(11-12-2015, 12:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: By the way, we appear to be experiencing some back end issues with the website, so it may be a bit for getting these available in the store. We are working on it.

(11-20-2015, 02:48 AM)Natious Wrote: Laser focus on only removing the darkness? How about add some light at the same time. At first I thought focusing on just fear is a good idea, now I'm thinking there is a better way to deal with it and looking at some of the scripts, they are worded this way.
Also if you read the previous script for OF, it already includes statements about courage, bravery and confidence. So it's not only about removing the fear to reach the goal of being free of fear. Statements regarding confidence and self esteem, maybe even self value could be helpful for the user to reach the goal.

(11-20-2015, 05:40 AM)mat422 Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 02:48 AM)Natious Wrote: Laser focus on only removing the darkness? How about add some light at the same time. At first I thought focusing on just fear is a good idea, now I'm thinking there is a better way to deal with it and looking at some of the scripts, they are worded this way.
Also if you read the previous script for OF, it already includes statements about courage, bravery and confidence. So it's not only about removing the fear to reach the goal of being free of fear. Statements regarding confidence and self esteem, maybe even self value could be helpful for the user to reach the goal.

I'm like 90% certain Shannon is keeping that stuff in. OF 5g is really just an updated version of OF 4g with more power behind it. And Shannon is well aware of replacing the negative with positive, he's discussed it in previous journal entries. The man knows what he's doing.

Also as a side note have you guys ever noticed how the earlier AM and subliminal programs worked really well for guys? Back then Shannon was doing his own thing and people weren't bombarding him with suggestions. It's better to have one program that tackles the single issue fully, than have it try to attack multiple issues and fail at all of them. Worst comes to worst you have to run another program to deal with the stuff remaining. I'm not saying suggestions are bad, but Shannon has a lifetime of experience studying the subconscious and doing actual experiments with it. He's not just about theory. No disrespect to some guys here but you are talking about these things as if you know they would help, but you don't have first hand experience of what goes into the scripts and how multiple suggestions interact with each other.

I noticed a trend here, similar to what happens to user applications. You start off with a great program that executes its purpose beautifully, but then a bunch of suggestions start bloating up the program. Suddenly it's expected to do everything and now it's clunky and slow. We don't want that for subliminals.

(11-20-2015, 06:43 AM)Natious Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 05:40 AM)mat422 Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 02:48 AM)Natious Wrote: Laser focus on only removing the darkness? How about add some light at the same time. At first I thought focusing on just fear is a good idea, now I'm thinking there is a better way to deal with it and looking at some of the scripts, they are worded this way.
Also if you read the previous script for OF, it already includes statements about courage, bravery and confidence. So it's not only about removing the fear to reach the goal of being free of fear. Statements regarding confidence and self esteem, maybe even self value could be helpful for the user to reach the goal.

I'm like 90% certain Shannon is keeping that stuff in. OF 5g is really just an updated version of OF 4g with more power behind it. And Shannon is well aware of replacing the negative with positive, he's discussed it in previous journal entries. The man knows what he's doing.

Also as a side note have you guys ever noticed how the earlier AM and subliminal programs worked really well for guys? Back then Shannon was doing his own thing and people weren't bombarding him with suggestions. It's better to have one program that tackles the single issue fully, than have it try to attack multiple issues and fail at all of them. Worst comes to worst you have to run another program to deal with the stuff remaining. I'm not saying suggestions are bad, but Shannon has a lifetime of experience studying the subconscious and doing actual experiments with it. He's not just about theory. No disrespect to some guys here but you are talking about these things as if you know they would help, but you don't have first hand experience of what goes into the scripts and how multiple suggestions interact with each other.

I noticed a trend here, similar to what happens to user applications. You start off with a great program that executes its purpose beautifully, but then a bunch of suggestions start bloating up the program. Suddenly it's expected to do everything and now it's clunky and slow. We don't want that for subliminals.

I think you have misunderstood the meaning behind my post which was directed to people who say that OF should focus solely on removing the fears. I didn't mention negative or positive statements with one word. It is an old news that negative statements in most cases don't work and if they do result in the opposite effect, it's actually the foundation of how subliminals and affirmations work.

It is easy to say that of5g is just 4g with more power behind it. If Shannon knows what he's doing he won't consider the ideas that would make the sub worse. I agree on OF being focused on the goal, confidence, self esteem, courage and bravery are part of that in my opinion. But it's still just my opinion.

Also there's too many ''I noticed the trend here'' posts.

(11-20-2015, 06:57 AM)mat422 Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 06:43 AM)Natious Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 05:40 AM)mat422 Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 02:48 AM)Natious Wrote: Laser focus on only removing the darkness? How about add some light at the same time. At first I thought focusing on just fear is a good idea, now I'm thinking there is a better way to deal with it and looking at some of the scripts, they are worded this way.
Also if you read the previous script for OF, it already includes statements about courage, bravery and confidence. So it's not only about removing the fear to reach the goal of being free of fear. Statements regarding confidence and self esteem, maybe even self value could be helpful for the user to reach the goal.

I'm like 90% certain Shannon is keeping that stuff in. OF 5g is really just an updated version of OF 4g with more power behind it. And Shannon is well aware of replacing the negative with positive, he's discussed it in previous journal entries. The man knows what he's doing.

