit, because I kept thinking about what I was going to write here about how I was feeling lol I think it will only get better as I learn to let go more and not resist.

How frequently did you dose yourself?
Only once so far

Did the effects change over time, or remain consistent?

The effects for me became for intense as time went on. I did have trouble falling asleep and also woke up earlier then I normally do. That would be a undesirable effect for me. I hope, as I continue the program this will subside.

Thanks Shannon for allowing us to test B2. It has been a awesome experience so far and I look forward to many more! I do have a question though. Can we play another sub right after we are done listening to B2? I don't want to take away from my normal sub time.

Thanks
Reno

Very Cool! Thanks for sharing.. I look forward to giving this a go this weekend and reporting my experiences..

No problem Mz. Gem. I am looking forward to hearing your experience as well.
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08-07-2013, 09:42 AM
Post: #4
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 03:27 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  Can we play another sub right after we are done listening to B2? I don't want to take away from my normal sub time.

I'm listening to B2 as I write this so I'll have my own review later.

As I know nothing about how Shannon has scripted B2, I can only comment about drugs and subliminals from a more classic perspective (as in a night out with your mates).

Dr. Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson are great enthusiasts of 'reimprinting'. This involves taking a load of drugs (LSD for example), and then exposing your mind to positive things.

The theory behind this is that the subconscious is more easily influenced when under the influence, aswell as in a deeply relaxed state like hypnosis.

If we take that line of thinking to it's logical conclusion, B2 should actually enhance the effects of other subs.

Though, as I said, I don't know how Shannon scripted B2 so he'll be the one with a definitive answer for you.
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08-07-2013, 10:21 AM
Post: #5
RE: B2 First Attempt
I'm not noticing anything after one and a half hours, except being tired. Makes me wonder how effective the Alpha Male program or others really are or "if it's just placebo".
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08-07-2013, 10:39 AM
Post: #6
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 09:42 AM)n0ddy Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 03:27 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  Can we play another sub right after we are done listening to B2? I don't want to take away from my normal sub time.

I'm listening to B2 as I write this so I'll have my own review later.

As I know nothing about how Shannon has scripted B2, I can only comment about drugs and subliminals from a more classic perspective (as in a night out with your mates).

Dr. Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson are great enthusiasts of 'reimprinting'. This involves taking a load of drugs (LSD for example), and then exposing your mind to positive things.

The theory behind this is that the subconscious is more easily influenced when under the influence, aswell as in a deeply relaxed state like hypnosis.

If we take that line of thinking to it's logical conclusion, B2 should actually enhance the effects of other subs.

Though, as I said, I don't know how Shannon scripted B2 so he'll be the one with a definitive answer for you.

As I think about it I believe I did see mention on a forum post about B2 enhancing other subs that you use. That would be a great side effect for sure. We will see how it goes. I think I will skip the LSD and stick with the B2 however! lol
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08-07-2013, 10:47 AM
Post: #7
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 10:21 AM)thursday Wrote:  I'm not noticing anything after one and a half hours, except being tired. Makes me wonder how effective the Alpha Male program or others really are or "if it's just placebo".

As I understand it, if you are not feeling effects it could be do to resistance of the sub. As far as it being placebo effect I can only say, from my own experience, that I have had negative effects from a sub, when I first started it, I felt a lot of anger. This I am told is also do to me resisting the effects of the sub or the sub clearing out my resistance to certain issues. These are just my opinions of course and Shannon would certainly be the person to clarify the issue.

I hope I was able to help in some small way. Thanks for the reply!
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08-07-2013, 11:56 AM
Post: #8
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 10:39 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  I think I will skip the LSD and stick with the B2 however! lol

Me too Big Grin
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08-07-2013, 12:30 PM
Post: #9
RE: B2 First Attempt
Nobody ever said that B2 would enhance the effects of other subs.

thursday said:

Quote:I'm not noticing anything after one and a half hours, except being tired. Makes me wonder how effective the Alpha Male program or others really are or "if it's just placebo".

Let's consider this logically, shall we?

You are testing a NEW TECHNOLOGY in these digital drugs. AM does not have untested technology in it.

You are testing a program designed to kick in and produce full effects within minutes or hours. AM is designed to require SIX MONTHS to achieve its goals.

How can you possibly even wonder things like that? It's comparing apples to cockroaches, man!

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08-07-2013, 12:49 PM
Post: #10
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 12:30 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Nobody ever said that B2 would enhance the effects of other subs.

My apologies Shannon, I must have misinterpreted what I read. Thanks for the clarification.

thursday said:

Quote:I'm not noticing anything after one and a half hours, except being tired. Makes me wonder how effective the Alpha Male program or others really are or "if it's just placebo".

Let's consider this logically, shall we?

You are testing a NEW TECHNOLOGY in these digital drugs. AM does not have untested technology in it.

You are testing a program designed to kick in and produce full effects within minutes or hours. AM is designed to require SIX MONTHS to achieve its goals.

How can you possibly even wonder things like that? It's comparing apples to cockroaches, man!
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08-07-2013, 07:26 PM
Post: #11
RE: B2 First Attempt
Did you have a reply?

