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07-06-2011, 02:10 PM
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Hey man, those will be fine. Because the range is accurate as to what's required. As long as it goes up to 20,000 hz you're fine. I've been using my 5 year old computer speakers and their range maxes at 20,000hz and they work fine.

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07-06-2011, 05:24 PM
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Yes, for ultrasonics, it's the maximum top end of the range of frequency response that matters, not the low end. So 20 kHz and up, and we don't really care what the low end is. Although the total range will tell you something about the overall quality of the speakers.

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05-02-2013, 04:01 AM
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Hello!

I have a question for anyone that is willing to answer Blush
I have been listening ASC for a couple of days now through my computer speakers, but I want to get more exposure. I have micro stereo music system that I want to use so I can listen to ASC ultrasonic while I sleep.

According to tech specifications I found online ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/70163906/Philips-MC105 ), my speakers should be able to reproduce it. So I burned ultrasonic on CD and it replays it normally but when I turn the volume up to maximum I can hear staticky noise. Does that mean that the speakers are not suitable for ultrasonic version after all?
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05-03-2013, 09:08 PM
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RE: Staticky sound on quality speakers
That means you have exceeded the volume at which your speakers can handle the audio reproduction without distortion. It is possible for speakers that are able to reproduce ultrasonic audio properly to have difficulty at high volumes because the resulting force creates distortion, which comes out as static.

If you follow the directions for setting the volume and still have the static... then there's something wrong with either the speakers or the player.

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05-08-2013, 12:21 AM
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RE: Staticky sound on quality speakers
(05-03-2013 09:08 PM)Shannon Wrote:  That means you have exceeded the volume at which your speakers can handle the audio reproduction without distortion. It is possible for speakers that are able to reproduce ultrasonic audio properly to have difficulty at high volumes because the resulting force creates distortion, which comes out as static.

If you follow the directions for setting the volume and still have the static... then there's something wrong with either the speakers or the player.

Ok, understood. When I follow the directions for setting the volume, there is no static. However, just to be sure I downloaded and burned the test speakers mp3 onto a CD and when I tried to replay it on my stereo, the stereo said there is no disc. So I burned another CD because I thought that something may be wrong with the first one, but the same thing happened again, it said there is no disc. Do you still think my speakers are fine or should I just get another set of speakers?

Thank you very much Shannon! Smile
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05-08-2013, 02:45 AM
Post: #46
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Hey Shannon when I turn the volume up to maximum on my speakers i can hear some voices,does that mean that the speakers are suitable for ultrasonic version of the sub...in the speakers specifications said that they can reproduce up to the 20000Hz...tnx Smile
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05-08-2013, 07:27 AM
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(05-08-2013 02:45 AM)dexserbia Wrote:  Hey Shannon when I turn the volume up to maximum on my speakers i can hear some voices,does that mean that the speakers are suitable for ultrasonic version of the sub...in the speakers specifications said that they can reproduce up to the 20000Hz...tnx Smile

I asked the same thing, so if you look up 2 posts above you will see that Shannon already answered that question Wink
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05-10-2013, 06:32 AM
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(05-08-2013 12:21 AM)cataleya Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 09:08 PM)Shannon Wrote:  That means you have exceeded the volume at which your speakers can handle the audio reproduction without distortion. It is possible for speakers that are able to reproduce ultrasonic audio properly to have difficulty at high volumes because the resulting force creates distortion, which comes out as static.

If you follow the directions for setting the volume and still have the static... then there's something wrong with either the speakers or the player.

Ok, understood. When I follow the directions for setting the volume, there is no static. However, just to be sure I downloaded and burned the test speakers mp3 onto a CD and when I tried to replay it on my stereo, the stereo said there is no disc. So I burned another CD because I thought that something may be wrong with the first one, but the same thing happened again, it said there is no disc. Do you still think my speakers are fine or should I just get another set of speakers?

Thank you very much Shannon! Smile

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05-25-2013, 06:31 AM
Post: #49
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(03-12-2010 07:03 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Just got word from a friend using the 2009 Alpha Male training set in the UK that this is the speaker he uses with good results, if it helps:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/XQUISIT-MB-7-POR...126&sr=8-2

I'm guessing this speaker is mono? Is that ok, because I read elsewhere that stereo speakers are recommended.

