Post Reply 
Disney Star Wars
12-27-2016, 06:51 PM
Post: #21
RE: Disney Star Wars
Millennials haven't yet proven themselves to have sound decision making on the whole. Occupy Wall Street is a great example of that, a bunch of millennials camping out in protest pretending they actually know what they're protesting and why and that they have a constructive and viable solution when they could have been doing something productive instead.

Kylo Ren is very much an accurate portrayal of millennials so far.

A Better Alex (ISTJ): EPRHAASC → …
A Sexy Alex (ESTJ-T): BIABWS+DAOSDMSI → …
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like apollolux's post:
RTBoss, SargeMaximus
12-27-2016, 08:06 PM
Post: #22
RE: Disney Star Wars
(12-27-2016 06:51 PM)apollolux Wrote:  Millennials haven't yet proven themselves to have sound decision making on the whole. Occupy Wall Street is a great example of that, a bunch of millennials camping out in protest pretending they actually know what they're protesting and why and that they have a constructive and viable solution when they could have been doing something productive instead.

Kylo Ren is very much an accurate portrayal of millennials so far.

Never thought of that. Very interesting...

"We are incapable of designing and building a mosquito, let alone all the species and most of the other things in the universe. So I start from the premise that nature is smarter than I am and try to let nature teach me how reality works." - Ray Dalio
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-27-2016, 09:29 PM (This post was last modified: 12-27-2016 09:30 PM by Life.)
Post: #23
RE: Disney Star Wars
That's a bit of a generalization don't ya think? I'm a millennial, what am I supposed to think about that post?

Some clarification just so that we're on the same page.

It's true at some times I feel more powerful than the men 20 years my elder. I don't think it's about not working hard enough for what we want but the shame that is dumped on others when our belief for what is deserved is so strong. That doesn't sound perfect I know but there's a power struggle between our independence and equality to our predecessors ego.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Life's post:
apollolux, SargeMaximus
12-27-2016, 10:04 PM
Post: #24
RE: Disney Star Wars
(12-27-2016 09:29 PM)James Bond Wrote:  That's a bit of a generalization don't ya think? I'm a millennial, what am I supposed to think about that post?

Some clarification just so that we're on the same page.

It's true at some times I feel more powerful than the men 20 years my elder. I don't think it's about not working hard enough for what we want but the shame that is dumped on others when our belief for what is deserved is so strong. That doesn't sound perfect I know but there's a power struggle between our independence and equality to our predecessors ego.

So true. I experienced that a LOT in sales. Older men seem to believe they deserve more respect than they give out.

However, younger guys would be wise to learn from those who came before them and have overcome many of life's challenges.

"We are incapable of designing and building a mosquito, let alone all the species and most of the other things in the universe. So I start from the premise that nature is smarter than I am and try to let nature teach me how reality works." - Ray Dalio
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes SargeMaximus's post:
Life
12-27-2016, 10:20 PM
Post: #25
RE: Disney Star Wars
There are exceptions of course. As long as one is willing to become better and makes legitimate effort towards that end then I would easily consider that person respectable.

The generalization of "the millennial" that I described is a general apathy towards constructs currently in existence (usually in America or other similarly "first-world" regions) but that apathy also extends to willingness to do something constructive to improve that since you've likely been taught one way or another that it's not worth fighting. It's not necessarily the fault of millennials that it's reached that point, it's been spiraling downward since the baby boomer era.

Baby boomers were the first generation to have "modern amenities" in abundance like electric appliances and particularly televisions, and the first generation born since the introduction of the social security to actually age into receiving its benefits. The monetary inflation that happened as baby boomers grew up likely became a major contributing factor in the reduction of the practicality of the idea that "harder working = more successful," and that almost certainly increased perpetuation of apathy against such. "Generation X" tried to respond with "rebellion" but then their "plight" was co-opted by and repurposed into pop media. "Generation Y" was seen as a copycat of Generation X and, not coincidentally, it was during this period when cookie-cutter media like Britney Spears and 98 Degrees started to be produced and consumed en masse.

Each generation has seen more people become strictly consumers and fewer become producers. Producers currently hold the power, and so far on a large scale that hasn't yet been millennials.