Also as a side note have you guys ever noticed how the earlier AM and subliminal programs worked really well for guys? Back then Shannon was doing his own thing and people weren't bombarding him with suggestions. It's better to have one program that tackles the single issue fully, than have it try to attack multiple issues and fail at all of them. Worst comes to worst you have to run another program to deal with the stuff remaining. I'm not saying suggestions are bad, but Shannon has a lifetime of experience studying the subconscious and doing actual experiments with it. He's not just about theory. No disrespect to some guys here but you are talking about these things as if you know they would help, but you don't have first hand experience of what goes into the scripts and how multiple suggestions interact with each other.

I noticed a trend here, similar to what happens to user applications. You start off with a great program that executes its purpose beautifully, but then a bunch of suggestions start bloating up the program. Suddenly it's expected to do everything and now it's clunky and slow. We don't want that for subliminals.

I think you have misunderstood the meaning behind my post which was directed to people who say that OF should focus solely on removing the fears. I didn't mention negative or positive statements with one word. It is an old news that negative statements in most cases don't work and if they do result in the opposite effect, it's actually the foundation of how subliminals and affirmations work.

It is easy to say that of5g is just 4g with more power behind it. If Shannon knows what he's doing he won't consider the ideas that would make the sub worse. I agree on OF being focused on the goal, confidence, self esteem, courage and bravery are part of that in my opinion. But it's still just my opinion.

Also there's too many ''I noticed the trend here'' posts.

No I got what you were saying. I used negative and positive as good and bad. Meaning Shannon removes bad things like fear and replaces them with things like courage. It's part of his programs. Bad programming needs to replaced with something good in order to stick.

Eh, I'd have to disagree there. A lot of people asked for a ton of stuff in AM 5.0 and that turned out a bit underwhelming for most. I'd prefer for that not to happen again. Like I said though, OF 4g has the bravery and courage suggestions in it so I'm pretty sure he's keeping those in 5g. But things like self esteem are best reserved for other subs. Fear is a common sticking point for a lot of guys around here and the more focus that can be put on fear and it's removal, the more successful the program.

(11-20-2015, 02:29 AM)mohhhs94 Wrote:

(11-12-2015, 12:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: By the way, we appear to be experiencing some back end issues with the website, so it may be a bit for getting these available in the store. We are working on it.

That's awesome, Shannon I am currently running AYPG and Aah the time it could possibly take 5G in this would be a god send. I know it may be time consuming and difficult but this would just be truly perfect ... *perfect girlfriend*

(11-20-2015, 10:24 AM)Natious Wrote: That's pretty much what I meant, not making OF a huge program, but add a little bit to keep confidence and self esteem at reasonable levels.
Don't really know about AM5 vs AM6 comparison. When only AM5 was out, there weren't as many users here so the amount of people being disappointed would have been less then now on AM6. Never the less I think AM should get an upgrade, I personally had no results with it. That makes me think that I am one of the more resistant types, or just not in the place where AM6 could effectively make a difference, hence the long OF run.

(11-20-2015, 06:43 AM)Natious Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 05:40 AM)mat422 Wrote:

(11-20-2015, 02:48 AM)Natious Wrote: Laser focus on only removing the darkness? How about add some light at the same time. At first I thought focusing on just fear is a good idea, now I'm thinking there is a better way to deal with it and looking at some of the scripts, they are worded this way.
Also if you read the previous script for OF, it already includes statements about courage, bravery and confidence. So it's not only about removing the fear to reach the goal of being free of fear. Statements regarding confidence and self esteem, maybe even self value could be helpful for the user to reach the goal.

I'm like 90% certain Shannon is keeping that stuff in. OF 5g is really just an updated version of OF 4g with more power behind it. And Shannon is well aware of replacing the negative with positive, he's discussed it in previous journal entries. The man knows what he's doing.

Also as a side note have you guys ever noticed how the earlier AM and subliminal programs worked really well for guys? Back then Shannon was doing his own thing and people weren't bombarding him with suggestions. It's better to have one program that tackles the single issue fully, than have it try to attack multiple issues and fail at all of them. Worst comes to worst you have to run another program to deal with the stuff remaining. I'm not saying suggestions are bad, but Shannon has a lifetime of experience studying the subconscious and doing actual experiments with it. He's not just about theory. No disrespect to some guys here but you are talking about these things as if you know they would help, but you don't have first hand experience of what goes into the scripts and how multiple suggestions interact with each other.

I noticed a trend here, similar to what happens to user applications. You start off with a great program that executes its purpose beautifully, but then a bunch of suggestions start bloating up the program. Suddenly it's expected to do everything and now it's clunky and slow. We don't want that for subliminals.

I think you have misunderstood the meaning behind my post which was directed to people who say that OF should focus solely on removing the fears. I didn't mention negative or positive statements with one word. It is an old news that negative statements in most cases don't work and if they do result in the opposite effect, it's actually the foundation of how subliminals and affirmations work.

It is easy to say that of5g is just 4g with more power behind it. If Shannon knows what he's doing he won't consider the ideas that would make the sub worse. I agree on OF being focused on the goal, confidence, self esteem, courage and bravery are part of that in my opinion. But it's still just my opinion.

Also there's too many ''I noticed the trend here'' posts.

(11-20-2015, 10:21 AM)RTBoss Wrote: "Spiritually Enlightened/Evolved" sexual/romantic lover.