Martial Arts

[smash]

hello partypeople,

a subliminal especially for martial arts would be fine. Content could be "switch killer instinct on by will", release fear of being hit, being able to throw hard punches ...

// smash

[Spiral]

My solid suggestion is use the ASC.subliminal for a while and or that fear subliminal) and just start telling yourself "I know I stick up for myself and give a beating to anyone who deserves it." I'm sure there's a better way to rephrase that but something like that seems like it would really do the trick.

[smash]

I implemented ASC.in my playlist in addition to AoS. Thanks to you spiral, that could do the trick, too.

[Ryan]

I'm sure Alpha Male will really help with that as well

[Andrew]

(07-16-2010 04:36 PM)Ryan Wrote:  I'm sure Alpha Male will really help with that as well

I have about 10 years of solid martial experience. This is definitely on my que to make with Shannon down the road. It would likely be split into two martial arts enhancement subs as a one-for-all would not be as effective: one for the more formless/intuitive styles (say Aikido, different types of Kung Fu, etc) and one for very technical/rapid response programming based arts (Wing Chun, BJJ, KajuKenbo, Hapkido, etc).

[Shannon]

when you're ready, Andrew, let's do it.

[Andrew]

(09-10-2010 04:10 PM)Shannon Wrote:  when you're ready, Andrew, let's do it.

We'll begin on this two-type title when I'm done finishing the current round of changes for the forum/site.

[Majordomus]

Count me in in being a customer and a supporter for that one.
Sometimes it might boil down to this and I like being ready.

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(09-14-2010 10:56 AM)Majordomus Wrote:  Count me in in being a customer and a supporter for that one.
Sometimes it might boil down to this and I like being ready.

By the way, in my experience, street fights (if I do not count drunk guys who cannot hold their piss together, not to mention anything else) often end on the ground and they get very close to the UFC thing.
So apart from technical divisions into style, it might be great if the subliminal instilled some healthy core beliefs of the type: "When under attack, I go decisively for victory" and "I find the easiest path to victory" "I amass enough energy to surpass my opponent's" or stuff like that which will also work to shift your adrenaline wave from flight to fight.
I have yet so see a fight like that, where the winner would not be more brutal, decisive, spatial genius.
Something like Garcias family. I am sure they anticipate their opponents movements a lot too.
Just a suggestion, guys, I am really looking forward to this one.

[Ryan]

Is this gearing towards a self-defense/stand-up for yourself sub or a sub to help a person who is currently involved in martial arts? Mainly, would this be at all beneficial to those who are not doing martial arts?

[Andrew]

(09-14-2010 01:42 PM)Ryan Wrote:  Is this gearing towards a self-defense/stand-up for yourself sub or a sub to help a person who is currently involved in martial arts? Mainly, would this be at all beneficial to those who are not doing martial arts?

This will be for a person in martial arts. Also we have no current plans for any UFC sport-fighting type of subliminal although you guys are welcome to request that separately as a sport product. I'm not going to start an argument here, but UFC is not martial arts, it's a sport. I don't see it having really any use for someone outside of martial arts.

[Majordomus]

(09-14-2010 06:06 PM)Andrew Wrote:  

(09-14-2010 01:42 PM)Ryan Wrote:  Is this gearing towards a self-defense/stand-up for yourself sub or a sub to help a person who is currently involved in martial arts? Mainly, would this be at all beneficial to those who are not doing martial arts?

This will be for a person in martial arts. Also we have no current plans for any UFC sport-fighting type of subliminal although you guys are welcome to request that separately as a sport product. I'm not going to start an argument here, but UFC is not martial arts, it's a sport. I don't see it having really any use for someone outside of martial arts.

Yeah, you are right, UFC is NOT a martial art, I was rather thinking along the lines of having some program that addresses the issue of self-defense most effectively.
Including threat-response patterns, physical coping with variety of situations, etc.
But since your response in these situations, given the speed with which they often happen, often boil down to your core beliefs anyway, I think that Overcome The Victim Mentality will put a solid foundation for that too.

[rommel]

Will this sub help muay thai practioniers? Because i don't know if you could call it only a sport.

[Elusive]

It would be great if it can help one to use techniques, from the specific art, on reflexes, without to much thinking.

[benjamin]

I actually started typing up something for this thread. And after typing quite a bit and having much more, I think to get this subliminal in the right place for what I want, reality based self defense type stuff, it would be quite a bit project. I know alot of things from my experience from working security but communicating it is harder.

I have got better at it because I do teach this stuff, but if I typed up everything it would be a very huge post and Shannon would be scared to read it because of the size. I even think it would be way too much for one stage for what I think is needed for real self defense from my experience.

I have saved what I wrote incase I decide to keep writing it.

My views on this stuff are alot different than most people, from my own experience and learning from people who have also 'been there' and some of my opinions aren't popular.

But if it is going ahead and my input is wanted, I can continue with what I was writing.

The challenge I see is Shannon has experience making subliminals, but no experience in this actual area of self defense. And I and other people have experience but no idea how to word subliminals and their effect.

I hope what I have said makes some sense.

