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Masculine Principles
02-11-2018, 01:36 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2018 05:44 PM by AbundanceCH.)
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(02-09-2018 10:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  I'm just saying I don't think everything he says is "the only way it works".
True but you have to ask yourself what kind of man you want to become?

Do you want to be a man that goes around chasing women and being their friend and all that bull***** so one day maybe fk them?? Or do you want to be an alpha that's main purpose is his goals and has women chasing him? No goofy/friend bull**** just one or two dates and straight to sex?

Since this thread is about masculine principles we have learned from different teachers here are mine from Alpha Male Strategies. Some of the ones I remember.

MASCULINE PRINCIPLES (from alpha male strategies youtube channel)

1. Stay in your masculine frame: Don't act goofy, childish, silly, jokester and all that bs with women (and people in general) this is feminine energy. The more you do this stuff the more women will begin to sh** test you and people in general frankly because they will sense your feminine energy and will want to test out your masculinity. Stay in your masculine frame.

The above really hit home. My own personal self growth involved a lot of people disrespecting me (I know you can relate to this Sarge from reading your posts). At the time I didn't know that it was me attracting all this by the way I acted and the energy i put out. I managed to correct this and my life really changed and so did my success with women.

And what most men don't understand is that women are hardwired to sh** test men. It's not that they hate you or are disrespecting you on purpose (many times they are) it's just a subconscious reaction that they can't even control most of the time! I really started analyzing the stuff I said and I realized why they were testing me and it was just me getting out of my masculine frame.

Does this mean you have to act all serious like a robot like the terminator? NO!

How to Maintain a Masculine Frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23s3SqrNpmQ

Being Masculine Makes You Boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_awEGStnshA

Are You Always This Serious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TILbeG_VUP0

2. Don't validate women:
The quickest way to lose a woman is to validate her (and when you do it early it's a deathnail). Women are hardwired from the cavemen days to chase men. They used to chase the alphas in their group for protection and to carry on their genes through having children. The minute you validate a woman you are chasing her in her eyes and you are seen as a nice guy rather than the alpha she wants to chase.

And I know this sucks for a lot of guys you wish you could just tell a woman how beautiful and special she is but frankly due to the feminist movement and just the way women are hardwired this will make you seem like a b**** to a woman. Women want a man they have to chase and who they are never certain of where he stands.

How to get a woman you’re dating to respect you at all times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2haERtwvPxg

Ways You Validate Women (what not to do)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYJ5fUche-U

How To Avoid Giving Women Validation When They’re Asking For It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Wrh_s1nKY

3. Focus on your purpose:
Women should be 4th or 5th on your priority list. First on your list should be your purpose which is your goals, money etc. The reason most men become needy is because they are following women rather than their purpose. If you're working a lot of hours per week building your empire that in itself will keep you from being needy as your that will be your fuel rather than the love of a woman. And women will respect you and want you more for not making them your priority.

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02-12-2018, 08:12 AM
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RE: Masculine Principles
This is some good shit man, seriously. Thanks for posting this.

Got any book recommendations?

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02-12-2018, 09:17 AM
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02-12-2018, 07:48 PM
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RE: Masculine Principles
Abundance (and anyone else)

Shannon just outlined my methodology in the main discussion thread, here are some quotes

"The key is, PUA is aiming at getting you laid, and the methods work on women who are either trying to get laid or who are damaged."

"What I am doing is what healthy women are seeking, and what healthy women want and need."

"Unless they are high value, high self esteem, mentally and emotionally mature and genuinely valuable women, in which case they will see your games a mile away and always respond by either ***** you for some other reason and then leaving, or shut you down."

"You can do things my way, or you can do things the PUA way. Pick one, because you can't have it both ways. They are mutually exclusive methods. Unless you consider what I do some sort of "blunt truth game". But I don't play games. I explain the situation,l what I am willing to do and deal with, let them get to know me without needing anything from them and let them decide what they want."

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02-12-2018, 09:23 PM
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Everything is a game man.

Trust me, from doing sales I know: Some things just "work" and some things just don't.

It don't matter how "up front" you are. If you don't capture people's attention, it falls on deaf ears. So, to succeed, you have to play the "game".

I really recommend watching Dr. Jordan Peterson, he talks about that a lot.

Even being "up front" and "telling it like it is" is simply a frame Shannon is playing within. Whether he knows it or not.

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02-13-2018, 03:13 PM
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I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.
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02-13-2018, 05:57 PM
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(02-13-2018 03:13 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.

I was more talking against the idea that "not using PUA" works magically. Of which I do have 24 years experience.

24 years "just being me" didn't get me laid, so yes, I can say for a fact that it "doesn't work".

From there, I can say that in sales, having a "technique" works better than "just being yourself" in which case I am assuming that it is very likely that having a technique with women will work as well.

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02-17-2018, 10:08 AM
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(02-13-2018 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:13 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.

I was more talking against the idea that "not using PUA" works magically. Of which I do have 24 years experience.

24 years "just being me" didn't get me laid, so yes, I can say for a fact that it "doesn't work".