A Better Alex (ISTJ): EPRHAASC → …
A Sexy Alex (ESTJ-T): BIABWS+DAOSDMSI → …
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-27-2016, 10:46 PM
Post: #26
RE: Disney Star Wars
I agree but like what sarge said we're forced to swallow our opinions and learn from elders as if the past is more right then the present or future. I appear ignorant because I have no doubt the future will be better while people that criticize seem to be trying to recreate "the good old days".

This entire frame feels passive and real change only occurs when people are dominated just like we would like our subliminal results to dominate our lives.

Maybe it's similar to the David vs Goliath story. I just think it's foolish to think nothing but evolution will come from our future generations. How does thinking anything but that help us now?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Life's post:
SargeMaximus, apollolux
12-27-2016, 11:25 PM
Post: #27
RE: Disney Star Wars
To improve could be based on insecurity or drive. I don't respect a person who would choose indulgence over improvement but with all strategies there has to be a balance of factors for effectiveness. So the question of existence is resistance? As much as I value myself I don't think I could really be valueing life. Mainly because of the term live every moment like it's your last. If that is my belief is the issue with the person living or "watching"
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
03-02-2017, 12:17 PM
Post: #28
RE: Disney Star Wars
While we're waiting for V3.1 to release, I thought I'd share this:





If you've seen Rogue One, liked it or didn't like, you should find this hilarious.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
08-16-2017, 03:06 PM
Post: #29
RE: Disney Star Wars
Well, thought I would talk about this since I've just seen some supposed leaked plot points for "The Las Jedi" movie. Obviously some of these might not be true or they might all be true. Only time will tell but I'm going to give my opinion on them honestly. I'm more likely to believe a couple of leaks these days because I'm starting to notice these days that for big Frachinses (Game of thrones for example, of which the leaks I have seen are turning out to be true) its getting harder and harder for companies to keep these under wraps. Anyway, From what I've seen so far:

- Rey is an incarnation of the first Force user: ugh, think this is just plain stupid and lazy honestly. If though I wouldn't have liked the whole "shes Luke's secret daughter" at least that would have added more drama, interest, and emotional conflicts. Just saying "oh shes op because shes an incarnation of the first force user" just seems like lazy writing to me.

- There will be appearances of Anakin and Yoda's force ghosts and it will be shown that these ghost can be killed: Also really stupid in my opinion.

- Snok will not be finished in this one. He has switched bodies before and is wealthy and well liked in the Galaxy. There will be a cliff hanger at the end of the Luke vs Snok fight: ugh, conflicted on this one though leaning toward this is kind of stupid. The switching bodies part has been done before which confirms they are just ripping off parts of the expanded universe which Disney "claimed" was not cannon. If anyone had read those books they would see that Disney essentially claimed the books weren't cannon anymore then in the movie just mixed in certain plot points from the books in with rehashed plot points from the original movies. Not very creative in my opinion. Many may not know but when Palpatine died in the Return of the Jedi in the books he actually transferred over to a clone body he had on stand by. So essentially if this is true they are once again just ripping off the books they claim that aren't cannon. As for the more detail on Snok, kind of doesn't sit well with me.Your going to have a villain who is well liked all around the galaxy which doesn't make sense to me. I mean palpatine was better in that he was wealthy and powerful but not well like which went better with the idea of a villain in my opinion. Not much to say on the cliffhanger but I swear if they kill off Luke Disney will just have burned the franchise.

- Lukes says that after the Sith are done with and balance is restored they will end the Jedi order: Honestly, this idea I find actually pretty interesting. Instead of continuing the order afterwards and eventually having someone fall to the dark side to start the cycle all over again. Luke would rather just end the whole cycle of both the Jedi and the Sith. I think this one is more than likely true given to some trailers I have seen.

- Luke says that She will become even more powerful than Yoda:... ummm no thanks. So we have her first be a reincarnation of the first force user then becoming even more powerful , with little training, than someone who lived well into his 900's.

