Subliminal Talk

Well, I have thought a bit about whether to start a journal or even post stuff about my DMSI experience. I was hesitant because I am diagnosed with ASD. Although the symptoms are rather weak, and people cannot tell I have it unless I tell them, I have symptoms. Given the ASD issues, I wasn't sure whether my posting will contribute to the improvement due to the symptoms and my differences, I thought, well why the hell not? People with ASD deserves to get improvements, and hopefully my sharing my experiences, thoughts and feelings will help Shannon build something better.

Well, let's start with my symptoms or what I have been diagnosed with.

1. ADD, this was the one I was first diagnosed. (Back in 2007, when I was in high school, and when I was suicidal and depressed.) The tricky part was that a specialist I saw back in my country didn't think I had ADD when she first saw me. She first thought I had Asperger's (it's replaced with ASD, autism spectrum disorder nowadays). After the testing, she said that I had both.

2. ASD, the specialist in my country (Korea) was the first one to diagnose it. But because of my two conflicting testing result, I did another test back in 2013/2014 in the US and the doctor who performed the test told me that my testing result from Korea was pretty accurate. (At this time I even did QEEG testing) Well, I suppose I have these two symptoms.

3. Executive functioning disorder, this was the most recent one added by my current therapist/specialist in ASD. Basically, what it is is that I have tremendously more difficult time keeping up with the routine, and following the schedules.

4. Depression, Well I have had depressions, and the very last formal report (2013/2014) stated that I have recurring, sub-clinical to clinical level of depression. (There was a specific term for this, but I can't remember). Now.... Hmm. I don't think I have depression, as I am not really depressed, but there can be a very few moments of times when I can have emotional outburst. Though I wrote it as emotional outburst, I never express it outside, even if I am by myself. When I have the outburst, I would be emotionally upset or sad for reasons that I am too sure about. It happens rarely but it happens. When it happens, pretty much my half to an entire day is ruined because that drains my mental focus away. But I am usually (if not 100%) better by the next day. I think the emotional outburst has to do with ASD.

Now let's talk about my subliminal history.

1. One issue I had with subs is being consistent. This had much to do with executive functioning issues that my sleep schedule was irregular, with the school work, sometimes my night would be too short, and etc.....

2. Anyway, I believe I started with attract romantic lover sub, for a few months (my listening wasn't that consistent due to the executive functioning challenges). (several years back)

3. Then, I moved to 5G version of Manifest sexual lover. I think I was on it for about 1~2 months (still having consistency issue, but I had much better consistency than the previous sub). I didn't manifest anyone () I realized was that I don't want anyone just for sex. I wanted romance, and a working relationship that would last and build on..... So I stopped listening to this sub.

4. I think I became content with the lack social connections/activities, and not having any romantic relationship. But at the time, I was in the need to choose between a few different graduate school options. I listened to US/LM combo for a while (about a month to month and a half), and I made my decision on the grad school. I left the United States to go back to my country. During my time in the country, I didn't listen to any subs, because I pretty much shipped everything to the new location I am studying.

5. I should have gotten back to US/LM, but I didn't. I don't remember why, but I didn't. And this was the time when I had somewhat a crisis moment. People with ASD typically have a difficult time adjusting to a new environment. I moved to a different area in the US (mid-west to East Coast), just moved from undergrad to grad school. All of these were posing challenges that with my executive functioning issue, I developed a sleep disorder that also needed to be dealt with. During these time, I wasn't even able to think about subs.

6. A pattern I noticed is that when my school is going well, and I don't have issues, I don't have that much issue of social needs. But when things start to go bad, then I start to pay attention to the lack of social issues. So after my first semester, I began seeing my current therapist, who is a specialist in ASD. I also did social training program. Did it make a difference? I am not necessarily seeing/feeling much difference, but my therapist is telling me that I am making a progress. Well, I have to say, at least I have been getting many conversational practices through all the ubers I had to take to see my therapist. (I don't drive, nor I have a car.)

