+- Subliminal Talk (https://subliminal-talk.com)
+-- Forum: Men's Journals (18+ NSFW) (https://subliminal-talk.com/Forum-Men-s-Journals-18-NSFW)
+--- Forum: Men's Journals (https://subliminal-talk.com/Forum-Men-s-Journals)
+--- Thread: Shannon's Journal Discussion (/Thread-Shannon-s-Journal-Discussion)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
316
317
318
319
320
321
322
323
324
325
326
327
328
329
330
331
332
333
334
335
336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402
403
404
405
406
407
408
409
410
411
412
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
430
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439
440
441
442
443
444
445
446
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
503
504
505
506
507
508
509
510
511
512
513
514
515
516
517
518
519
520
521
522
523
524
525
526
527
528
529
530
531
532
533
534
535
536
537
538
539
540
541
542
543
544
545
546
547
548
549
550
551
552
553
554
555
556
557
558
559
560
561
562
563
564
565
566
567
568
569
570
571
572
573
574
575
576
577
578
579
580
581
582
583
584
585
586
587
588
589
590
591
592
593
594
595
596
597
598
599
600
601
602
603
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613
614
615
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625
626
627
628
629
630
631
632
633
634
635
636
637
638
639
640
641
642
643
644
645
646
647
648
649
650
651
652
653
654
655
656
657
658
659
660
661
662
663
664
665
666
667
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
675
676
677
678
679
680
681
682
683
684
685
686
687
688
689
690
691
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - RTBoss - 11-07-2016
(11-06-2016, 09:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(11-06-2016, 09:43 PM)2Cozy Wrote: Was it the first date? I don’t think anything’s wrong with making a move on a girl, but you just have to gauge where she’s at, it’s kind of like your leading her through it, like reading someone a story. You just always have to watch where she’s at, if you do too much you give away too much power and she’ll get scared, if you do to little she might feel like she’s wasting her time. Not too hot, not too cold, it just has to be smooth. Don’t see her as a hot girl, just see her a person you’re getting to know, and be the best you. And relax. After a while you can do it like clockwork.
Yeah it was the first date.
And now, this is where it gets confusing and actually gives me a headache every time I try to figure this shit out. But I thought I was supposed to be able to be masculine, "impose my will", set the frame, bring the girl into my reality, and all that shit, but then there's the other aspect of "go at her pace", check in with her, make sure she's ok, etc.
So which is it? I don't get it and it drives me insane (literally. I'm probably more likely to get admitted to a mental hospital than i am to get laid at this point, only slightly joking).
I don't understand how it all works. If I didn't know better, i'd say sleeping with a girl is more an exercise of me getting her to do what she wants, than me doing what i want.
Ok, like Chaos, I wasn't aware you were getting that much interest. Now that's squared away, like you said, let's focus on the next step.
Dating chicks and banging chicks (ONS/FWB/purely sexual) are two completely different pathways to sex. With dates, the purpose is usually to see if you are romantically compatible. The woman is not likely on the date, first and foremost, for sex. If you're looking for someone to call your girlfriend, then by all means, take this path with the awareness that sex likely won't come into the equation for some weeks - until the woman is sure your relationship is "going somewhere" or has potential for the long term.
Hooking up - different story. Meeting women (on the street, online/using an app like Tinder, bars/clubs) who are looking for just sex requires a quick chemistry-compatibility check, and quick escalation. Getting to a private place is paramount, and then from there it's about escalation. So if you say, "You wanna head back to my place?" and she says, "Yes, let's go." it's on. Once you get there, give her the tour that includes your bedroom, and position yourself to kiss her within a relatively short period of time. Some dudes literally just walk into their bedroom and hop into bed and she what she does, lol. Anyway, once you're making out, it should be smooth sailing from that to bra-and-panties on the floor, whether you're in bed, on the couch, or the kitchen table.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - bits - 11-07-2016
(11-06-2016, 09:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I don't understand how it all works. If I didn't know better, i'd say sleeping with a girl is more an exercise of me getting her to do what she wants, than me doing what i want.
The story women want is "it just happened" - it's very hard to give strict rules like when she does x you do y because everyone is different but that's the general frame under which women justify sex with a new guy. "We went on a date, he was cool, we went back to his place JUST to watch tv/eat/get a drink/etc, the chemistry was great and it just sort of happened"
If I were to give you a "rule" it would be this - have fun on the date and don't escalate beyond quick pecks until she's back at your place. I know it's "reality tv" but this is probably the best example on camera:
@6:15
He took the date slow, went in for a quick kiss, pulled back, pretended like it was the end of their date and he would call her, walked back to the room to say goodbye, then started escalating.
If most PUA coaches saw him they would be screaming "BETA CHODE!, SHOW INTENT, NEG HER, DISQUALIFY HER, ESCALATE ESCALATE ESCALATE!!!" Most guys would be better off throwing out 90% of PUA material - especially if they're using subliminals or mones.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Cozy - 11-07-2016
@sarge
It's not going to take "some weeks" to get to sex if you do it the way I said. 2-3 weeks tops. Plus I don't think attractive girls will be on tinder DTF. I've seen the girls on tinder, they're pathetic.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 11-07-2016
Since when did my thread become the WWF Dating Channel?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Cozy - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 05:40 AM)Shannon Wrote: Since when did my thread become the WWF Dating Channel?
