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10-08-2017, 06:06 AM
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RE: Tarot thread
(10-07-2017 01:18 AM)Alpha360 Wrote:  King of heart is kind of a loving father that take the tough decision for the happiness of his child. It's a tough leadership position that require sacrifice for love Heart
Being upside down means you are stuck on that level and you aren't properly doing that behavior.

lol well I don't have a child
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10-08-2017, 07:23 AM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2017 08:37 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #42
RE: Tarot thread
It's an example, and it's symbolic, you can have a "father child" kind of relationship with something or someone or a theme of that in your life without being a father.
Take Shannon for example, we are like his children on this forum, he is taking care of us.
An upside down King of heart for Shannon would mean in the context of this forum that he is some kind of tyrant, not properly spreading the love Heart so to speak. Just to be sure it's an example again.
You can even have a "father child" kind of relationship with yourself by the way, you don't even need anyone or anything.

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10-10-2017, 02:01 AM (This post was last modified: 10-10-2017 02:03 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #43
RE: Tarot thread
I just drew another 8 of heart.
I drew it around midday so I know the first part of my day wasn't me being influenced by the card I drew the morning (self fulfilling prophecy)
So that morning I woke up with a very satisfying dream, sexually satisfying Blush It's rare I have a dream so satisfying and it wasn't about a girl actually or a boy, Non it's like there wasn't even male or female in the process.
I can't explain it but the feeling match the description of the 8 of heart.
Which is feeling at peace, inner balance of emotion, which aren't the result of an external thing but that you are balanced internally.
I felt that way this morning and even my dad complimented me which he never does usually as he is trying to work on himself.
Also today I tried to eat a lot less to feel more at peace with my digestion, to feel the least discomfort possible.

Out the 8 of heart story, there is a thing I'm working on. I noticed that when I eat too much at launch all the afternoon I can't help myself but to keep eating. And the more bloated my stomach is the more I keep it that way by eating again. It's like a downward spiral, I feel bad because I ate too much (it's a little discomfort mind you) and I want to eat again to feel good but the feeling doesn't last. It's like alcohol actually or cigarette, it's more subtle but the principle is the same. With alcohol you feel good after drinking but after a bit of time the feeling goes down and you drink again to keep the feeling up but the more you drink the more the good feeling go faster in the downward direction.
Same with food and the worst the type of food you are eating the faster that downward spiral go. But even with the healthiest type of food there is still a minimum of discomfort, a very subtle one but still there.
I feel the best the morning when I have nothing in my stomach

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10-10-2017, 11:20 PM (This post was last modified: 10-10-2017 11:22 PM by Alpha360.)
Post: #44
RE: Tarot thread
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Cla4O...sp=sharing

Maybe this would some to see that Shannon isn't lying when he says he is in a bad period.
On my Card software for his 44 year Shannon got his Sun and Mars Shamed in the Sun Card. This shame should be felt particularly for around 2 month after his birthday (because the beginning of the year is our birthday). His Sun is very good in his birth spread so I'm sure he can get over it.
But what it means is that he is in bad period. The Sun is our ability to confidently do our job, to follow our path in life. When it's shamed it is hard to so, there is a theme of failure when that happen.
The fact that his Mars is also shamed during that period also means that his ability to get things done isn't at his best either as Mars is our ability to get things done.
Curiously he said to wait until March. Before March all the cards are in Clubs which isn't best to get things done, it's mainly talking and thinking ideas or being social. After March all the cards are Diamonds, which is good to get things done.

In my first post I also talked about his 44 year in case you missed it.

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10-20-2017, 12:55 PM
Post: #45
RE: Tarot thread
What's the thing with Saturn and Karma actually ?
Are those associated with Saturn in a way or another screwed since the start ?

I was going through an old book about mantras and found an interesting part about working with mantras to soften planetary karma. "Especially from saturn" it said. The author advised to work with mantras for the specific planet we struggle the most with.
And I thought about your thread Alpha.