I've got these speakers:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SP-101-Powered-P...acme+sp101

They are listed as 20Khz and pass the speaker test (no static or interference) but I'm concerned that they may not be reproducing the ultrasonics well.

I'm really struggling to find some speakers that I know for certain will produce the ultrasonics correctly. I've tried but I just cannot get to sleep using the masked tracks so I would really appreciate it if someone with definite results from using the silent tracks could post their speakers (I'm using an mp3 player, not an iPod).

Thanks!
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05-26-2013, 09:05 AM
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(05-08-2013 12:21 AM)cataleya Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 09:08 PM)Shannon Wrote:  That means you have exceeded the volume at which your speakers can handle the audio reproduction without distortion. It is possible for speakers that are able to reproduce ultrasonic audio properly to have difficulty at high volumes because the resulting force creates distortion, which comes out as static.

If you follow the directions for setting the volume and still have the static... then there's something wrong with either the speakers or the player.

Ok, understood. When I follow the directions for setting the volume, there is no static. However, just to be sure I downloaded and burned the test speakers mp3 onto a CD and when I tried to replay it on my stereo, the stereo said there is no disc. So I burned another CD because I thought that something may be wrong with the first one, but the same thing happened again, it said there is no disc. Do you still think my speakers are fine or should I just get another set of speakers?

Thank you very much Shannon! Smile

After reading over the specs there good enough to reproduce the ultrasonics. Make sure you burned the cd to the proper format for what its asking for. When I say that I mean dont try to play a mp3 cd on the player if it doesnt play mp3s. Lots of software like windows media or itunes should automatically change the mp3 into a wav cd which is akin to compact disc playing.
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05-26-2013, 09:17 AM
Post: #51
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(05-25-2013 06:31 AM)Alta Wrote:  
(03-12-2010 07:03 PM)Shannon Wrote:  Just got word from a friend using the 2009 Alpha Male training set in the UK that this is the speaker he uses with good results, if it helps:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/XQUISIT-MB-7-POR...126&sr=8-2

I'm guessing this speaker is mono? Is that ok, because I read elsewhere that stereo speakers are recommended.

I've got these speakers:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SP-101-Powered-P...acme+sp101

They are listed as 20Khz and pass the speaker test (no static or interference) but I'm concerned that they may not be reproducing the ultrasonics well.

I'm really struggling to find some speakers that I know for certain will produce the ultrasonics correctly. I've tried but I just cannot get to sleep using the masked tracks so I would really appreciate it if someone with definite results from using the silent tracks could post their speakers (I'm using an mp3 player, not an iPod).

Thanks!

http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-2-1-computer-speakers

These may be on the pricey side but they reproduce the ultrasonics well and I prefer not to have to charge the speakers anyhow. On the volume changing speaker theres a lineout port to hook up mp3 player/ipod to. You dont need to have a computer to use these. Just hook it up to a surge protector or power splitter with a switch so you dont have to plug/ unplug the speaker everytime you use it. Set the subwoofer to minimum as you obviously wont need that for the ultrasonics.

Otherwise I recommend X-mini II speakers if you absolutely insist on usb speakers. Its 18 bucks on amazon but you have buy 2 for the whole stereo aspect. http://www.amazon.com/X-mini-XAM4-B-Mono...ni+speaker

The audio on them is great and the battery life is amazing even if you dont use them for a while.
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05-28-2013, 11:09 AM (This post was last modified: 05-28-2013 11:11 AM by Alta.)
Post: #52
RE: Staticky sound on quality speakers
cool, thanks for the suggestions. I'll trial my speakers for a bit but if no results I'll look into these.
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06-11-2013, 12:07 PM (This post was last modified: 06-11-2013 12:38 PM by Alta.)
Post: #53
RE: Staticky sound on quality speakers
ok I got one of the X-mini II speakers but when I run the audio test there is some interference audible after 20 seconds or so. It's not static, just sounds like tuning in a radio receiver, an up and down wavy pattern. When I play an actual ultrasonic track there is no sound at all. Subeternal I just wanted to check, have you used these X-mini speakers yourself with definite results?