That's what happens when you're on hiatus for too long.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Have at ye - 11-07-2016
The DMSIs without clearing modules do seem to have a tendency to make people restless.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 05:50 AM)2Cozy Wrote:(11-07-2016, 05:40 AM)Shannon Wrote: Since when did my thread become the WWF Dating Channel?
That's what happens when you're on hiatus for too long.
I have been having a hard time getting enough sleep lately. Something is draining my energy at an alarming rate. I'm averaging 4-6 hours awake per day. It's hard to be productive when you're expecting 12+ and you just suddenly drop from exhaustion after 4 or 6.
I slept from 7:30 PM last night to 7:30 am, for example. It's 9:30 and I'm already feeling tired again.
So it's not so much trying to disappear as trying to figure out what's going on and get enough sleep.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Cozy - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 06:30 AM)Shannon Wrote:(11-07-2016, 05:50 AM)2Cozy Wrote:(11-07-2016, 05:40 AM)Shannon Wrote: Since when did my thread become the WWF Dating Channel?
That's what happens when you're on hiatus for too long.
I have been having a hard time getting enough sleep lately. Something is draining my energy at an alarming rate. I'm averaging 4-6 hours awake per day. It's hard to be productive when you're expecting 12+ and you just suddenly drop from exhaustion after 4 or 6.
I slept from 7:30 PM last night to 7:30 am, for example. It's 9:30 and I'm already feeling tired again.
So it's not so much trying to disappear as trying to figure out what's going on and get enough sleep.
It's probably MIR.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - dweller94 - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 06:30 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'd like to cause it to trigger them not just sexually, but in all the ways that person needs to respond by initiating and having sex with the user. I think this is a big issue right now - it's lopsided. Too much sexual and not enough of whatever else is needed and desired.
I'm feeling good about this, trigger all forms of (attraction?) whatever, that will lead to sex 
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 07:43 AM)dweller94 Wrote:(11-07-2016, 06:30 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'd like to cause it to trigger them not just sexually, but in all the ways that person needs to respond by initiating and having sex with the user. I think this is a big issue right now - it's lopsided. Too much sexual and not enough of whatever else is needed and desired.
If I can figure out how to word it... the grammar is ridiculous.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 11-07-2016
So I found a statement in the AOSI tuning section that had some of what was necessary, but not all of it, and I added it. Looking good. It actually uses polymorphic scripting to determine what each person needs to experience to move forward, this should be good.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - K-Train - 11-07-2016
A couple things Shannon. First off, congrats on your recent epiphany concerning sexual safeness. I had someone explain something similar to me except they used the analogy of an airplane pilot. Basically, if you got on an airplane and looked into the cockpit and saw two blind pilots you would feel unsafe. On the other hand, if you saw two pilots talking the pilot lingo and moving their hands and body with confidence, you would feel safe. That safeness motivates you to get on that plane and relax.
Number two, have you considered perhaps interviewing/questioning any females you are close to and pick their brains on instances where they approached a male and see if you can gather more info? I'm sure some of the guys around here could perhaps do the same. If you've done this already, then disregard this paragraph.
Number 3, for those of us who purchased DMSI can we request one of the older versions talking specifically about V1)?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - mat422 - 11-07-2016
Hey Shannon, I asked you this in my journal but I figure I might catch you here. It's been a while since I've run AM and I'm thinking it would do me some good. I only have 5.0 at the moment, haven't been able to buy 6 yet. Having said that I'm taking a break from E2. What's your opinion on 5.0? I can't remember where you stood on it because 5.0 was supposed to be the last one. Anyway it was either that or ASC. I'm leaning more towards ASC to see if maybe it can help me land a better job and then from there buy AM6. But I wanted to know your opinion. Especially since I've grown so accustomed to the 5G tech.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Shannon - 11-07-2016
(11-07-2016, 08:36 AM)K-Train Wrote: A couple things Shannon. First off, congrats on your recent epiphany concerning sexual safeness. I had someone explain something similar to me except they used the analogy of an airplane pilot. Basically, if you got on an airplane and looked into the cockpit and saw two blind pilots you would feel unsafe. On the other hand, if you saw two pilots talking the pilot lingo and moving their hands and body with confidence, you would feel safe. That safeness motivates you to get on that plane and relax.
Number two, have you considered perhaps interviewing/questioning any females you are close to and pick their brains on instances where they approached a male and see if you can gather more info? I'm sure some of the guys around here could perhaps do the same. If you've done this already, then disregard this paragraph.
Number 3, for those of us who purchased DMSI can we request one of the older versions talking specifically about V1)?
I don't mind you guys having access to V1, if Ben is willing to link it up as an add on to the current 2.5. I would actually like to see how you think it compares to 2.4/2.5.