So, what's the deal with Saturn anyway ?

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10-21-2017, 12:35 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 12:37 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #46
RE: Tarot thread
Saturn is the karma planet yes, it's makes us see reality as reality.

I talked extensively about Saturn on the astrology thread.

Usually most old book, especially books wrote in the dark age tend to see Saturn as the most devilish planet. Satan and what not.

But Saturn is actually a very good planet like every planet it represents an aspect of God.

Saturn is associated with the 7 card in Tarot, as it's the seventh planet.

Usually the strongest your Saturn is the easier you will handle the harsh reality of the world. Bad Saturn gives big ego and inability to deal with failure, hardship, criticism.
Usually everything that is slow and hard is ruled by Saturn. Saturn gives perseverance. I think a good example of someone with a very good Saturn is the movie with Dicaprio "The Revenant" That guy if he existed had to have a very powerful Saturn to want to survive all those things he endured (A good Saturn gives the ability to deal with harsh cold weather by the way)

That's why that book recommended mantra for Saturn, It's actually a very good recommendation. It boost Saturn strength, remove some layer of the ego, so makes life easier to handle.

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10-21-2017, 01:24 AM
Post: #47
RE: Tarot thread
Thanks for clarifying. But I'm still confused, is Saturn actually the cause of a harsh reality in one's life ?

I always wanted to work with planetary energies. What would happen after repeated andeavors with a given planet ? Will I embody the platenary energy and witness some transformation ?
I mean, will someone working repeatedly with Mars improve its masculinity ?

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10-21-2017, 02:03 AM
Post: #48
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You should witness a transformation but it's a slow process, it doesn't happen overnight.
I didn't experiment that much with planetary energy yet.

Mars is not masculinity though, Sun is. Mars is usually associated with masculine but it's not pure masculine energy. The Sun is 100% Masculine and the Moon is 100% Feminine.

Look for Ryan Kurzack video on youtube, he works a lot with planetary energy. He even has a complete course on his website about it. I think at some point I will do it.

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10-21-2017, 02:12 AM
Post: #49
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Quote:You should witness a transformation but it's a slow process, it doesn't happen overnight.
Obviously.

Quote:Mars is not masculinity though, Sun is. Mars is usually associated with masculine but it's not pure masculine energy. The Sun is 100% Masculine and the Moon is 100% Feminine.

Look for Ryan Kurzack video on youtube, he works a lot with planetary energy. He even has a complete course on his website about it. I think at some point I will do it.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
But I find curious that people calling the feminine energy/power within themselves attract women. And those calling masculine energy within themselves attract men.

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10-21-2017, 02:14 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 02:16 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #50
RE: Tarot thread
(10-21-2017 01:24 AM)Plouf Wrote:  Thanks for clarifying. But I'm still confused, is Saturn actually the cause of a harsh reality in one's life ?

It's not clear cut, each planet when not well placed can be the cause of a harsh reality.
But Saturn is directly linked to the reason you are born, you are born to work on your Saturn, Saturn represents concrete reality. Concrete reality is that some people dies every day, that some death seems unfair, that it takes time to build a company, that people stab each other in the back. One way to work on your saturn is just to survive, no need to do anything more.
Another aspect is survival of the body or race, Saturn represent animals in the wild trying to survive to the harsh reality of life, killing for surviving. Someone with a good Saturn will strive to survive no matter what, even killing others if he has to.
It's a bit like a game, like in Matrix. Saturn makes you think that reality is real, that you need to kill for surviving. And you have to pretend that it's real Popcorn

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10-21-2017, 04:08 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 06:16 AM by Determined.)
Post: #51
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(10-21-2017 02:12 AM)Plouf Wrote:  
Quote:You should witness a transformation but it's a slow process, it doesn't happen overnight.
Obviously.

