(08-20-2016, 10:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-18-2016, 09:41 PM)Rayhon Wrote: Shannon. An idea I came up with today that you may or may not already implement in your programs

Simple idea but I think it will be a major improvement if it's not already added.

Breathing is very important, and most people don't breath properly and with the right rythym. Most people hold there breath in too long and breathing doesn't flow.

learn how to make it so that the sub causes you to breath properly and consistently in a nice even flow throughout the day. More oxygen to the brain and it allows your body to release tension and relaxes your body language.

I notice when I'm not breathing properly my body language suffers.

That an issue with DMSI for you?

(08-20-2016, 10:42 AM)Rayhon Wrote: are you back on Version 1 or is that from before? Amazing results man. That's exactly the type of results i'm looking to achieve. I don't want to do ANYTHING and I want women to fall head over heels for me just by looking at me.

I had some pretty amazing experiences on DMSI that made waitresses/cashiers faces turn EXTREMELY red by just looking at them. but lately I haven't noticed that.

(08-19-2016, 10:04 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(08-19-2016, 04:54 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(08-18-2016, 08:35 PM)maxx55 Wrote: Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

Sorry, Boss -- v1 was balls to the wall kickass (at least for me). I would pay $299 - $500 for this:

A two subliminal set.

Stage One: Focused on healing. It's a version of E2 directly aimed at achieving the target goal. Heals in the background like E2. Heals you at your own pace. Hides the pain from the conscious mind. Intuitively lets you know when you're ready for Stage 2.

Stage Two: v1's aura + upgraded NSFM (not "Natural Seduction for EVERYONE," as Shannon put it) that puts me in a fierce, hunting mode + the state-shifting and autopilot.

Why not NSFE, chaos? Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the gender neutral thing is holding DMSI back. A lot of people get annoyed when they hear "gender neutral" because they think of all the craziness in the news. When I hear "gender neutral," at least in regards to DMSI, I think of it from the perspective of a businessman: Shannon doesn't want to have to develop, maintain and support multiple SKUs. Solution? Make a turnkey, all-in-one version.

Quote:Here's my issue -- and again, this is PURE speculation, so I may be completely off-base. Men and women have distinct (and almost opposing) sexual strategies. If I had to guess, the autopilot and state-shifting technologies are evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. I imagine those functions work by instructing the subconscious to provide the proper knowledge to the conscious mind to achieve the target goal. However, I bet NSFM also contained direct instructions on seducing women, based upon Shannon's research in human sexuality. In simpler terms, a man that HAD no knowledge of seduction would receive some from the subliminal -- ala Sex Magnet -- which would contribute to his success.

Quote:Theoretically, a "Natural Seduction for Everyone," would lack these extra instructions and would rely completely on the autopilot and state-shifting tech. As we've seen with v2.1 and v2.2, the autopilot tech doesn't seem to be kicking in for inexperienced men -- hence the whole, "I don't know what to do with these IOIs" issue.

Quote:In my opinion, the best way to reach the target goal is separating the subs into multiple SKUs. Think about it -- most women are inundated with male attention anyway. It's not "more male attention" that they want, it's "more alpha male" attention. A SKU dedicated to women could possess that specific phrasing, making it a much more worthwhile investment for them.

Quote:That being said, we still have to remember that this is still the exploratory stage of brand new science. You can't expect Shannon to get it right the first time because there's no precedence for what's being done here. Most people still don't even believe it's possible. I was telling a good friend of mine about this and he was looking at me like I was absolutely crazy. Shannon mentioned in another thread that developing this correctly is probably harder than going to the moon. People disagreed. Think about it -- there's been a number of successful lunar landings. The powers that be KNOW how to do it. Yes, it's difficult, expensive and requires a HUGE staff. However, it's been done. Multiple times. There's a manual. There's no manual whatsoever to developing something like DMSI.

(08-19-2016, 10:52 AM)Sickologist Wrote: Of course it's gonna work differently for everybody. The aura makes up what, 5% of your overall sex appeal? If you have good looks, cool style and alpha body language v1 will put your entire being into overdrive. That's what I experienced. I don't post everything that happens in my life either. It was hard to distinguish what was causing what at times, but looking back, I know how well v1 worked. On new girls and girls I already knew.

I noticed some effects with 2.1 that were a pale shadow of v1. I didn't notice much from 2.2 othar than some weird emotional process I went through. For some reason, in these last days when I've been off subs, The Mack Is Back.

We need to figure out this NSFM thing though and how to incorporate it. Worst case scenario, I go back to v1 and run NSFM when needed. I have no problems with the constant hunger, come to think of it I almost miss it. Felt like unbreakable after a heavy meal and there was this huge presence around me. Adding the natural seduction for us busy folks who don't have to time to revel in random IOI's and we've got a killer sub on our hands.

(08-19-2016, 03:00 PM)Churchill Wrote: Hey guys, quick question:
Does the occurrence of static while I play the ultrasonics imply that my subconscious is no longer getting the messages?

