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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Superman - 02-03-2016
I have a question for Shannon. Now I know that subs are not a substitute for therapy or a psychiatrist, but which sub would be best for someone who was sexually abused when they were young, and still deeply affected by it. ERPHA? ERPHA 2.0?
I really want to help someone out, subs have done so much for me and if I could help this person it would mean a lot.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - dissonance - 02-03-2016
(02-03-2016, 11:49 AM)Superman Wrote: I have a question for Shannon. Now I know that subs are not a substitute for therapy or a psychiatrist, but which sub would be best for someone who was sexually abused when they were young, and still deeply affected by it. ERPHA? ERPHA 2.0?
I really want to help someone out, subs have done so much for me and if I could help this person it would mean a lot.
Here's an article about shame that I think would be of interest to you, Superman. Read it the other day when I was trying to decide if I want to get OF 5G of OGSF 5G.
http://www.angriesout.com/teach8.htm
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Dzemoo - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 09:52 PM)CatMan Wrote: That'd lead to a very bleak, lonely existence.
I'm positive Shannon wouldn't implement those.
They also seem fear-based. And that whole "who cares the least controls the relationship". Wow, so it'd be a contest to care the least about the other person? Why be in a relationship with them then? What kind of relationship would that be? Awful.
Even a guy like me, one who has never had a girlfriend, never had sex, never been on a date or kissed a girl, and has only had misery and awful, horrible experiences with girls...believes there's more to them than the "who can care less" competition. Let's be honest, that's just a defense mechanism to not risk pain. I doubt it'd work with quality people that will enrich your life, in the real world...
Come on guys. This is all fear-based stuff. You're better than that, and clearly want more out of life, or you wouldn't be here at IML.
So why dont you have Girls then if you know so much about, have you ever thought about that maybe exactly this is the reason why you never had a girlfriend? Seems obvious for me who has the lonely existence here and the fear base is on your side dude you are too afraid to let the nice guy behavior go
I am positive that you wont have a girlfriend and women for a very long time with this thinking and it doesnt suprise me that you even resited sm3 so this speaks for its self how accurate your thinking is, you can fool yourself and have support here but not the universe or even girls they sense if something is fishy
Just keep repeating the same old stuff like you always do but dont blame the magnets or other subs if at the end you still dont get (real world) results
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Dzemoo - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 09:29 PM)Nox Wrote:(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
Please don't add these. I enjoy women too much to have these put in.
Maybe you could enjoy them more if this would be implemented,
I dont care if the suggestions will be added or not cause i am getting results anyway i am just trying to help to make them more effectiv for users who dont get results but are too blind to see their mistakes not everyone here wants to be a better person some just want pure results nothing more but yeah keep suggestions stuff like this and then asking for refunds
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Dzemoo - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 08:11 PM)ffaux Wrote:(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
Lol you're so crazy Afzal. I know PUA ***** tells us to be indifferent but that's ridiculous—were human. Being indifferent (and the various techniques PUAs suggest we achieve this like spinning plates) is a crutch to cover up the fact that we want approval. When we don't want approval we no longer need to be indifferent. And we can fall in love and have interests in women beyond sex.
Its not the approval that is the problem its the basic human emotions and programming the same urge that makes you want to fuck a 21 year old makes you want to cum in her and make het pregnant and fall in love with her to raise her children we cant become something better and leave humanity behind if we dont get rid of this stone age programming
If we love our humanity so much why we just dont accept ojr wekness and just be ourself but instead use some crazy brainwashing? I dont need 5g or 6 g to be human
I have not chosen albert wesker as my avatar for no reason
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Nox - 02-03-2016
(02-03-2016, 12:08 PM)Dzemoo Wrote:(02-02-2016, 09:29 PM)Nox Wrote:(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
Please don't add these. I enjoy women too much to have these put in.
Maybe you could enjoy them more if this would be implemented,
I dont care if the suggestions will be added or not cause i am getting results anyway i am just trying to help to make them more effectiv for users who dont get results but are too blind to see their mistakes not everyone here wants to be a better person some just want pure results nothing more but yeah keep suggestions stuff like this and then asking for refunds
Excellent maybe! You're right in that it is possible that I could possibly enjoy women more if your suggestions were implemented. It's something I have experimented with in the past. Now, I wasn't where I am now and so I did have more issues I was dealing with, but I did not like the long term potential of the mindset.
Sex is fun, but it isn't THAT fun. And yes, I'm doing it right lol. I have some long time and extremely meaningful female friends in my life that I don't have any desire to have sex with. Some are quite beautiful also but not all. I've even turned a couple down on the offer and the friendship remains.
