06-11-2020, 01:48 PM
(06-11-2020, 08:34 AM)Shannon Wrote: @DarthXedonias Have you seen the SerpentZA channel on YouTube? What do you think about what he has to say, during and after he lived in and traveled around China for 12 years? I suspect there's a lot more complexity to it than you might think for finding the truth. There's plenty of propaganda on both sides. That guy strikes me as being the best neutral source of truth on the matter I have found.
I do know of his channel. I would say like many people who have stayed in China and seen his videos.. his videos in the beginning were more balanced but now its seems very Anti China all the time. I think the reason for that is because him and that Laowhy guy basically were trying to do a documentary but in China you actually need a news license to do things like that (pretty well known). That and his videos getting more and more anti China , it is assumed, got him kicked out of the country. That's mainly why he's in the US right now. So given that and how much money is to be made by being very anti China at the moment I'm not surprised they are going that way.
The Other extreme of Pro China all the time would be Nathan Rich I think, granted he still tries to reason his points in his videos which is still at least good. He makes it well known he loves China though he also likes the US. So you already known to a degree he really likes the country. If you want very, very balanced from those two extremes I would say check out Daniel Dumbrill on youtube. He's probably the most reasoned and balanced person I've seen. He dispels lots of Propaganda about China but at the same time he will call out the country when he thinks it does something wrong.
A good example of this happened about 2 months ago. After China started to quickly recover from the Virus they noticed that a lot of foreigners coming back to the country were still testing positive. When this news got out some of the general public started discriminating against foreigners (all foreigners though specifically Africans and African Americans). Funny enough the government took steps right away with an information campaign to combat it, Dumbrill though actually came out with a video bringing light to the issue. The Amazing part though was in the comments to the first video he had some of his commentators trying to make excuses or use the "well lets not be hasty we need to wait for more info" type excuse. He then came out with a second video pointing out their bad reasoning and said that he isn't a pro China channel at all times and if they are expecting that type of stance they should go elsewhere. So he was willing to lose subscribers instead of sacrificing the truth of the situation.
I think the main reason might be that he already has a successful restaurant business in Shenzhen and he also runs a Brewery. He also has been there for 12 years as well. I find people who don't rely on youtube as a job and source of income usually are the ones willing to actually stand for their said principles and not sacrifice them for monetary gain.
Anyway I would highly suggest checking him out as his videos tend to be very well reasoned and he even made a video about SerptantZA and Laowhy which explains why they refused a debate with him. Well, in that they wanted the debate only in Chinese.. which you can probably guess why they only wanted it in Chinese and not in English. He also goes over a lot of stuff most people don't know about the Hong Kong situation or the so called concentration camps.
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