Let's hear about your DMSI experience. Everyone's thoughts are valid, including people with autism spectrum disorder.

With the added thought/feeling the need to work on social side (everything else seems to be in order), I wanted to work more on it. Besides, I was starting to acknowledge more of my romantic and sexual needs from a woman/women. Before, I would pretty much deny or try to suppress that side of me. I do still have internal fight between one side telling me that I am never going to have any solid social life nor I will have any woman to love, and love me back. Thus, I should just find a way to suppress this side of human needs/want, and move on. This would be one side. The other side would tell me not to ignore those needs, and eventually something will work out. And this side of me was getting stronger and demanding more.

So I thought, well, let's see what happens if I were to go back to AYPRL, and if there would be anything done. So I started listening to it pretty much in the middle to near end of the semester, and I believe I have listened to it for about 3 months.

Here is one thing I noticed. People appreciate my intelligence and what I have to say in academic field or stuff that requires intelligent issues. Almost anything I say in the class spark stimulating conversations, and feel that people do appreciate that. Hell, almost all the professors tell me that I was a great addition to the class with different and new perspectives and the creativity that I added to the class. (Sometimes I get a chance to attend conference and have a chance to talk to leading scholars and they seem to appreciate what I have to say, and give me a productive feedback. I had a chance to talk to a former NASA scientist, and we were able to talk for several hours for intellectual issues.....)

On the other hand, that is the only thing people see me as, or see my value in. Perhaps I am going a bit extreme, but this the feeling I get. Almost nobody talks to me, or initiate a conversation. Yet, the people around always seem to be having a chat, talking on personal lives, forming social circles. Me? I am always excluded.

Then I saw the release of DMSI/AOSI. I thought, well, let's see if this will add to my value in addition to being an intellect/idea bank. Let's see if this will get people to see me as something else than just an intellect. And let's see if this will get people, especially women to start coming to me. Well these were the ideas.

Don't take this as a criticism, but have you thought about choosing subs that focus more on inner growth and development? It seems you've chosen a lot of subs that focus on external reality, manifestation, like attract romantic lover, manifest sexual lover, ultra success, luck magnifier.. Any reason you haven't gone with the more transformative subs like E2 or AM?

So I took a month break, which basically allowed me to start being on DMSI 2.2, the one with healing module in it. I have to say, I had some consistency issues like when I stayed up an entire night to finish an exam/paper for courses I am taking in the summer. In these cases, I was not listening to subs as I didn't want to have any mental exhaustion degrading my performances. So these times, I didn't listen to the sub. And these could last 2~3 days in a row and such. Nevertheless, I have to say that this is the one that I probably had the best consistency listening to the sub.

Anyway, I usually listened 3 loops, but sometimes I would listen to 4 loops. And most of the times I would listen to it while I sleep (as it is the easiest time to listen uninterrupted), but on occasion, I'd listen to it on a computer why I am awake. For both uses, I am using ultrasonic, using mp3 files while I sleep, and flac on computer. I searched app to use flac on my phone, but I realized that it would stop in the middle of the second loop. I believe the silent section basically turns the app off/making the phone going into silent mode. I gave up and use mp3 if I were to use on the sleeping time.

I suppose it makes about month and a few days since I pretty much used it from the release date.

Anyway, here are a few things I noticed.

1. I became much more diligent about cleaning my houses, and doing laundries. Before I listend to the subs, I'd not really clean, and do laundries if I had to. (Like when I run out of socks, underwear and the clothes) Luckily, I don't have a strong body odor that clothes were not smelling bad. Well, this is the bad side of living as a single and living alone, with no visitors coming whatsoever. (I remember that when I was in dorm, and just moved out, I was being much cleaner, but after a year or two, I became lazy in cleaning). Anyway, after listening to the sub, I spent hours on the weekends to dump garbage, did dishes, and doing laundries. I began with clothes, towels, bedding. I am doing one at a time, and cleaning more often, emptying garbage more often. Heck, I even spend some time to clean washroom extensively.