- Luke has Rey fight a creature with hostile intent and very attuned with the force. Once she beats it it turns into the force ghost of Anakin: eh, honestly feels like they kind of just ripped off when Luke faced that apparition of Vader in the cave in the empire strikes back. At least that one had a little bit more significance in that you saw Lukes face underneath the helmet and you wondered why that happened. From this one who knows maybe there will be just enough difference so its not out right plagiarizing but I'm not having high hopes honestly.

As for the rest of the stuff it was not very interesting what I saw. It looks like this is just going to be a nostalgia fest/rip off the empire strikes back. Rey/Luke training (Yoda/Luke training), and Fin/Leia/Poe on the run from the first order (Leia/han/Chewie on the run from the empire). If this all turns out to be true I really have to wonder whats going on with Hollywood at this point. Its seems like all they can do is remakes/reboots of the previous franchises and just fill them with a bunch of nostalgia and call backs but nothing really original or creative. They wonder why a lot of these movies are starting to loose money.

[Image: 13998003579042.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
08-17-2017, 04:50 PM
Post: #30
RE: Disney Star Wars
The last Jedi is a movie about coming out of duality and going the path of the Dao which is the middle path. The Sith is the Left Hand Path of God while the Jedi are the Right hand. Balance is in taking the middle path.

E2 Days in All: 606 Days

UD Start Date: November 1st, 2017

INTJ 4w5
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-12-2017, 05:59 PM
Post: #31
RE: Disney Star Wars
Well, thought I would post this hear. Decided to look up some of the spoilers for "The Last Jedi" . Won't mention anything obviously but If what I have read is true, since some critics/others have watched early viewings of it, then I probably won't go to see this. You guys can probably find the spoilers on youtube if you want if you want to know what I'm talking about but all I can say is this is horrible, horrible writing. At this point I will not even go to see the 9th movie because from my perspective there is no way they can salvage this.

With that out of the way I will mention, with warning, one spoiler that pertains to Rey's parents because I think that was something people who enjoyed the character would always fall back on when people would accuse Rey of being a Mary Sue. From what I have read there is nothing in that area. Literally, you find out that her parents are nothing but Junk scavangers. In other words, theres no shes the secret daughter of look Skywalker or she use to be a trainee at the Jedi acadamy who got her mind wiped by look. She is a nobody with nobody parents. Only thing she has is that she is strong in the force which as I pointed out, and was pointed out in some of the movies, does not mean you can automatically go out without training and kick other peoples Asses. This was shown in the previous movies and in written characters (Revan, Bane, Kreia, other female force users, etc). So, the excuse of "well we don't know her background" doesn't hold any weight anymore. She is just an example of a badly written character.

Also, as a side note the actress who plays Rey after a year of the Mary Sue alegations actually responded and it was just plain bad:

"The Mary Sue thing in itself is Sexist because it's the name of a woman", Ridley said.

smh... if you want to see more about it you guys can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN5ATlAnVXk

Anyway, "if" these spoilers based on reviews turn out to be true I am defintely not going to go watch this film or the next one. Looks like whoever at Disney is doing a horrible job with managing this franchise and even going against rules previous established in the other movies. I really hope this is all wrong (including all the other spoilers) but if not Star Wars is dead to me now.

[Image: 13998003579042.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-12-2017, 06:48 PM
Post: #32
RE: Disney Star Wars
Dude the movie drops in one day. Why spoil it for yourself?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-12-2017, 07:14 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017 01:22 PM by DarthXedonias.)
Post: #33
RE: Disney Star Wars
(12-12-2017 06:48 PM)Determined Wrote:  Dude the movie drops in one day. Why spoil it for yourself?

Quite simple really, I didn't like the first movie therefore I wanted to see if they did anything that would make sense of any of the problems in the first movie. Since they didn't that saves me the time and money. Now I know I don't want to watch this movie therefore I don't have to spend money on it. Though I do realize now that if I want to critiqued since I have certain duties at the movie theater I work at I can easily see it for free if I want. I might just do that to burn time and confirm what I suspect.

[Image: 13998003579042.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-12-2017, 08:32 PM
Post: #34
RE: Disney Star Wars
Its like $15 and good entertainment. Just take a friend and enjoy. No need to critique anything
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-13-2017, 04:52 PM
Post: #35
RE: Disney Star Wars
And no need to break our rules by advocating piracy in, post 33...

