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01-19-2017, 03:32 AM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 03:32 AM by Alpha360.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
NG certainly did help with porn though, I remember I lost all interest for porn while using NG.
I do get normal erection even when I'm on porn though, and I certainly didn't need to wait 9 month to get a normal erection. My guess is that you are hypnotising yourself Catman while looking at what porn do to your brain and it actually does it because you are believing it, then you add fear, anxiety on top, making it a self fulling prophesy. That's why I don't want to read website like Brain on porn and other stuff that are limiting to your mind. While Porn could cause some effects I don't believe it is this problematic unless you really believe it is.

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01-19-2017, 04:03 AM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 04:10 AM by CatMan.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
It's odd but over time you become sexually attracted to women through a screen in porn, and not in real life anymore. Even women around me that I thought of as objectively attractive, my penis wouldn't even so much as budge when they were with me, dressed sexy, up against me, touching me...you name it and pretty much zero response from the penis. And I had trouble seeing any kind of real world IOIs, because I was so used to seeing ridiculous over-the-top porn-fueled IOIs, still struggle with this part. I was actually worried about being in a situation where I could've had sex with a girl due to this, because I knew I had PIED, pornography-induced erectile dysfunction (that ED drugs can't fix mind you, as those fix problems in the penis, whereas this one is in the brain) that I knew would take a very long time to heal and it has. But throw on one of my favourite porn videos though, and I could, with increasingly amounts of effort over time, get some kind of erection. It's very strange, and only became a phenomenon with streaming porn. Stuff like Playboy was not capable of causing this effect. I think because the pictures require imagination from your part, whereas you're a cuckholded voyeur in video porn, creating deep-rooted deservedness issues and pedestalisation, self esteem problems with women etc. Many doctors still doubt it's real, but my sexual interest in real life women compared to virtual ones, and my penis being incapable of an erection due to porn use, is real life proof enough for me. Trust me, porn is bad news...I thought it was harmless too, but it was doing it's damage in the background. Dr. Wilson who runs yourbrainonporn.com says that guys typically only take action with porn once they notice erection problems. I had erection problems for awhile, but didn't know of the connection to porn until a member here posted a video called "The Great Porn Experiment" from Dr. Wilson. It explained my troubles in clear detail with zero doubt. That day, quit porn. I'm now clean for 586 days Smile.

More people are wising up over time though. I suspect in time, it will be made illegal. Which is good anyway, it did nothing for me but screw my mind up and help cause me serious problems with women.

Anyway, I don't wish to derail this thread further. I'll give NG a try now since I'm on rest from DMSI anyway.
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01-19-2017, 08:57 AM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 09:04 AM by Alpha360.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
You didn't get what I said previously you should wait at least 32 days before using any other brain programming tools. Having use both hypnosis and NG I can tell you they are similar. I doubt that a change which occur within a 3 to 5 days period is not some kind of hypnosis. To me NG is, they are using another name and it's mostly visual but there is hypnosis in it to me. EFT is another kind of hypnosis too, there are just using different method but it's the same basis (a mind programming tool) under a different name. There was another one to that came up recently with a different name supposedly better than EFT, it's all the same, it's hypnosis remastered. Doesn't mean it's less effective and more effective, it's just another form of hypnosis to me.

Here is another version of hypnosis right here, under a different name;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABdmjaUwbE
If you have studied hypnosis or NLP (yet another name) you can recognize right away that they are using it. You have the screen that is formed like an eye sleeping to put you in trance, the word they use, tell you to close your eyes, remember a past experience etc, even the fast motion is part of it at end. But they are using the term Auditioning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ALoW_yppI


Also maybe in Porn they are also using subtle hypnosis trigger that actresses does, over time the trigger has more impact so maybe a part of population is more impacted by this erectile problem. Maybe they use some fear trigger or a trigger linked to pleasure, that's maybe why it's more effective on a part of the population and not others.
With the porn industry earning so much money I wouldn't be surprised that some of them are using NLP to get people more addicted.