Quote:Mars is not masculinity though, Sun is. Mars is usually associated with masculine but it's not pure masculine energy. The Sun is 100% Masculine and the Moon is 100% Feminine.

Look for Ryan Kurzack video on youtube, he works a lot with planetary energy. He even has a complete course on his website about it. I think at some point I will do it.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
But I find curious that people calling the feminine energy/power within themselves attract women. And those calling masculine energy within themselves attract men.

Plouf, read some David Deida. He lays it all out really well

In essence, you will always attract your polarity. Attraction is polarity.
Highly masculine men will attract highly feminine partners and vice versa.

Masculine energy is; mission, purpose, direction
Feminine energy is; to be loves light, to be pretty, to be beautiful

As my last gf said "if she could wear every single piece of jewellery ever made all at once, that would be amazing" She's speaking about the essence of femininity - being loves light, that pretty thing that everyone must look at.

There is also "neutral polarity" which is where many married couples end up. It's important for a healthy sexual relationship that the polarity remain intact, masculine and feminine.

On a side note, something I've noticed. The two guys who ran SM and turned bi-sexual also have a strong feminine energy.

Should also be noted that everyone has their own balance of masculine/feminine energy and this can and does change over time. Some people start expressing more of one side or more of the other
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10-21-2017, 05:12 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 05:51 AM by DarkPlouf.)
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RE: Tarot thread
Quote:In essence, you will always attract your polarity. Attraction is polarity.
Highly masculine men will attract highly feminine partners and vice versa.
Well that's what I thought but look:

Quote:Om Nama Shivaya
Use this mantra to salute the masculine nature (as embodied in Shiva). It is especially indicated for clarifying one’s own masculine aspect, which inevitably attracts the energy of a compatible man.

If I embody masculine energy, I should be more masculine, right ? So why would this attract men instead of women ?

Quote:Om Shrim Shriyei Namaha
This simple mantra invokes the Great Feminine within – which also attracts it from without. Used with pure intent, this mantra can draw the interest of a woman who is especially compatible with you
If I invoke the feminine within, I'm going to bo more feminine, right ? So why would women be more attracted to me ?

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10-21-2017, 05:29 AM
Post: #53
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I'd disregard those mantras.
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10-21-2017, 05:50 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 05:54 AM by DarkPlouf.)
Post: #54
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Well, it's not just about the mantras.
It has to do with planetary magick in the first place.
I read about someone who turned gay because he was working too much with feminine energy. (to attract women)

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10-21-2017, 05:56 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 06:02 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #55
RE: Tarot thread
Feminine is "self love". Masculine is "self respect".
You need both, I wouldn't say it's about amount, but more about having an healthy feminine and an healthy masculine. And most important to have a minimum of both.

Here is 2 extreme examples:
-An highly super masculine man, without any feminine, which rarely happens just doesn't care about women at all; he doesn't care about socials contact, he may even indirectly hurts others as he doesn't even understand feelings. He might works 24 hours a day on his project. He also rarely change his mind, so much so that he never stop doing something even when it start to become useless.

-An super feminine man, without much masculine quality. He will spend all his time in social circles, chasing women all day, never working on himself alone, he will love one thing then next day change his mind. It will be all about sharing, and contacts but nothing to hold things together.

Now this is 2 examples but reality isn't that extreme.
And there is another thing in my opinion which isn't the quantity but how healthy that side is.
A man can be super feminine in an healthy way, meaning he doesn't hurt other feelings while doing it, because it's self love and if you love yourself you don't hate others. But the guy would still be somewhat lazy and you wouldn't put trust in him and his might change his mind or just forget about it.
Just like a super feminine woman, you feels great around her energy but you wouldn't count on her for a leadership role that require extreme sacrifice.

Then there is unhealthy masculine side. This is narcissism. A very masculine man but that doesn't really respect himself so he won't respect others either. Most of the world leaders today have some degree of that. This happens when your Sun is afflicted.