So how clean is the place? It's not perfect to my taste, but I think I wouldn't necessarily be embarrassed to invite a friend or a girl over.

2. I built a sudden liking for veggies. I didn't mind veggies, but I never really sought veggies out. During my first to second phase, my snack of choice was veggie stick with hummus...... (Before it would have been organic potato chips.) Right now, I don't have that much craving for the veggie sticks, but this was something I noticed. Nevertheless, I am looking at male enhancing herb formulas, and ordered bunch of them. They haven't arrived, but let's see how that goes later.

3. Extreme reduction on porn, and masturbation. Well, I now never look at porns, and my masturbation amount got reduced down to about 1/3 or even to 1/4. I only masturbate, when there is some very extreme high build up of needs, and I find that I ejaculate more semen. (Well, since I don't masturbate more often I probably have more reserved semen, but anyway, just wanted to share.) I'd have more frequent and stronger erection. Not that I had erection issues anyway, but I just feel that I have more frequent and stronger erections. And also, I find that I get turned on more by photos of real people than porn actress (although the only ones I watched would be in erotica style porn, not hardcore style porn). Oh and by the way, I am finding more that this build up to the need to masturbate is getting more extended. Say it was 3 days with no fapping was the limit (during the first to 2nd week), now it is extended to 3~4 days. Not much, but I am noticing the difference.

4. I get more naked?.... Well, usually in the summer, I would sleep and stay naked, when I am at home. (Remember that nobody visits me?) I find that I do more of this than before the sub.

5. I find that I feel hotter (temperature wise) at my house. Usually I set my APT temperature at 26 Celsius in winter. I find that about half of the time I find this temperature feels a bit too hot that I reduce down to 25. Some other times I am content with 26.

6. This is a very interesting one. I care less about appearance, not other people. Not that I cared much before, but before I leave my place to get a quick bite, I would wear something more appropriate, get myself to look neat. Now, I just go down with my indoor wear and get a quick bite and comeback. And in the past, I would look at the surrounding environment, seeing what people do, what they eat, and etc, but now, I pay close to zero attention, if not any attention. For instance, due to ASD, I don't really have any social activities going on, and the only times I would go out would be to go get food, grocery shopping, school, seeing therapist, and etc. In other words, I usually go out when there is a need. This side, hasn't changed. But what I find is that in the past, say I go to restaurant alone, and wait for waiter or food, then I'd look around to see what's going on, pay attention to environments and etc. Now, I don't pay attention. I take out my phone, play a game to kill time, or read news or emails...... I suppose I sometimes did that, but now it is almost always.

7. Because of 6, I cannot report any IOIs, and people do not seem any indifferent to me about how they react to me. Well, there was only one time that I got an oyster for being a regular. True, I have been a regular on the day they would have half priced burger. I wonder if the sub had anything to do with, but nevertheless, it is true that I have been a regular due to their special days.

8. I am being thinking of actually start doing online dating/tinder/other apps. I started reading related things, but I finding more issues and challenges associated with it. First, I need pictures, but since I have nobody to call to take picture, I don't have any good pictures. (Let alone I don't really have a picture about me.) I even thought about hiring professionals to take pictures, but they are expensive as hell, so that's a no go. Second, I find that I already need to have some established social activities to be successful. (Well, a photo of myself doing some social stuff, having good time with other people, and to write off as having hobbies, and doing other stuff, other than just doing school works..... in other words, I need to have a life like my neurotypical people to even have a shot at dating.) Well, there really isn't much to go around with. I find that my interests are too narrow that I wasn't able to find people with right interests. (Meetup didn't really work) And usually even if I go there, it isn't the right demographics. (Usually they are too much older than me.)