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01-19-2017, 11:46 AM
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@alpha360

I've done tapping, meditation, and NG during subs. It didn't affect them at all. But that's just my experience.

I think guys should prioritize clearing over subs. Otherwise we'll keep having SM3 runs without anyone getting laid. The subs work, but not if your subconscious resists it.

@Catman

Great job man on doing NoFap! Give NG at least 21 days until you judge the results. I know it's weird, but if it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid. PM any questions if you have any.
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01-19-2017, 01:44 PM
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
(01-19-2017 04:03 AM)CatMan Wrote:  It's odd but over time you become sexually attracted to women through a screen in porn, and not in real life anymore. Even women around me that I thought of as objectively attractive, my penis wouldn't even so much as budge when they were with me, dressed sexy, up against me, touching me...you name it and pretty much zero response from the penis.

That's crazy. Even at times before AM6 where I watched porn everyday I always had stronger responses in the real world erection wise than with porn. Lol, at times I had the impression my sex drive in real world was also stronger at the time I watched porn. But could be imagination.

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01-19-2017, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 02:18 PM by Alpha360.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
@Geo,

Let's do this Geo, I think you are over doing it right there. Just the title of the thread reveal itself as a magic solution. "The Solution to your Women issues", seriously you would have said AM6 I would have agreed with you partially as it focus on inner growth but NG well it's not what I imagine as a solution sorry, maybe a quick fix.

And then this :

Quote:I think guys should prioritize clearing over subs


What do you think DMSI and E2 are for? there is even a special clearing version for DMSI.

Now EFT, meditation, NG have their place as an alternative but I don't think they can compete with subs.

Just so we are clear I don't mean to discredit you work with EFT or NG or anything but the way you are presenting it is out of proportion.

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01-19-2017, 03:15 PM
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
(01-19-2017 02:17 PM)Alpha360 Wrote:  @Geo,

Let's do this Geo, I think you are over doing it right there. Just the title of the thread reveal itself as a magic solution. "The Solution to your Women issues", seriously you would have said AM6 I would have agreed with you partially as it focus on inner growth but NG well it's not what I imagine as a solution sorry, maybe a quick fix.

And then this :

Quote:I think guys should prioritize clearing over subs


What do you think DMSI and E2 are for? there is even a special clearing version for DMSI.

Now EFT, meditation, NG have their place as an alternative but I don't think they can compete with subs.

Just so we are clear I don't mean to discredit you work with EFT or NG or anything but the way you are presenting it is out of proportion.

Ok.
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01-19-2017, 03:24 PM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 03:24 PM by Benjamin.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
What Alpha360 is saying is the problem. You make a thread that promises magical solutions and tell people to use all these other methods with subliminals that do nothing but disrupt them as proven every time i've done other methods with subliminals and others that have mentioned the same.

Then people come to us and complain "oh the subliminal didn't work" because they used other things at the same time.

As for natural grounding, I did it months on end. Brought most of Rion's programs and really got into it. Once or twice it showed interesting results, like one night going out with no fear but in the longer term it showed none of the promised benefits, just made me weak, emotional and unable to take the action needed if a girl was interested because it lacked masculine energy.
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01-19-2017, 03:34 PM (This post was last modified: 01-20-2017 11:24 AM by RisingSon.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
(01-19-2017 03:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  unable to take the action needed if a girl was interested because it lacked masculine energy.

Well, with NG, you are supposed to supply the masculine energy.
The media girls sort of draw it out of you, your masculine presence, as you watch and be immersed.

The problem with NG in the West is that even if I do NG, I don't see that level of blatant interest nor openness from women. Thus, my masculinity is not really expressing in it's full form. Instead, the non-submissive behavior, assertiveness and bad attitudes from most Western women drives me into conflict mode where I want to compete with them and beat them. That's the dysfunction of the West with it's snooty bitches. It's all sexual economics, because as a white guy if I traveled to SEA or another place where my type was in demand then I could have a much better time and be treated accordingly.