(08-19-2016, 03:56 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote: I've always said that Shannon can't be a "valid tester" in a attraction/manifestation sub because he knows EXACTLY what is in the script EVERY TIME. Therefore, his thinking, attitudes, emotional state, and actions have the potential to be in alignment 100% of the time. No one else really "knows" whats in the script because of trade secrets (which is understandable).

Quote:A lot of times when he's frustrated and asks why is everyone "resisting so hard" or "not following instructions" this is probably one of the main reasons why (I think he forgets). That, and people are unaware of how the (subconscious) mind is operating/influenced and how "beliefs are created and replaced" (authority figures, brainwaves, repetition, intense emotional states, real-life manifestations, etc)

Quote:I also understand why people are so obsessed with "healing" outside of true medical/traumatic reasons. A lot of people think they can "heal" all there problems away, until all the problems are gone.... Then, magically they are going to get everything they want out of life. It would be great but we are mortal beings with a limited amount of time on Earth to get things done (at least physically). How much time does a world-class Chef spend "Healing" (a lot less time than his ACTUAL TIME cooking). You can heal every aspect of your life regarding the subject of food/cooking for years and go into the kitchen and still not be able to make one good meal. The problem I'm noticing is Motivation and Confidence not Fear and Healing.

Quote:"Healing-Therapy-Eliminating Fears" is a very profitable industry. A person doesn't have to be actually broken, you just have to make them believe they are (such as BIG PHARMA and some personal development out there such as Pickup Artist - not all of them).

Quote:If Shannon said, he would give $200 USD to every woman you approached using DMSI (solo), but you had to give a brief detailed explanation of each approach daily (by 11:59 pm EST) such as location, age, time of day, etc. these conversations about DMSI would be very different. I also bet it would get very competitive very quickly (so, how many did you approach today). NOBODY would be sitting back focused on "healing" or resistance" unless it was an absolute (obvious/definite). The goal in the example above would be (Confidence-Motivation) moving towards perceived pleasure vs (Fear-Healing) running/hiding from perceived pain.

Quote:There's also this obsession with IOI's (Indicator's of Interest.) Just because a woman shows interest, doesn't mean she's down to have sex with you. Indicator of INTEREST is NOT an Indicator of SEX. Women are "interested" or show signs of "interest" in men for very different reasons. Some for money, some for sex, some for attention, some to use you and manipulate you "because she can", some because they're lonely, some for social status and elevation, some for EGO and self-pride, some for personal revenge, and the list goes on and on....

Quote:The goal of this program, is to make a woman APPROACH YOU and ACTIVELY initiate a sexual sequence, regardless of what you look like or are wearing (external circumstances). An IOI is NOT an APPROACH. The picture I got when I heard women APPROACH YOU is either a celebrity/popular vibe (where she won't be socially chastised for approaching you) or for example a stripper, when she makes direct eye contact and starts walking towards you (even though the intention is money). In other words, the approach is very DIRECT and OBVIOUS (like giving someone money vs flashing money at someone).

Quote:This program seems to be evolving more towards Sex Magnet (Seducer), than AOSI/DMSI (Seduced). If this is occurring, I can see why people who bought it/contributed to it in the earlier stages would be upset or very critical. Consumers hate stagnation, and the bait-and-switch model which so many people have been "victims" by companies may be "triggering/anchoring" people.

(08-20-2016, 05:14 AM)Greenduck Wrote: I was thinking about DMSI and out ability to control our emotions.

- Could you make DMSI in such a way that the user could on will "turn on or off" the effect of the program?

Reasons why it would be valuable:
1) Not creating sexual tension when it is not 100 % appropriate
2) Being able to expand your emotional arsenal by controlling one more emotion (sexiness)

Ideas for how it could work
1) By holding either a thought or a symbol in the mind, the user could "activate" the program by association. When it had been done enough times, the user could recall the emotion at will, and making it as natural as thinking about something joyful and then become happy.

Am i off track? Would be cool if it would be possible though.

(08-20-2016, 11:00 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-19-2016, 03:00 PM)Churchill Wrote: Hey guys, quick question:
Does the occurrence of static while I play the ultrasonics imply that my subconscious is no longer getting the messages?

That depends on a lot of factors. Please elaborate.

(08-20-2016, 11:13 AM)CatMan Wrote: I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

(08-20-2016, 11:13 AM)CatMan Wrote: I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

(08-20-2016, 11:00 AM)Shannon Wrote: Point 3: It's damned hard to interpret what's going on inside a woman's body unless you have VERY intimate access to her.

(08-20-2016, 11:24 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(08-20-2016, 11:13 AM)CatMan Wrote: I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

The point, CatMan, is so that guys like me (bisexual) can still use the sub. I don't appreciate being enthusiastically "scrapped" btw.

Having said that, the solution I think would be to make a sub for attracting women where the wording of the script doesn't indicate the orientation of the listener.

I mean how hard could "women are sexually attracted to me" be to program? You don't need orientation parameters. However, making the sub "straight" is just as bad imo.