From there, I can say that in sales, having a "technique" works better than "just being yourself" in which case I am assuming that it is very likely that having a technique with women will work as well.

I think being yourself is terrible advice.

BEING YOUR BEST SELF is the best way forward and that is for anything from women to work to play.

Pua material works, but it hasnt worked for you. It must work since PUAs get laid and their protege's and students get laid too but here it where I think it works...

it works on those girls that are below your level, as long as you have groomed and worked on all your other failings.

I think it also works on girls looking to get hitched or get attention or eager to get some level of romance.

PUA is a technique that works on women but which technique of all the PUA or rather what way works for each of us is where it gets awkward.

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02-17-2018, 05:19 PM (This post was last modified: 02-17-2018 05:23 PM by Frosted.)
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(02-17-2018 10:08 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:13 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.

I was more talking against the idea that "not using PUA" works magically. Of which I do have 24 years experience.

24 years "just being me" didn't get me laid, so yes, I can say for a fact that it "doesn't work".

From there, I can say that in sales, having a "technique" works better than "just being yourself" in which case I am assuming that it is very likely that having a technique with women will work as well.

I think being yourself is terrible advice.

BEING YOUR BEST SELF is the best way forward and that is for anything from women to work to play.

Pua material works, but it hasnt worked for you. It must work since PUAs get laid and their protege's and students get laid too but here it where I think it works...

it works on those girls that are below your level, as long as you have groomed and worked on all your other failings.

I think it also works on girls looking to get hitched or get attention or eager to get some level of romance.

PUA is a technique that works on women but which technique of all the PUA or rather what way works for each of us is where it gets awkward.

I think I remember hearing the best self thing from Tyler. Are you an RSD fan? Being yourself works when you are awesome. So I think working on yourself and being yourself is more preferable to being a piece of shit who tricks women or uses techniques to feel less of a piece of shit or covering up your shittiness to get women.

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02-17-2018, 06:54 PM
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RE: Masculine Principles
(02-17-2018 05:19 PM)Frosted Wrote:  
(02-17-2018 10:08 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:13 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.

I was more talking against the idea that "not using PUA" works magically. Of which I do have 24 years experience.

24 years "just being me" didn't get me laid, so yes, I can say for a fact that it "doesn't work".

From there, I can say that in sales, having a "technique" works better than "just being yourself" in which case I am assuming that it is very likely that having a technique with women will work as well.

I think being yourself is terrible advice.

BEING YOUR BEST SELF is the best way forward and that is for anything from women to work to play.

Pua material works, but it hasnt worked for you. It must work since PUAs get laid and their protege's and students get laid too but here it where I think it works...

it works on those girls that are below your level, as long as you have groomed and worked on all your other failings.

I think it also works on girls looking to get hitched or get attention or eager to get some level of romance.

PUA is a technique that works on women but which technique of all the PUA or rather what way works for each of us is where it gets awkward.

I think I remember hearing the best self thing from Tyler. Are you an RSD fan? Being yourself works when you are awesome. So I think working on yourself and being yourself is more preferable to being a piece of shit who tricks women or uses techniques to feel less of a piece of shit or covering up your shittiness to get women.

Tyler said that too?

No im not an RSD fan at all, I couldnt get past the way Tyler shitted on Mystery in the Game and tbh think the guy is way too much of a douche like that villain in the incredibles or like the character of Philip Seymour Hoffman in Patch Adams lol

Yes I agree being yourself works when you are awesome but even then you will have a better self. Actually wait I think I know who said this, the best self was from Style (Neil Strauss) I think. I cant be sure cos if used it for years but I totally agree with it.

I absolutely agree being a shit and tricking women may get you laid but nothing more and tbh there comes a time when you want more than just lays.

I always believe that being the best self you can in a situation is how men are normally when they try to chat to a girl, but if you havent sharpened the saw (Steven Covey) for that best self then it may be the best you have but still not good enough if that makes sense.

I feel its better to learn, sharpen the saw but focus on yourself and in time the right person will come along.

Now a days a more a proponent of other gurus tbh, but havent been into the PUA material for a couple of years. I read the theory but never had time to go out to practise so what I use is just my natural wit, charm and ability to speak on the spot....but I realised that unless I work on my image then its not worked for me - looks count but its the overall physique and grooming rather than how babyfaced pretty we all are I think, but this is how I make myself feel better rather than focusing on the downside of life haha

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02-17-2018, 11:55 PM
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It's not about "tricking" women. I honestly don't know where anyone gets that from.

You can use PUA techniques without tricking women. Negs, for example, are easy: just pick something about her that isn't perfect. There's no trick there, you're just bringing something to light.

Anyhow I've been through this with guys before. Most guys are at a novice level of sales understanding and I really do see pick up as just an extension of sales in that I am the product. So I just have to find the right way to communicate.

Why do some sales people sell a TON of product while other salesmen at the same company sell nothing? Is it because the super successful guys "trick" customers? No, because then they wouldn't be successful for very long.

So it's the exact same product but it's just different "techniques". Pick up is the same. So long as your product is good, you just have to learn how to sell it.

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