I've been listening to the "Socialising is just a fun game" sub for 2 and a half weeks now and I'm not seeing any noticeable results just yet. Maybe it's too soon. But of course I am paranoid that my speaker aren't producing the ultrasonics well, even though the speakers I've been using (the ACME sp101) pass the speaker test fine.
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07-06-2013, 02:43 AM
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I've been using the x-mini II speaker with good results so I can confirm that this speaker definitely works for ultrasonics Smile
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01-25-2014, 05:46 AM (This post was last modified: 01-25-2014 05:48 AM by Alta.)
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(06-11-2013 12:07 PM)Alta Wrote:  ok I got one of the X-mini II speakers but when I run the audio test there is some interference audible after 20 seconds or so. It's not static, just sounds like tuning in a radio receiver, an up and down wavy pattern.

Shannon, any thoughts on the above? I have recently invested in some better quality speakers (Creative Gigaworks T20, rated 20Khz) and I've noticed the following:

The pulsing, "tuning in a radio" sound comes in at around 8 seconds.
It is audible in the right speaker only.
It increases with increasing treble. Setting treble to minimum reduces it, but it's still there.
At full volume I can hear a squiggly digital sound from the left speaker (imagine a 1980s film of a computer processing something - that type of sound).
I hear these sounds when using my laptop to play the speaker test as well (through the internal laptop speakers, the Gigworks and x-mini capsule speakers - all of which reproduce the ultrasonics well - no static).

When playing an ultrasonic track at full volume I hear absolute silence with the Gigaworks speakers.

So are these sounds just artifacts of the speaker test and not an indication of sub-standard speakers?
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03-26-2016, 10:15 AM
Post: #56
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(03-14-2010 04:38 AM)Shannon Wrote:  What you purchased, unfortunately, is not standard. I'll explain why.

Basics: Hz stands for Herts, which was a man's name, and which has now been applied to the concept of one cycle per second. So to say a frequency response range for a speaker is 180 Hz to 18 kHz means that the speaker won't start producing sound until it is given a signal that would equate to 180 vibrations per second. The lowest a typical human can hear is 22 Hz, and the lowest standard CD recording and playback frequency is 20 Hz. On the other end, you have your speaker working at a top end of 18 kHz, which is 18,000 cycles per second. Well above what a typical person can make out, but fully 2,000 Hertz below top end hearing and CD recording and playback upper limit. CD format standard is 20 Hz to 20 kHz. Anything but the cheapest speakers will follow this standard, and if what you bought wasn't correspondingly cheap in price, then you got ripped off.

In effect, what you have purchased is sub-standard speakers that were produced sub-standard to even the basic standard CD format specifications, no doubt because most people don't know what that stuff means and can't typically tell the difference anyway. However, our ultrasonic subliminals have a frequency range of 14.5 kHz to 20 kHz, so by limiting the upper band to 18 kHz, you don't cut out all of it, but you do distort it somewhat. It would be about like listening to ocean surf without any treble... it is still recognizable as ocean surf, but will sound off somehow.

Now given that you are dealing with ultrasonics and your system specs (I presume for the laptop) max out at 18 kHz (surprising and disappointing, to be sure - they cut corners everywhere they can these days to make an extra buck I guess), getting better speakers probably will not help unless you are stating that your built-in speakers max out at 18 kHz. If the speakers built in max out at 18 kHz, you should still be able to play 18-20 kHz sounds on standard speakers. In that case, I would either just use the ocean surf, or return your speakers and get some that are designed to at least standard spec for CD playback.

You can probably get results out of such speakers, but we go to great lengths to preserve those parts of the program above 12.5 kHz in pitch because that's where the subliminal audio is in an ultrasonic. So probably is the best I can say - I offer no certainty of success when these programs are played on non-standard speakers with non-standard frequency response ranges.