Addit: Yeah, the West drives men into becoming hypermasculine is another thought of mine. That's why I was like Shannon, the rape prevention is a bad idea because a good section of women seemingly literally want to be overpowered and ravished here. Heh... 50 Shades of Grey, anyone?
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01-19-2017, 03:39 PM
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
Hmm interesting, I can't say it seemed to have that effect. It more drained that energy out of me where I had it more before natural grounding. Sedona Method had a similar effect on me too though.
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01-19-2017, 03:43 PM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 03:46 PM by RisingSon.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
If you are getting drained easily you might want to look into grounding yourself - literally. Like walking on the Earth barefoot to restore and balance your energy levels... Oh yeah... NG should mainly be for inspiration, is my take. It certainly helped me sort out what was the social matrix and status seeking vs true sexuality and creativity.
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01-19-2017, 04:19 PM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2017 04:19 PM by Benjamin.)
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I did notice that effect actually. Now that you say that I feel I got some of that from E2 aswell. A certain 'bitchiness' and also the type that cake on makeup all over and are really stuck up just turns me off.

Funny, I just come across this and thought i'd post here. I haven't watched porn for a few years myself.

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01-20-2017, 08:42 AM
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
(01-19-2017 03:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  What Alpha360 is saying is the problem. You make a thread that promises magical solutions and tell people to use all these other methods with subliminals that do nothing but disrupt them as proven every time i've done other methods with subliminals and others that have mentioned the same.

Then people come to us and complain "oh the subliminal didn't work" because they used other things at the same time.

As for natural grounding, I did it months on end. Brought most of Rion's programs and really got into it. Once or twice it showed interesting results, like one night going out with no fear but in the longer term it showed none of the promised benefits, just made me weak, emotional and unable to take the action needed if a girl was interested because it lacked masculine energy.

Sorry man. This is just my personal experience and I've noticed that several guys have serious issues on here that may be beyond the scope of these methods to solve.

Every single guy I've worked with via Skype, or if I know them in real life are getting great results. A lot of issues with the guys on here is that they're doing this stuff without any guidance. They'll just read my threads and experiment on their own.

You are the only negative testimonial I've ever gotten from someone I worked one-on-one with. I'm not mad, I'm genuinely glad for your honest feedback. It helped me tremendously and allowed me to continue to enhance and evolve my method. I still to this day like you and consider you a friend.

My main issue is that I have the key to solving the problems of so many guys and unless I'm talking to them one-on-one, shit gets lost in the translation. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this, but objectively it's worked amazingly in my life and the life of my friends.

If you need me to delete all of my threads or whatever, let me know. I'll do whatever you need.
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01-20-2017, 10:15 AM
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It's the way you are saying it that doesn't match Geo, You are giving guys a magic solution. Even Shannon doesn't pretend that his Sub are some kind of magic tool that will cure all your women issues. Even with his powerful subs he could say it but he doesn't. You are creating too much expectation with your posts even if it really works.

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01-20-2017, 11:11 AM
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@Geodude

Do you take part / have any experience in alchemy (transmutation) ?

Meh https://youtu.be/Q5pggDCnt5M
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01-20-2017, 11:22 AM
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(01-20-2017 11:11 AM)dweller94 Wrote:  @Geodude

Do you take part / have any experience in alchemy (transmutation) ?

NG is the best example of sexual transmutation I know of. Napoleon Hill talks about it in "Think and Grow Rich" I think.
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01-20-2017, 11:38 AM (This post was last modified: 01-20-2017 01:45 PM by RisingSon.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
Yeah, yeah, yeah... Natural Grounding. Goddess energy. Hahaha... Celestial nymphs and Dakinis are not Human females, that's for sure.
Even cutesy Asian women have the same whorish nature that will only be empowered in the West. Look at how sour k-pop has gotten recently.