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08-08-2013, 02:44 AM (This post was last modified: 08-08-2013 02:50 AM by thursday.)
Post: #12
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 12:30 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Nobody ever said that B2 would enhance the effects of other subs.

thursday said:

Quote:I'm not noticing anything after one and a half hours, except being tired. Makes me wonder how effective the Alpha Male program or others really are or "if it's just placebo".

Let's consider this logically, shall we?

You are testing a NEW TECHNOLOGY in these digital drugs. AM does not have untested technology in it.

You are testing a program designed to kick in and produce full effects within minutes or hours. AM is designed to require SIX MONTHS to achieve its goals.

How can you possibly even wonder things like that? It's comparing apples to cockroaches, man!

Because I'm noticing effects from the Alpha Male program, which is indeed 6 months and I already get effects in a few days.

While B2 is new technology, it is 5G and it does specify to get results within minutes or hours, which I did not get.

Shouldn't I logically get better results with something that's supposed to work in a few hours compared to something that goes for 6 months?

I do keep in mind it's new technology, but for some reason (that I have reversed results) I start to doubt my success with the Alpha Male program, wondering if it's really happening because of the subs. I fear I will only allow some success and then plateau or revert back to normal (because I'm that stubborn sometimes). I shouldn't doubt anything and just trust it's happening, doesn't matter if it's because of the subs or because of other things or just because it's my normal learning curve in life.

Maybe I'm just more compatible with the Alpha Male program and my body/mind won't allow druglike effects for now. Or my English is not good enough, maybe I don't understand some words in the script? Same goes for Alpha Male script.. What if I don't understand some words? I don't think the script can be viewed by anyone?

Either way Shannon, things are going rather well, so thanks for these things!
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08-08-2013, 03:04 AM
Post: #13
RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-07-2013 07:26 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Did you have a reply?

Sorry, I put my reply in the quoted text by accident.

My apologies for thinking that B2 may have enhancing effects on other subs, I must have misinterpreted what I read somewhere. For clarification though, is it ok to listen to B2 and then immediately resume my regular sub that I listen to daily?
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08-08-2013, 11:13 AM
Post: #14
RE: B2 First Attempt
Quote:Because I'm noticing effects from the Alpha Male program, which is indeed 6 months and I already get effects in a few days.

While B2 is new technology, it is 5G and it does specify to get results within minutes or hours, which I did not get.

Shouldn't I logically get better results with something that's supposed to work in a few hours compared to something that goes for 6 months?

Your logic is a bit skewed here. If I was finished testing and learning how to implement the new technology, it might make a little more sense. But even then, it makes no sense to doubt AM because a digital drug happened to get resisted.

B2 is uncharted waters, and has been tested by me, and a handful of other people so far with that and the models showing good enough results that we decided to release it for Tier 3 testing. We had only tested it on a handful of people before release. That's not going to tell is if it will be resisted, or by how much, or if it's amplified enough, or if the script needs to be changed to allow people to get the effects in comapny, or any of a lot of things. It has nothing to do with AM's effectiveness if an extremely experimental new program doesn't produce good results. It just means we need to tweak it still. You've heard of beta testing? This is beta testing. Alpha Male is definitely not beta test material.

Quote:I do keep in mind it's new technology, but for some reason (that I have reversed results) I start to doubt my success with the Alpha Male program, wondering if it's really happening because of the subs. I fear I will only allow some success and then plateau or revert back to normal (because I'm that stubborn sometimes). I shouldn't doubt anything and just trust it's happening, doesn't matter if it's because of the subs or because of other things or just because it's my normal learning curve in life.

The reasons for your failure to get results with B2 have nothing to do with Alpha Male. Your testing is helping me learn how to script these for maximum results. Fears are irrational, and so too are the conclusions they lead us to concerning what we fear.

Quote:Maybe I'm just more compatible with the Alpha Male program and my body/mind won't allow druglike effects for now. Or my English is not good enough, maybe I don't understand some words in the script? Same goes for Alpha Male script.. What if I don't understand some words? I don't think the script can be viewed by anyone?

Your English is fine. You understand the words. In the case of the digital drug, if you resist it enough that you don't get results, it will be for reasons that are internal, and does not really reflect on the digital drug so much as some of the particulars of the script not being fully optimized yet. Remember, this is B2, and the first digital subliminal drug that I have ever created which gave results at all. We are discovering how this script affects people, so I can reverse engineer that and figure out what needs to be improved.

Quote:Either way Shannon, things are going rather well, so thanks for these things!

This confuses me. All those fears, but things are going rather well? I don't get it.

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08-08-2013, 11:15 AM (This post was last modified: 08-08-2013 11:17 AM by Shannon.)
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RE: B2 First Attempt
(08-08-2013 03:04 AM)reno3371 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:26 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Did you have a reply?

Sorry, I put my reply in the quoted text by accident.

My apologies for thinking that B2 may have enhancing effects on other subs, I must have misinterpreted what I read somewhere. For clarification though, is it ok to listen to B2 and then immediately resume my regular sub that I listen to daily?