These are the changes I noticed since I started listening to DMSI V2.2. I suppose all the work was associated with internal works. Has it produced the intended goal? I don't think so nor I feel so. Yet, because my total ignoring the environment since starting the sub, I can't say if there were any iois. Besides, as a person with ASD, I'd be probably worse than many other people's ability to catch them. Thus, I am not entirely confident to say that there was no external work, or there wasn't any aura. However, I am confident to say that there wasn't any obvious change in people (especially women)'s behavioral differences, at least to me.

Well, I'll leave it there. I don't know how often I will update. I don't think I will update on a very regular basis. I'll update once I have something more concrete, or once I see a pattern. I think I'm going to stick a bit longer with V2.2, though I am not sure to stop listening to 2.2 and wait for 2.3, or continue using it until it is released and then switch right to 2.3.

(08-18-2016, 02:51 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]Don't take this as a criticism, but have you thought about choosing subs that focus more on inner growth and development? It seems you've chosen a lot of subs that focus on external reality, manifestation, like attract romantic lover, manifest sexual lover, ultra success, luck magnifier.. Any reason you haven't gone with the more transformative subs like E2 or AM?

Well, I suspected that someone was going to ask me this question. I didn't choose AM because I didn't have huge cash to throw at AM. AM costs $500, which I can't afford easily.

E2.... hmm. I don't know perhaps that would be a better choice, but since I am already working with my therapists and psychiatrists, I thought that it wasn't as needed, because I already have resources in dealing with them. And besides, I was able to purchase DMSI as I just had an extra cash that came in. (Therapy cost, and living cost is crazy high in the location that I usually don't have extra cash to throw at stuff. It was a coincidence that DMSI/AOSI caught my attention when I had extra cash.)

I can say that I definitely value your (and everyone else's) input and reports for DMSI.

I think you should switch to DMSI 2.3 when it comes out. Shannon said that 2.2 has 2 goals in it that go against each other (which means wasted energy when executing the program). So believe it or not, you're not getting the right "level" of results. 2.3 will correct that, but won't have the healing in it.

If you like the healing you've been getting though, you should save up and get E2 when you can. I'm on it now. It's slow, yet steady for me with the healing. Definitely digging deep.

Anyway, have a good run!

I'm just wondering, are you from ROK or the DPRK? I really hope someday they can be reunited, although that would be a colossal undertaking.

More relevant, I echo other's thoughts. Your experience is worth just as much as everyone else's. And your courage on documenting your somewhat unique struggle, may let other lurkers out there with similar issues know that it's okay, that their words and experiences are validated here, and in turn take the plunge to post themselves. That's one of the biggest drivers in me posting, to help others realise even very embarrassing things about yourself, can be opened up, to share and get and give support to others. Of course, ultimately if this is done, everyone benefits, as Shannon has a larger pool of knowledge and experience due to all the unique reports, and can improve the breed of programs further and further.

So really, it benefits us all. Thank you for posting, I look forward to reading more.

Thank you all for appreciating my sharing the experiences.

I was re-reading what I wrote, and I realized that I forgot to mention one thing. Sleep. Basically I find that waking up is so much easier than before. I also find that my waking up schedule is more consistent that I wake up at around 11:00AM. Before DMSI 2.2, my waking up pattern was much irregular, and I'd need easily an hour or more to fully wake up and get out of the bed. Now, I only need 30 minutes, and it's much easier to get out of the bed. Another thing to note about the sleep is that this pattern, and the schedule and ease of getting out of the bed is still the same even if I don't get 8 hours of sleep. Even if I were to get 6 hours or 7 hours of sleep this remained the same. Well, this wasn't necessarily true when I was super sleep deprived, like when stayed up for over 24 hours. At the same time, I don't remember if I used sub at all during these times, so it's a difficult call for the effectiveness over the sleep pattern.