-Ben

[Andrew]

(03-01-2011 07:19 AM)benjamin Wrote:  I actually started typing up something for this thread. And after typing quite a bit and having much more, I think to get this subliminal in the right place for what I want, reality based self defense type stuff, it would be quite a bit project. I know alot of things from my experience from working security but communicating it is harder.

I have got better at it because I do teach this stuff, but if I typed up everything it would be a very huge post and Shannon would be scared to read it because of the size. I even think it would be way too much for one stage for what I think is needed for real self defense from my experience.

I have saved what I wrote incase I decide to keep writing it.

My views on this stuff are alot different than most people, from my own experience and learning from people who have also 'been there' and some of my opinions aren't popular.

But if it is going ahead and my input is wanted, I can continue with what I was writing.

The challenge I see is Shannon has experience making subliminals, but no experience in this actual area of self defense. And I and other people have experience but no idea how to word subliminals and their effect.

I hope what I have said makes some sense.

-Ben

Go for it

[About]

I'm in wing chun right now. I just wanted to post some things which i think would help for the ""technical/rapid response" version of the martial arts sub.

Something like,
I now consciously allow any part of my body to be relaxed

There's the vertical punch in wing chun, and you must be relaxed while you project your fist. Basically you are doing an uncommitted attack because if you aim for the face and they block it, you do not compromise your center or your balance because your punches are relaxed.

Something else like
I now always remain centered in my stance when needed
or
While training or using my martial art, i will always remain in my training stance

Basically, we have a horse stance in wc. sometimes I find myself slouching, or rather not putting my weight in my horse and therefore compromise my center. I can get knocked over easier and i also cannot generate as much power as if i were fully grounded in my horse.

Also last one for now: something which addresses motivation and enjoyment, as well as a regular practice schedule for the martial art. I was told that I need to do about 10 hours of kung fu a week, with the 2 classes a week that's probably about 4 hours total for me, but the other 6 I sometimes (most of the times unfortunately) don't even bother.

There are a few more, i'll post them since I know there's a long list of other subs which need to be upgraded. I'm just someone interested in this type of sub.

[Andrew]

I've done quite a bit of WC as well. Not sure I agree with the words you chose to describe some things-like horse stance (did horse stance in kajukenbo as a beginner doing karate forms and that is nowhere found in WC) but I'm sure we're thinking of the same thing.

I agree about the relaxation, it's so hard to teach that to new guys, especially when they see my large muscles. Since you're going through the WC training, I found this useful-especially being a personal trainer etc never use chain punches as exercise. It won't make you faster and it will make your punches weaker. Stick to plyometrics and weights. If you look up Professor Kernspecht he is of the same opinion, and vehemently disagrees with leung ting in the WT branch. From experience and as a hobby scientist I agree completely with kernspecht.

http://www.realisticselfdefense.net/kernspecht.html

Also if you look at victor guiterrez, he is very very muscular and moves very quickly with much ease. The first half of this video is nonsense+in class work but when they are outside you get to see him really move.

(04-15-2011 02:39 PM)About Wrote:  I'm in wing chun right now. I just wanted to post some things which i think would help for the ""technical/rapid response" version of the martial arts sub.

Something like,
I now consciously allow any part of my body to be relaxed

There's the vertical punch in wing chun, and you must be relaxed while you project your fist. Basically you are doing an uncommitted attack because if you aim for the face and they block it, you do not compromise your center or your balance because your punches are relaxed.

Something else like
I now always remain centered in my stance when needed
or
While training or using my martial art, i will always remain in my training stance

Basically, we have a horse stance in wc. sometimes I find myself slouching, or rather not putting my weight in my horse and therefore compromise my center. I can get knocked over easier and i also cannot generate as much power as if i were fully grounded in my horse.

Also last one for now: something which addresses motivation and enjoyment, as well as a regular practice schedule for the martial art. I was told that I need to do about 10 hours of kung fu a week, with the 2 classes a week that's probably about 4 hours total for me, but the other 6 I sometimes (most of the times unfortunately) don't even bother.

There are a few more, i'll post them since I know there's a long list of other subs which need to be upgraded. I'm just someone interested in this type of sub.

[About]

I only had time to briefly read what you said. Ill take time later to reply/read it but right now I'm actually doing a little training. My si tai gong is coming up here to train with us as well and I've only been doing this for 6 months, pretty exciting for me.

This is the school that I am a part of, but in a different area

http://kungfurichmond.com/

I'm not sure if it's called the horse, but that's what we call it in my area.

[Shannon]

That video is very interesting... what he's doing looks a lot like the stuff I was forced to do to hold my own in karate class, being physically smaller than almost everyone else at the time. This has my interest piqued even more in WC.

[About]

This is one of the "proper names" of the stance.

http://www.kwokwingchun.co.uk/the-wing-chun-stance

There's many translations, this is one of them, but we call it horse when we're just talking about it.

Using weights seems to be discouraged in my branch because it interferes with relaxation training. You tense when you should be relaxed. Your mind can handle the difference, but does your body understand?

There is a lot of debate on how people should train. I'm only 6 months in so I'm not the most experienced person to be asking, but what I do know is relaxation and a proper stance is necessary for good kung fu.