Apologies are not necessary, I just wanted to clarify.

You can resume your normal sub after an hour.

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08-08-2013, 11:45 AM
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RE: B2 First Attempt
What do you not "get" Shannon? It feels like you're talking down on me. Hope you're not, for the sake of me looping your subs/energies every night for the coming 6 months. Yes, things are going well, I'm progressing. I'm noticing increases in confidence and socializing, it's quite obvious. So, thanks for that. That's all. I'll try B2 again some time soon.

(08-08-2013 11:13 AM)Shannon Wrote:  
Quote:Because I'm noticing effects from the Alpha Male program, which is indeed 6 months and I already get effects in a few days.

While B2 is new technology, it is 5G and it does specify to get results within minutes or hours, which I did not get.

Shouldn't I logically get better results with something that's supposed to work in a few hours compared to something that goes for 6 months?

Your logic is a bit skewed here. If I was finished testing and learning how to implement the new technology, it might make a little more sense. But even then, it makes no sense to doubt AM because a digital drug happened to get resisted.

B2 is uncharted waters, and has been tested by me, and a handful of other people so far with that and the models showing good enough results that we decided to release it for Tier 3 testing. We had only tested it on a handful of people before release. That's not going to tell is if it will be resisted, or by how much, or if it's amplified enough, or if the script needs to be changed to allow people to get the effects in comapny, or any of a lot of things. It has nothing to do with AM's effectiveness if an extremely experimental new program doesn't produce good results. It just means we need to tweak it still. You've heard of beta testing? This is beta testing. Alpha Male is definitely not beta test material.

Quote:I do keep in mind it's new technology, but for some reason (that I have reversed results) I start to doubt my success with the Alpha Male program, wondering if it's really happening because of the subs. I fear I will only allow some success and then plateau or revert back to normal (because I'm that stubborn sometimes). I shouldn't doubt anything and just trust it's happening, doesn't matter if it's because of the subs or because of other things or just because it's my normal learning curve in life.

The reasons for your failure to get results with B2 have nothing to do with Alpha Male. Your testing is helping me learn how to script these for maximum results. Fears are irrational, and so too are the conclusions they lead us to concerning what we fear.

Quote:Maybe I'm just more compatible with the Alpha Male program and my body/mind won't allow druglike effects for now. Or my English is not good enough, maybe I don't understand some words in the script? Same goes for Alpha Male script.. What if I don't understand some words? I don't think the script can be viewed by anyone?

Your English is fine. You understand the words. In the case of the digital drug, if you resist it enough that you don't get results, it will be for reasons that are internal, and does not really reflect on the digital drug so much as some of the particulars of the script not being fully optimized yet. Remember, this is B2, and the first digital subliminal drug that I have ever created which gave results at all. We are discovering how this script affects people, so I can reverse engineer that and figure out what needs to be improved.

Quote:Either way Shannon, things are going rather well, so thanks for these things!

This confuses me. All those fears, but things are going rather well? I don't get it.
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08-08-2013, 01:28 PM
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RE: B2 First Attempt
Quote:What do you not "get" Shannon? It feels like you're talking down on me. Hope you're not, for the sake of me looping your subs/energies every night for the coming 6 months. Yes, things are going well, I'm progressing. I'm noticing increases in confidence and socializing, it's quite obvious. So, thanks for that. That's all. I'll try B2 again some time soon.

Of course not, I have no reason to talk down to you. But I do seem to be a little bit short today, after having been awakened unreasonably early by someone demanding my time who then never bothered to show up, so I apologize if that has shown through.

It just didn't make sense to me that you would be getting good results and doubt them based on B2's results on you.

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08-09-2013, 04:53 PM
Post: #18
RE: B2 First Attempt
Here are the results of my 2nd run with B2!

What length of time were you exposed?
30 Minutes

Did you use it on speakers or headphones?
Headphones

Were you alone or with others?
Alone

How long did the effects seem to last after you stopped exposure?

It's only been about 10 minutes sense I stopped listening. I will update this part when I feel effects wearing off.

How long did it take to start noticing results?

About 10 Minutes

What did the program feel like to you?

This time was different because I am doing normal computer work while listening, Last time I was relaxing while in bed. I feel very zoned out and relaxed, as well as very hot and sweaty! I feel a mild euphoric feeling and am a little silly and giddy. I can compare it to a mild marijuana high.

What level of intensity did you experience concerning the effects of the program?

Not as intense as the last time but as explained above I was in a different listening situation then last time. Still very pleasant and relaxing.

How frequently did you dose yourself?
This is the 2nd time

Did the effects change over time, or remain consistent?

I was only exposed for 30 minutes this time, after 10 minutes the effects kicked in and remained consistent.

Shannon, just one question. Does this script have the potential to raise blood pressure? Just curious.

Thanks
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08-09-2013, 05:53 PM
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RE: B2 First Attempt
Effects of B2 have now worn off. Effects lasted approximately 1 hour after completion.
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08-09-2013, 09:22 PM
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It would only raise blood pressure if you associate pleasure with increased blood pressure - unlikely, but not impossible.

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