Connections have different variations. I've connected physically, emotionally and mentally with women and they're all great. But spiritual connections are the best, and we're fortunate as humans to be able to develop that connection through any of those other three methods. There is no way I would turn down some of the depth I've gained for more sex. I've gained far too much to want to go back to an objectifying mindset about women.
You talk about how we need to move past old patterns to evolve. I agree. But I strongly disagree that our evolution is a solitary one. Humans become better simply from associating with me. Yes, that is the pinnacle of arrogance and I absolutely believe it's true. My goal is to help however I can to have others who return the favor, hopefully more so. I want the universe and I want mankind to help me get it. In return I'll help them get the same. One supreme being isn't as effective as a team full of supreme beings. And I'd absolutely hate it if we were all men haha
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shawn - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
This would be maybe a good suggestions for a special PUA sub, for these who want something like that, but not for AM7.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - LionKing - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 06:57 PM)Shannon Wrote:(02-02-2016, 05:31 AM)Raz Wrote: Shannon, US 4G is a wonderful sub, I absolutely love the effects it is having on me. After seeing all the excitement that the update of OF and OGSF to 5G has brought, I would like to suggest an update of Ultra Success to 5G as well. In my imagination US5G is an absolute groundshattering experience!
Is it possible for you to re-create Ultra Success in 5G? I would go for it in the flash of a second.
I was confused for a while because I was sure we had both 4G and 5G. As uit turns out, it is 3G (discontinued) and 4G. So sure, this can go on the list.
Great! Now that there are plans to upgrade both Overcome Procrastination and Ultra Success, I'm thinking if these should be combined? Or just supplemented with each other + a line of two from ASC. I'm thinking that a person who is successful takes a lot of action and is fairly confident.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - dissonance - 02-03-2016
Does OF 5G have slipstream in it?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Vincent_Vega - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
Well, Afzal isn't totally wrong here, his statements are just too extreme.
To not fall in love with every women you talk to, kiss, or have sex with is a good thing to implement. To never fall in love with a women ever again is a bad one.
To stop thinking about relationship, marriage, kids and stuff everytime you get close to a girl and start to just have fun with them is a good thing to implement. To only see women as cum receptables is a bad one.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Darkness - 02-03-2016
(02-03-2016, 10:34 AM)swisston Wrote: I agree with Catman and Nox; awful idea! If anything I would want a sub to help me care more about people, treat them better and be less self involved. The last thing the world needs is more narcissism and selfishness.
Why on earth would you want 'control' in a relationship? It should be a mutually beneficial arrangement bringing happiness, connection and personal growth to both people. It doesn't sound like some people have had particularly good relationships....
Why would you run AM6/BASE if you did not want to be more dominant and more indifferent . Women never stop testing, when has caring too much about any particular girl led to her respecting you more. That's why we are here for the most part . I think it's time to accept women's psyche FULLY and all that comes with it , before we build fairytales we wish them to be, in turn we will TRULY and thoroughly love them and their flaws ( realistically and without malice nor judgement ) . You should not care for a woman more than she does for herself she will always punish you for it, in my experience, everytime . Do women leave nice guys? This forum is proof.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Jakeb203 - 02-03-2016
(02-02-2016, 07:44 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: Maybe you could now add the suggestions for am7
-to have no other interest in women than sex
-to not fall in love with any woman
Because many user here have the problem that they emotionaly attach to women they sleep with and therefore cant be indifferent anymore
I agree with you on that the person who cares less will have more control/influence over the relationship. Especially when it is not done from a manipulative process. Speaking outside from psychological views, it's actually an universal truth. If you don't care her as much, she will care more as long as she perceives you to be a valuable. Simple.
But I do not quite agree on using women only for sex though. This will make things quite boring. I mean it's all cool to sleep with a bunch of women who you don't care about, but experiences take various forms. Having sex is one of them. There can also be women who you do love and wish to engage with on a mutual benefit basis.
I honestly believe that a guy who is competent with women (not only limited to pick up artist) is able to handle all forms of experience with women. We can generically conclude them in a few categories: Girlfriends, Lovers, Hookups, Friends, and Best Friends. You can have different commitment levels with all of them, and whether you want to do anything with them is up to you. It doesn't always have to be IDGAF all the time, unless if you are in the pickup phase of you life when you believe you should only sleep with women and nothing else. I mean it's definitely a personal preference, but I also think that having options with women is great also. You can choose to love her, or not love her. In my case I'd just leave the woman if I don't love her. Why spend time using/manipulating a girl for anything? There are tons of girls out there who can love, provide you when you give the same thing back. You feel happy this way and there aren't as much negative emotions. You can thus do whatever you want while forgo all the hassles with women.