Anyway, here is something I also realized yesterday. (or was more like a reminder) After posting all the stuff in the forum, I went down to a wine tasting event held at the apartment. A few people were there, including the girls who looked like they were in my age group. Was there anything I noticed? Not really. Nobody really came and talked to me, everybody was in groups engaging in chats. Anyway, I am finding that this type of event is one of the worst kinds of event for me to attend. Social networking events that are not professional or intellectual are the ones that is most difficult ones for me to get any social interaction done. Not that I am much better in the professional or intellectual settings, but I find that I do a bit better there, as there are conversations I can easily join and contribute. (Well, I suppose intellectual is better than professional ones in this case. I don't have any professional background as I have been a student in my entire life pretty much. But in general, I don't do well in social networking sessions.)

Also, initiating is very hard, not that it is easy for anyone else, but I'd think it would be more difficult for me due to my symptoms. Besides, I find that I am much better in social situations when someone else opens up for me. (approaching, initiating, or whatever you call it.) I suppose this is true for many other people too.

Given the above, I'd think that the impact of the sub would be more difficult to observe, unless it is very powerful to make it very obvious to an oblivious person like me.

I chose this program with a little hope to turn the table/game around to make it easier for me. I had a mind set of "let's see if this sub can make me soooo sexy to have girls approach me and opens up to me by starting a conversation, or etc." Let's see if it makes me more approachable.

I know that I am perhaps demanding too much here, especially given my circumstances. Well, but here is something I can say though. If this program provides what I hope for, if it can make a girl making super obvious to me that she is interested, then I'd have to say this program is damn powerful, and should work for most of the people. Which in turn, I suppose would say that I can be a good judge for the effective of the program. (Although I have so many other problems to be a good judge for the effectiveness of the program.)

@CatMan, I'm originally from ROK, not DPRK.

and @maxx55 and robstar, Your posts got me thinking a little bit about the healing module or healing in general, with specific context to the internal/behavioral changes I noticed from using DMSI V2.2. Cleaning up my places, eating more healthy, and less masturbation and pornography, I wonder if it is the healing module or it is the goal of sexiness that kicks in. Well, if I have a home that is completely trash, even if I were to bring a girl to my place, it will probably kill the sexiness factor. Eating healthy and less masturbation and pornography is probably more related to sexual energy/sex energy that I can see these being the sexiness factor as well. Yet, at the same time, these changes can examples validating the influence/effectiveness of the healing module. Sooooo...... it got me thinking about this a bit. In the end, what I think I need more is development part than the healing part. After all, I don't think being ASD is being sick. People on ASD have less developed aspects in their abilities and lives, so what they need, and what I need would be developing these less developed areas. I thought that DMSI would help me with that piece, as I think many of the issues can be addressed with experiences and fixing my projection of myself. I would hope that DMSI would fix that projection part, and in turn will provide experiences to help me develop less developed areas in my life.

Well DMSI V2.3 is out, and I downloaded flac and mp3 zip files. The flac zip file size was 1,048,462kb, and the mp3 zip file size was 421,593kb. Hopefully it is not a corrupt file, like some other people are experiencing.

Secondly, I had such a hard time trying to get the file into my old phone. (Which I use it as an music player, using my SONY docking station to play the stuff overnight.) Itunes kept refusing the sync the files, leaving it grey. I gave up searched online, and used copytrans manager to put the files in there. Damn all the updates and the transfer took me several hours, that I went to bed really late last night. Seriously, itunes is odd sometimes. It's supposed (or thought) to make it easy by limiting choices/ways to do things, but it is making thins more difficult......

My plan was to wake up early and go to a museum. After all, many museums are free in the area I am in now. Unfortunately, due to the iphone and itunes hassle, I slept really late and woke up late (I still managed to first open my eyes at 10:50AM.... (spillover from 2.2 experience?) but I really woke up at around 12:45 PM ish.) But then, I got an email this morning from my academic director about my concentration proposal, which again I spent several hours responding. So museum plan is gone, as I only have very small time before it closes. Well, at least the director really liking my idea, so it's good.