In my opinion extremes tend to attract more quantity, unhealthy extremes too.
-Extreme healthy masculine would attract but the guy wouldn't care at all, even Shannon isn't there yet in my opinion. So in reality sex would rarely happens with that kind of guy, that kind of guys wouldn't care about emotions or sex or connection as he is in direct connection to God, he doesn't require any connection or love, as he is love himself, completely independent. Or so he would think.

-Extreme healthy feminine would attract the most women in my opinion, I would say something like WM2 would make that happen more effectively. There is actually an avatar of the moon in Hinduism, and that avatar had sex with more women that you can count. Supposedly that love or sex with him was a direct connection to "God"

PS: I don't think too much feminine turn you gay. That's another thing.

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10-21-2017, 06:10 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017 03:17 PM by Alpha360.)
Post: #56
RE: Tarot thread
One thing that may surprise you; if you want to have a woman to stick around I think you would want that she has a good masculine side. Or a good Saturn.

In my opinion the worst kind of women you can date have very unhealthy Saturn or Sun or both of them very afflicted.

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10-21-2017, 09:11 AM
Post: #57
RE: Tarot thread
Optimal balance of energy looks like the Yin Yang symbol.

Yang is white and masculine with a circle of black, Yin feminine inside (Representing a Male)

Yin is Black and feminine with a circle of white, Yang masculine inside (Representing a Female)

Combine the two and you have balanced polarity attraction between Male and Female as demonstrated in the symbol.

Alpha360 is right, too much of one is unhealthy and unbalanced. The challenge is to cultivate balance and allow that expression.

https://www.tonyrobbins.com/ask-tony/polarity/

Tony Basically summarises a few chapters of David Deida here
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10-29-2017, 09:45 AM (This post was last modified: 10-29-2017 10:02 AM by Alpha360.)
Post: #58
RE: Tarot thread
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Jim Carrey is really an interesting person to study.
He is a Jack of Diamond, his ecliptic card is a King of spade. This 2 cards are really obvious in his life.
The jack of Diamond is a tricky card as it’s not like the other jacks, for Jim Carrey it is his “live in the moment” style of life. Jack of Diamond like to enjoy every moment and spending a good time. They find value in the present moment, sharing moments.
Actually they may appear as lazy to some people from one point of view.
I talked a lot of the King of spade already, in his personality it is obvious as in multiple interviews he proclaimed that he longer exist, that he killed his ego. And the King of spade is exactly that, it’s the death card. A lot of his humor is spiritually oriented and every king are spiritually oriented, it's more obvious they are evolved.

Not every Jack of diamond is going to have that obvious King of spade transformation. I have a friend with that card and I see more the Jack of diamond than the King of spade but it may change as my friend is still young. Remember that the ecliptic card is the path, they are going toward that card more and more over time, so it may no be as apparent when they are young.

The queen of heart is also apparent , in a lot of his movies he is trying to keep his marriage or have a long term relationship that works, a genuine long term relationship. The Queen of heart is exactly the card that is able to focus on long term love. He has a lot of shamed planet in that card though so it is maybe why he is making movies about the difficulty of long term relationship. I didn’t watch all his movies but in the movie where he plays God the main theme is his Marriage, besides the spiritual aspect.

On the why he talks so much and so fast: It’s not obvious with cards but with astrology it’s obvious.
His mercury, the planet of communication is closely conjunct Jupiter, making his mercury twice as powerful.
And like it wasn’t enough his mercury won a planetary war against Jupiter, so his mercury took the strength of his Jupiter. You can see that in Shadbala screenshot I took. His mercury has 687 points of strength, that’s an insane amount of points. His moon (the personality) is also in a mercury card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgh8HI3y-i4

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10-29-2017, 02:33 PM
Post: #59
RE: Tarot thread
what card you see for dmsi 3.2?
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10-29-2017, 05:37 PM
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Better yet 3.1 he needs a birth time and the birth time is in the news section.

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