I'm convinced you basically have to break the social conditioning. Like in the Italian film Swept Away (1974). Man, that was a great movie. I'm surprised Rion recommended it, but he did. It's a raw romance film, written and directed by a woman which would be surprisingly 'misogynistic' these days.

Then there's my favorite banned book, by a Muslim scholar who processed Brent Smith and Rion's material titled Enslave Her.
It really sucks that it got pulled off Amazon by some haters or simps.

Basically the premise of this book is that as a man, you must dedicate yourself to a Higher Truth. You must serve this Truth, ponder it, and be able to express the meaning of it to women along with how it fulfills you. Then the natural order is for women to follow and serve you, very willingly, because this triggers a certain "blissful compliance mechanism" in them. He goes on to say that you cannot enslave a natural woman, but since all Western whores have gone against the natural order, they have this "naughty girl complex" to be triggered and have the secret desire to be punished/put in bondage. Such is the price for struggling against her own nature and why so many of them are living hollow unsatisfied lives, propped up on psychiatric drugs. What a nightmare. Which must be corrected with patriarchal tribalism, he concludes.
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01-20-2017, 11:39 AM
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Ok I'm gonna join in the discussion here because NG isn't all bad. It's a tool and it's all about how you use it. That being said, I really disliked how these women are portrayed as authentic or "natural" in the instructions without knowing anything about them. The surface level on the video, yeah they were portraying cute feminine behavior. But it's manufactured, no different than how sex sells in the West. That's what always bugged me, you were told to meditate on these idealistic representations of these women.

That being said, I still see value in it if you can't visualize. It's like getting wrapped up in a movie and losing awareness, your mind gets convinced what it's seeing is real and you respond to it emotionally.

But ideally no guy would need NG if he has enough growth. The ultimate level of success would be someone who can cultivate that level of self love and validation without any external source. If someone engages in NG then there is still an inherent need for something outside of themselves which points towards something that can be worked on. I can see NG being used to get the ball rolling and feed that need, but after a while I feel like it's necessary to cut it off and understand where it really comes from.
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01-20-2017, 11:51 AM
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
(01-20-2017 11:39 AM)mat422 Wrote:  Ok I'm gonna join in the discussion here because NG isn't all bad. It's a tool and it's all about how you use it. That being said, I really disliked how these women are portrayed as authentic or "natural" in the instructions without knowing anything about them. The surface level on the video, yeah they were portraying cute feminine behavior. But it's manufactured, no different than how sex sells in the West. That's what always bugged me, you were told to meditate on these idealistic representations of these women.

That being said, I still see value in it if you can't visualize. It's like getting wrapped up in a movie and losing awareness, your mind gets convinced what it's seeing is real and you respond to it emotionally.

But ideally no guy would need NG if he has enough growth. The ultimate level of success would be someone who can cultivate that level of self love and validation without any external source. If someone engages in NG then there is still an inherent need for something outside of themselves which points towards something that can be worked on. I can see NG being used to get the ball rolling and feed that need, but after a while I feel like it's necessary to cut it off and understand where it really comes from.

Yep. You get it. Smile

The most successful guys who have used NG went from lacking women to being totally fulfilled with women (Even though they were basing their fulfillment off of videos). Unsurprisingly, this attracted the real thing into their lives.

I see it over and over. I'll be at the bar and I'll see guys force themselves to approach and oftentimes get nowhere. All those guys need to do is either visualize having women or do NG to get rid of all the creepiness and neediness.

The only time that doesn't work is if they have a ton of limiting beliefs, in which case they can just use NG which will break down those barriers. Or tapping. I use both. Smile
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01-20-2017, 04:42 PM (This post was last modified: 01-20-2017 05:00 PM by CatMan.)
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RE: NG: The Solution to your Women Issues
I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.
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