I personally hate drama. I don't wish them to happen as they are very emotionally draining. I'd rather spend a vacation, read something, learn a new craft than rejecting/playing/manipulating women.
But I also understand Dzemoo's standpoint. It's pretty common for guys who are good with women and has a pick-up / womanizing lifestyle to think this way, as women can get hard to deal with you just want to have new women all the time. Loving a particular woman takes commitment, energy, and moreover, you become attached over the long term. So if you don't love her you can always have new.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Jakeb203 - 02-03-2016
In case of AM7 I don't think it should take loving women out of the equation. It should improve your options instead, leaving you to choose from whatever relationship that you wish.
For Dzemoo's suggestion, I second to @Mr.Anderson's solution, a sub can be created for the pick up artists. If you just want to f**k tons of women, not care about their quality, not care about improving yourself, but just want tons of experiences and get into as many girl's pants as possible, then a sub can be created. But it should not change your attitude regarding women though; not everyone wants to become overly detached into souless sex-having animals (not intended for Dzemoo). It should just be a sub about enriching your experience with women based on the foundation of pick-up arts. Meet women from all venues, cold approach, transition, screen, qualify, escalate, sex. And make all your experiences based on that. Would be a great idea regardless if you have run any major magnets before. I will be perfect down to using a sub for a longer vacation just to test how effective it can be.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - CatMan - 02-03-2016
(02-03-2016, 12:02 PM)Dzemoo Wrote:(02-02-2016, 09:52 PM)CatMan Wrote: That'd lead to a very bleak, lonely existence.
I'm positive Shannon wouldn't implement those.
They also seem fear-based. And that whole "who cares the least controls the relationship". Wow, so it'd be a contest to care the least about the other person? Why be in a relationship with them then? What kind of relationship would that be? Awful.
Even a guy like me, one who has never had a girlfriend, never had sex, never been on a date or kissed a girl, and has only had misery and awful, horrible experiences with girls...believes there's more to them than the "who can care less" competition. Let's be honest, that's just a defense mechanism to not risk pain. I doubt it'd work with quality people that will enrich your life, in the real world...
Come on guys. This is all fear-based stuff. You're better than that, and clearly want more out of life, or you wouldn't be here at IML.
So why dont you have Girls then if you know so much about, have you ever thought about that maybe exactly this is the reason why you never had a girlfriend? Seems obvious for me who has the lonely existence here and the fear base is on your side dude you are too afraid to let the nice guy behavior go
I am positive that you wont have a girlfriend and women for a very long time with this thinking and it doesnt suprise me that you even resited sm3 so this speaks for its self how accurate your thinking is, you can fool yourself and have support here but not the universe or even girls they sense if something is fishy
Just keep repeating the same old stuff like you always do but dont blame the magnets or other subs if at the end you still dont get (real world) results
Wow...
So I try to help you see it is a hurtful mindset for you (and to you) to have, to treat women like disposable trash, and that it's likely just fear of being hurt (again?). I've watched friends of mine have all sorts of girls and think that way and each time they've been horribly depressed, empty, and the whole getting girls thing was a mask to hide their deep insecurity and need for external validation. And I fully say I believe they have more value to life than just disposable pleasure, as we all do. And then I openly admit something very hard to do...to admit I have terrible experience with them and that even someone in my place knows they have more value than just sex toys to make a point, and I'm attacked through it? I had terrible, EVIL early experiences with them, that gave me fear to do with them. Something that took me years to get over and I'm still doing it. I tried to be vulnerable to help you see a healthier point of view, thanks for attacking me through it.
It's a shame your views of women are so negative. It's ironic that I have awful, horrible early experiences with them that have deeply set me back and I'd never wish them to happen to my worst enemy. And still I believe they have value, and yet you've had successful experiences with them, and yet believe they have no value and have a low opinion of them. You'd think it'd be the other way around.
Anyway I tried. If you think so little of them, words on a screen from a stranger won't change that. I hope that changes in time, for your sake. There must be hurts or fear causing the view, I'm sure in time the issues can be resolved and the mindset will be gone. "Spinning plates" or other crap, is really just be a band-aid fix to the fear of being vulnerable and emotionally available.
I guess there's no point of me commenting further on this, I was interested in providing a healthy view, not an argument. I'm not perfect, that's why I'm here, and neither are you, that's why you're here. The reality is, I don't have a dog in the race, it's your choice to decide what you want to do ultimately. Best of luck man, you're doing a lot more things right than me, you're getting girls etc. rock on for you, man. But, you didn't seem happy about it, so that's why I commented as I've seen this in several of my "ladykiller" friends.
I wish you awesome success however you want it, man.