Just answer one question Shannon
i am using AM 6.0 ultrasonic tracks through samsung s advance mobile phone speakers is it ok??
as far as tab is concerned i have a mi pad 1 should i use it or start playing wave and trickling tracks using my earphones which is sondmagic es 18 noise cancellation in ear phones for maximum effect
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03-30-2016, 12:13 PM
Post: #57
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(01-25-2014 05:46 AM)Alta Wrote:  
(06-11-2013 12:07 PM)Alta Wrote:  ok I got one of the X-mini II speakers but when I run the audio test there is some interference audible after 20 seconds or so. It's not static, just sounds like tuning in a radio receiver, an up and down wavy pattern.

Shannon, any thoughts on the above? I have recently invested in some better quality speakers (Creative Gigaworks T20, rated 20Khz) and I've noticed the following:

The pulsing, "tuning in a radio" sound comes in at around 8 seconds.
It is audible in the right speaker only.
It increases with increasing treble. Setting treble to minimum reduces it, but it's still there.
At full volume I can hear a squiggly digital sound from the left speaker (imagine a 1980s film of a computer processing something - that type of sound).
I hear these sounds when using my laptop to play the speaker test as well (through the internal laptop speakers, the Gigworks and x-mini capsule speakers - all of which reproduce the ultrasonics well - no static).

When playing an ultrasonic track at full volume I hear absolute silence with the Gigaworks speakers.

So are these sounds just artifacts of the speaker test and not an indication of sub-standard speakers?

This happens because some part of the process in expressing the audio from being an electrical signal is unstable. In other words, the speakers fail.

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03-30-2016, 12:15 PM
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(03-26-2016 10:15 AM)kratosincarnate Wrote:  
(03-14-2010 04:38 AM)Shannon Wrote:  What you purchased, unfortunately, is not standard. I'll explain why.

Basics: Hz stands for Herts, which was a man's name, and which has now been applied to the concept of one cycle per second. So to say a frequency response range for a speaker is 180 Hz to 18 kHz means that the speaker won't start producing sound until it is given a signal that would equate to 180 vibrations per second. The lowest a typical human can hear is 22 Hz, and the lowest standard CD recording and playback frequency is 20 Hz. On the other end, you have your speaker working at a top end of 18 kHz, which is 18,000 cycles per second. Well above what a typical person can make out, but fully 2,000 Hertz below top end hearing and CD recording and playback upper limit. CD format standard is 20 Hz to 20 kHz. Anything but the cheapest speakers will follow this standard, and if what you bought wasn't correspondingly cheap in price, then you got ripped off.

In effect, what you have purchased is sub-standard speakers that were produced sub-standard to even the basic standard CD format specifications, no doubt because most people don't know what that stuff means and can't typically tell the difference anyway. However, our ultrasonic subliminals have a frequency range of 14.5 kHz to 20 kHz, so by limiting the upper band to 18 kHz, you don't cut out all of it, but you do distort it somewhat. It would be about like listening to ocean surf without any treble... it is still recognizable as ocean surf, but will sound off somehow.

Now given that you are dealing with ultrasonics and your system specs (I presume for the laptop) max out at 18 kHz (surprising and disappointing, to be sure - they cut corners everywhere they can these days to make an extra buck I guess), getting better speakers probably will not help unless you are stating that your built-in speakers max out at 18 kHz. If the speakers built in max out at 18 kHz, you should still be able to play 18-20 kHz sounds on standard speakers. In that case, I would either just use the ocean surf, or return your speakers and get some that are designed to at least standard spec for CD playback.

You can probably get results out of such speakers, but we go to great lengths to preserve those parts of the program above 12.5 kHz in pitch because that's where the subliminal audio is in an ultrasonic. So probably is the best I can say - I offer no certainty of success when these programs are played on non-standard speakers with non-standard frequency response ranges.

Just answer one question Shannon
i am using AM 6.0 ultrasonic tracks through samsung s advance mobile phone speakers is it ok??
as far as tab is concerned i have a mi pad 1 should i use it or start playing wave and trickling tracks using my earphones which is sondmagic es 18 noise cancellation in ear phones for maximum effect

I use subs on my cell phone all the time. It's mono, instead of stereo, which means it will take longer to produce the same impact, but it works. If you're willing to lose the full impact.

You don't want noise cancellation. Turn that off if you can, or use something without it.

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