Subliminal Audio Specialist & Administrator

The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-15-2017, 07:10 AM
Post: #36
RE: Disney Star Wars
Saw The Last Jedi last night.

To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.

I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.

Subliminal Audio Specialist & Administrator

The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Shannon's post:
kalmah0804, DarthXedonias, Benjamin
12-15-2017, 12:18 PM
Post: #37
RE: Disney Star Wars
I was done with Star Wars after Rogue One. Say what you want about the Prequels, at least they introduced new ideas and cool new things. Lucas took Star Wars and tried to do something bold and original with it, same as he did with the originals. He failed miserably--but at least he tried.

I can't take anymore of these shitty Disney blockbuster flicks. The marvel films, the star wars films, they're all the ucking same. They all have the same shitty mediocre character archetypes and the same "wink-wink" kind of attitude, where like they know they're all in a retarded fantasy story and are just there to joke around and have a good time.

I love the ability for big blockbusters to both blow people away with sheer excitement but also have real impact on people's emotions and lives. Rogue One was so cringey I actually had to leave the theater halfway throguh, and Episode 7 was about as entertaining or interesting or exciting as a plastic spoon. I've no interest in seeing Episode 8 but assume I probably will have to at some point since it's sort of a huge part of my job to stay current with big movies, and this is kind of the biggest of big movies going around right now. I used to be such a diehard Star Wars fan, and now, sadly, all these big-budget blockbuster films are the damned same. With Disney's acquisition of Fox, we can expect to see only more and more dumbing down of great franchises and movies all across the board.

Disney forgets the reason why the first Star Wars trilogy changed the world was because it was so revolutionary as a film for its time that literally NOBODY wanted to buy it. George Lucas self-funded it entirely with a PRIVATE loan from some of his Fox buddies... and that's why he's the richest filmmaker of all time--because he owned the rights to EVERYTHING, including the merchandising. But he made a successful franchise by being bold and original. Same with Spielberg. When he made Jaws, nobody had made a movie that blended together that kind of visceral jaw-dropping seat-gripping entertainment with the same level of intellectual and philosophical prowess as old Shakesperean plays--all the iconic movies of the past, from Jaws to Star Wars to Blade Runner to The Matrix to the LOTR trilogy and the Dark Knight trilogy, Inception, and so on and so forth, have blended entertainment with art--but now, in blockbusters, becuase of the Disney monopoly, we *only* have the option of seeing "fun".

It makes me very mad and frustrated very easily, unfortunately, because as a screenwriter, and a huge nerd, it was my dream to make deeply powerful blockbuster movies in the vein of Nolan, Lucas and Spielberg--but Disney's current stranglehold on the market makes it almost impossible for those dreams to ever come to fruition, now.

Like snowfall, you cry a silent storm
Your tears paint rivers on this oaken wall. . .


-- Agalloch, The Mantle
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-15-2017, 01:20 PM
Post: #38
RE: Disney Star Wars
(12-15-2017 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:  Saw The Last Jedi last night.

To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.

I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.

Yeah, sorry for the break in the rules and I will change that post when I can. Though I am glad that my suspicious were not unfounded based on what early review spoilers were saying. Ugh, either way I think I'm done as well. I used to be a hardcore star wars fan to the point of even reading the books in the expanded universe. Granted when it got to a certain point in the book series I stopped reading because it took a unbelievable turn but even then I overall liked about 95% of the overall written cannon material. I would have given episode 8 a chance even though after 7 I really shouldn't have (for just blatantly ripping off concepts from the original and mixing it with the expanded universe that they said was not cannon anymore). After all this I just feel like this cinematic universe is dead.

