(07-09-2016, 06:14 AM)terry44 Wrote: Not sure real experiences can be 'stupid ass'. I was commenting on the superficiality of women, not getting angry about anyone stealing white women. And as I said, the black men I was talking about were friends. There wasn't resentment, just observation, over and over and over again. Oh and it wasn't their pickup ability or personality, the women made a beeline for them without them doing anything.

(07-09-2016, 06:58 AM)Dilettante Wrote: I am a hispanic-looking shorter asian man but I can relate to terry's and catman's dilemma. I don't get a lot of attention either. so yeah I don't have my +5 bonus either but I'm just as disadvantaged as white men in the dating game.

women like confidence and black men have self confidence whereas I willingly admit have doubts about myself. women in the west tend to be very self assured and confident this seeking a mate that supercedes her confidence.

it's also a pattern I've observed over and over, that black men, who are self confident (willing to approach hard and risk rejection) tend to go home with women from the club/bar/whatever at the end of the night. whereas my charming but demurred self goes home alone. It's definitely frustrating when women seem to choose the same type of guys over and over.

will you be discounting my experiences as stupid ass too?

(07-09-2016, 06:58 AM)Dilettante Wrote: I am a hispanic-looking shorter asian man but I can relate to terry's and catman's dilemma. I don't get a lot of attention either. so yeah I don't have my +5 bonus either but I'm just as disadvantaged as white men in the dating game.

women like confidence and black men have self confidence whereas I willingly admit have doubts about myself. women in the west tend to be very self assured and confident this seeking a mate that supercedes her confidence.

it's also a pattern I've observed over and over, that black men, who are self confident (willing to approach hard and risk rejection) tend to go home with women from the club/bar/whatever at the end of the night. whereas my charming but demurred self goes home alone. It's definitely frustrating when women seem to choose the same type of guys over and over.

will you be discounting my experiences as stupid ass too?

(07-09-2016, 06:35 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(07-09-2016, 06:14 AM)terry44 Wrote: Not sure real experiences can be 'stupid ass'. I was commenting on the superficiality of women, not getting angry about anyone stealing white women. And as I said, the black men I was talking about were friends. There wasn't resentment, just observation, over and over and over again. Oh and it wasn't their pickup ability or personality, the women made a beeline for them without them doing anything.

Oh yes, "real experiences" can MOST DEFINITELY be stupid-ass. You claim that you'd go to the club with your black friends, and the women would make a beeline straight for them because they're black.

While that MAY be a true story, what's "stupid-ass" is the assumption that they went for your friends because of their race, all other considerations notwithstanding.

Women tend to go for the highest value, highest status male in a group, PERIOD. If your argument is that society perceives black men as "higher status" than white men, I've got a bridge to sell you.

And since women don't NATURALLY approach (women are selectors, men compete for their attention), it's much more likely that your black friends were also:

* In better shape
* Taller
* Better dressed
* Better groomed
* Better at seduction (pro-tip: polarize the situation quickly, trying to be a "friend" puts you in the friendzone, regardless of the nonsense that women will tell you -- just look at what Shannon was saying a few threads ago about their cognitive dissonance)

And what's pissing you off about this situation, what's making you resentful is this: You thought your +5 white man bonus would elevate you above your black friends, and when it didn't, your ego and your feelz got hurt, leading you to resent black people.

And THAT'S what makes your "real experiences" stupid ass. It ain't the fact that it happened. It's your interpretation and subsequent response. Instead of lifting yourself up to the best that you can be, you blame an outside force beyond your control (and of all things to choose, "man, if i were black, my life would be better"). That's some serious mental gymnastics. I don't think you'd be able to handle life as a black man in America, holmes.

Like seriously, this is some Eliot Rodgers kinda mess. I think E2 to clear out faulty emotional beliefs and AM6 to make you feel like a high status man would help.

(07-09-2016, 07:40 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: But, I'll make myself clear: Screaming, "omg, you're discounting my experiences," means little to nothing to me because we're talking two different languages. I don't believe that every opinion is equal, I don't believe that every opinion has value, nor do I feel like I should respect everyone's opinion on virtue of "reasons".

(07-09-2016, 07:37 AM)eternitys_child Wrote: If you have enough of what she's looking for, the race factor won't play as strongly as you think.

And chaosvrgn, I know you make your judgment based on data from okcupid, but I don't think the way a woman thinks on a dating site is congruent with the way she thinks in a 1 on 1 interaction with a new guy she just met.
She HAS to make a selection, based on pre set parameters, in order to access the site and see her options. So the site gave her a bias before she even started browsing.

(07-09-2016, 07:42 AM)terry44 Wrote: Oh dear, you really do make a lot of 'stupid ass' assumptions. You know nothing about me or my experiences, or what my black friends looked like (not taller than me, or any better dressed, or into PUA - this was in the 90s) but think you know more about me and my friends than I do. For stupid ass arrogance that really takes some beating. I see absolutely no need to continue such a stupid conversation.

(07-09-2016, 07:50 AM)Dilettante Wrote: so that's a yes, you will discount everyone's experience and yours is the realest experience. Thanks for proving your arrogance. Goodbye.

(07-09-2016, 06:58 AM)Dilettante Wrote: I am a hispanic-looking shorter asian man but I can relate to terry's and catman's dilemma. I don't get a lot of attention either. so yeah I don't have my +5 bonus either but I'm just as disadvantaged as white men in the dating game.

women like confidence and black men have self confidence whereas I willingly admit have doubts about myself. women in the west tend to be very self assured and confident this seeking a mate that supercedes her confidence.

it's also a pattern I've observed over and over, that black men, who are self confident (willing to approach hard and risk rejection) tend to go home with women from the club/bar/whatever at the end of the night. whereas my charming but demurred self goes home alone. It's definitely frustrating when women seem to choose the same type of guys over and over.

will you be discounting my experiences as stupid ass too?