Anyway, I have a few questions regarding with the usage of DMSI V2.3. I wonder if I should take a week break, or if it would be okay to jump in right away. (It was still DMSI, but it had different goals, so I am not sure.......) Should I take 7 days break, a day break, or jump in right away? (I forgot to ask this, and jumped in right away last night with 3 loops......)

Next, what's the recommended number of loops to listen to? There are two instructions.

"The program has an odd audio length, caused by the Audio to Silence Ratio Balancer technology, so we refer to amounts of usage by the number of loops of exposure, not the number of hours of exposure. Each person may need a different number of loops per day to achieve the desired effects, depending on level of experience, age, looks, past experiences, fears, traumas and other variables, but it is generally going to be optimal at 7 loops per day. 4 loops per day gives secondary results; 2 loops per day gives tertiary results."

"To use this program, simply calibrate the volume and choose the track you wish to use. Generally, optimal usage will be [currently undefined] loops per day. Currently I recommend 3 loops per day. Please note that you must do all loops contiguously (back to back) in order not to break the ASRB technology and seriously degrade the performance of the program! If you exceed 7 loops per day, please exercise EXTREME caution, as this may potentially over-charge your system, potentially make you more attractive to others than is reasonable or safe, and produce results that are undesirable for or from yourself or others."

Which one is correct?

And lastly, I didn't realize that DMSI also had manifestation part in it. (Type A/B/D) Well, for last two days, (when I was still using V2.2) I saw more sexy stuff than I usually do. For instance, I saw a woman spreading her legs, while wearing a dress. She wasn't doing it to me, as she was focused on doing some stuff on her laptop. Besides I was too far for her to be doing that for me. Second, when I went to a food truck event and was about to leave, suddenly there was a strong wind lifting a woman's skirt...... (It wasn't necessarily the best view as she was too old and too fat for my taste.) Three, when I went out to a restaurant for dinner (alone as usual), I saw a girl with perky niples poking through her tank tops (she wasn't wearing a bra, I could tell), and when I was at a restaurant waiting for my bill, I was looking around. On left, (a little bit of distance, not too far), I saw a woman with a great breasts bending down to sign her check showing me her great cleavages. I recall that I also saw another woman's clevages and her bending down showing her great curve and ass. While waiting for a drink. For all of these women, I could tell and feel that they were not doing this to get my attention nor they had me in their attention, but I just find that these were interesting phenomenons as I do not really experience these as much.

Als,o in general, there seems to be many more girls around my age moved into my apt building. It seems that the general age of occupants have gone down more to reflect my age group. Huh. Interesting.

Well, it's hot here, and as it gets hotter and humid, we expect more skin exposure. But it is not that usual for me to see women's panties twice in a day, several bending down and several great clevages in the next day. So I am wondering if this is the sexiness manifested around me due to the sub.

Anyway, I hope someone can answer my questions.

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistency in the page for the program. I was too tired to finish working on it properly and I thought I was done. Officially you should be using 7 Loops per day or per night. You should definitely wait one week between 2.3 and 2.2. Otherwise we're not going to know what is 2.3 + what is 2.2. I'll get to the office to correct that page in an hour or two

Shannon I want to say thanks for your relentless approach to finding ways to make life better for others, we know you often sacrifice your own life and time for us..thank you for that as well and the icing on top is that your products are great,may riches fall upon you Thanks

Your post of seeing more 'sexy stuff' reminds me of when I tested 2.1 for a bit over a week.

One day I went to a beach town near me. I felt a little invisible but I was noticing these weird things. First a couple of girls laying on a bench on their stomach with their legs up, but it immediately hit me as being done in a sexual way. And I think there was another girl laying on the grass the same. And then standing there at the beach a group of girls and guys. I noticed no attention and felt invisible but this one girl climbed up on this wood railing and full on straddled it for like 10 seconds with her legs on either side and i'm like "WTF this is not normal" then her friend come over and pulled her off there.

Weird but just remembered when I read your post.