Kalmah- Those are pretty much my thoughts as well. My thing towards the Marvel movies was slightly different. I watched a lot of the older Marvel films before the first avengers though a lot of those were already turning pretty bad (Iron man 2 and 3 come to mind). What started to stand out to me, especially after Avengers was that Disney was using a formula for there movies a lot after they had that major hit. I slowly I noticed this formula especially since it involved a lot of one liners and other things. By the time the 2nd avengers came out I was annoyed with this formula. The 2nd avengers movie to me wasn't a bad movie or a good movie overall. I think that was a problem because it just had more of the same from the first avengers movie. So I guess from a creative point it was bad. Even the last thor movie, which thankfully I also got to see for free since I work at a movie theater, it didn't even feel like Thor. Thor use to be the character that was more serious and had the at least amount of funny moment yet in the last one there were funny one liners left and right which made no sense to me. The only marvel movies that I accept from being too bad now are the captain America ones but I think thats because his movies constantly have this idea of "am I doing the right thing?" which necessitates that there be at least be some character growth to a certain degree. His are the only ones that have consistently gotten better than the last while the others have either gone downward (Iron man series) or just bleh (Thor series).

One last thing, don't know if you agree but one of the things that motivated me towards a cinema degree was that I was getting tired of all the sequels and remakes Hollywood is making. It really shows a lack of creativity and also that such film industries aren't taking any risks and just playing it safe by trying to revamp old series, usually with bad results because of implementing SJW type in the movies (Star Wars, Ghost Busters, etc).

[Image: 13998003579042.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-15-2017, 03:12 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017 03:15 PM by Benjamin.)
Post: #39
RE: Disney Star Wars
Quote:To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.

I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.

That's exactly why I was about to comment "What's disney star wars?" because after reading that about it i've had very little interest watching any of the new ones.

From what I read it's kind of like..

Old star wars movies - Luke has to earn and work for his powers.

New ones - I'm a strong independent woman who because of that I magicallly instantly have these powers instantly without having to work for it. And I can effortlessly beat up full grown men, which isn't possible in reality despite the delusions of alot of women these days.

Farewell Star Wars. Though a watch of the old ones would be good, haven't seen them for a few years.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
12-15-2017, 03:33 PM
Post: #40
RE: Disney Star Wars
(12-15-2017 03:12 PM)Benjamin Wrote:  
Quote:To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.

I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.

That's exactly why I was about to comment "What's disney star wars?" because after reading that about it i've had very little interest watching any of the new ones.

From what I read it's kind of like..

Old star wars movies - Luke has to earn and work for his powers.

New ones - I'm a strong independent woman who because of that I magicallly instantly have these powers instantly without having to work for it. And I can effortlessly beat up full grown men, which isn't possible in reality despite the delusions of alot of women these days.

Farewell Star Wars. Though a watch of the old ones would be good, haven't seen them for a few years.

That was one of the things that really, really made me want to walk away from this. Its literally stated in the books and established in the old movies that you can be "strong" in the force but you need training to really utilize it and have it obey your will on command. Look what happened in the old series. Luke goes to face Vader before hes properly trained and looses a hand because it. In the prequels Anakin faced Dooku before he was ready and lost an arm. Despite all this Rey thought the force/Jedi were a myth then after a few hours of finding out its real is doing mind tricks and kicking the butt of someone who has had years of training. People try to say "oh, but he was wounded" but if you had read any of the books you've had people at Kylo's level get wounded for worst and they still beat opponents that were even more trained than Rey.

The only Thing they could fall back on after that was that we don't know her background and that maybe her parentage has something to do with that. Even though we have already established that despite that you still need training which the movies and books have kept on saying for a long time now. Now those people can't even fall on that because we found out that her parents were nobody scavengers with nothing special about them. In other words she is a Mary Sue. Shes strong simply because of if you try to have a woman who has weakness then works her way up to being strong all the feminist cry about how you are sexist despite the fact that Being a Mary sue destroys the chance for character development. Theres a reason why people staying away from making a character a Mary or Gary Sue off the bat because it ruins part of the story and destroys character development.

[Image: 13998003579042.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes DarthXedonias's post:
Benjamin
Post Reply 


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Subliminals in Advertising , Disney and Illuminaty Conspiracy Survivor 5 1,150 12-18-2015 10:15 PM
Last Post: Alpha360
  Guild Wars 2 woceyes 7 2,114 09-06-2012 05:43 PM
Last Post: woceyes

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread:
1 Guest(s)

Return to TopReturn to Content